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bleeny72 said:
I dislike BC as much as the next guy, but I kind of liked Donahue.

BC is a situation with no chance for most to all coaches right now. He was doing great things at Cornell, especially in a time when Penn and Princeton dominated for 20 years. I wouldn't mind having a great X and O play caller in his vain helping Ollie out at UConn. Donahue never had talent and did not win at BC, but he did beat some team from Canada this year...
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SD was at BC for 4 years. If he "never had talent and did not win at BC", who is at fault for that?

Actually, there is an opportunity here for the right coach.. BC has SEVEN scholarships open up in 2015, so the right coach (who can recruit) can make them relevant again. We shall see.
 
BC basically has 2.5 ACC caliber players. I don't know how much of that blame goes to Donahue (maybe it's all of it), but John Wooden couldn't make the tournament with that roster.
 
freescooter said:
I thought Donahue was a good coach. I never quite got why BC couldn't be at least a sort of mid-level Marylandish-VaTech ish program.
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They have pretty much always been better than VT. Even this year, as nightmarish as it was for BC, they finished ahead of VT in the standings, and beat them comfortably both times they played them.
 
HuskyBballFan said:
BC basically has 2.5 ACC caliber players. I don't know how much of that blame goes to Donahue (maybe it's all of it), but John Wooden couldn't make the tournament with that roster.
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Well, he recruited that team. It is on him, isn' it? He passed on lot of guys who went to to be solid contributors elsewhere.

The fact that BC was one of the worse defensive teams in all of CBB speaks volumes, IMO.
 
Waquoit said:
Making some decent coin, living in Boston, access to all Harvard's resources. That would living the dream to me.
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Exactly my point...
 
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when was BC last actually on the national scene? Not being a dyck, I just can't recall.
 
I can't tell you how disappointed this makes me. BC might now make a serious run at being NIT eligible in the 3-5 years.
 
BC1978 said:
SD was at BC for 4 years. If he "never had talent and did not win at BC", who is at fault for that?

Actually, there is an opportunity here for the right coach.. BC has SEVEN scholarships open up in 2015, so the right coach (who can recruit) can make them relevant again. We shall see.
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Technically BC has 15 open scholarships next year. I don't see where you get 7 though. According to their official website, Rubin is the only senior on the team.

I don't think Donahue got a fair shake. Anyone who coaches at BC does so with 1 hand tied behind his back, given admission standards for basketball (See O'Brien, James). They have Ivy league standards in the ACC. And before you go bringing up Duke, if BC and Duke were going after the same recruit, tell me which one would choice BC? I don't think their coaches are given enough resources to compete.
 
John said:
when was BC last actually on the national scene? Not being a dyck, I just can't recall.
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Jared Dudley years.
 
John said:
when was BC last actually on the national scene? Not being a dyck, I just can't recall.
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Their first year or two in the ACC they were alright.
 
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UConnJim said:
Amaker doesn't make that much at Harvard and BC can pay much more. But, Amaker likes Harvard and he has a life long job if he wants it. Personally, I think Harvard is the better job today, but it doesn't pay that well.
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Harvard can pay Amaker anything they want but I doubt they will. There is plenty of money in Cambridge and they have no problems raising money for anything.
Amaker will be in demand if his success continues and as you said he has become a better coach and recruiter from his early days. BCU would not be a good choice unless it was the hockey coaching job.
 
Husky25 said:
Technically BC has 15 open scholarships next year. I don't see where you get 7 though. According to their official website, Rubin is the only senior on the team.

I don't think Donahue got a fair shake. Anyone who coaches at BC does so with 1 hand tied behind his back, given admission standards for basketball (See O'Brien, James). They have Ivy league standards in the ACC. And before you go bringing up Duke, if BC and Duke were going after the same recruit, tell me which one would choice BC? I don't think their coaches are given enough resources to compete.
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You don't think he got a fair shake? He was there for 4 years!! BC's recruiting standards?? Really? Funny....those standards never prevented BC from getting the Troy Bells, Craig Smith's, and Jared Dudley's of the world! How come SD couldn't follow suit?

Al Skinner won in both the BE and ACC. SD has not. BC has never been an elite program, but for the most part, they have, in most years, been respectable to good. Until now. Under SD, BC now gets schooled by the likes of Harvard, BU, Umass, the College of Charleston!! and Bryant College (yes, Bryant College!!)

SD, by all accounts is a wonderful guy. As a BC basketball coach however, the results tell the story.
 
The problem for Amaker at Harvard is there's a ceiling there, and he's all but hit it. With no athletic scholarships, there's only so many good players he can get. Sure, Harvard has money to pay him, but BC has a good chunk of change at their disposal as well. He can jump into a low-expectation job at BC and pretty much have carte blanche to rebuild the program. If he takes them to the NIT in the next season or two, that would be considered a rousing success considering where they are at this moment, so he'd be under no pressure to do much of anything for a good 2-3 years.
 
Inyatkin said:
Amaker was declared a raging success before he'd done anything at either Seton Hall or Michigan just by virtue of his Duke background. When it came to actual wins, he was sort of meh.
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when has any Duke coach done well outside the bench with the Rat? lets see what Collins does in a few years down the road at NWU - Amaker was not good at either SHU or MU - the Ivy looks to be his limit.
 
BC1978 said:
You don't think he got a fair shake? He was there for 4 years!! BC's recruiting standards?? Really? Funny....those standards never prevented BC from getting the Troy Bells, Craig Smith's, and Jared Dudley's of the world! How come SD couldn't follow suit?

Al Skinner won in both the BE and ACC. SD has not. BC has never been an elite program, but for the most part, they have, in most years, been respectable to good. Until now. Under SD, BC now gets schooled by the likes of Harvard, BU, Umass, the College of Charleston!! and Bryant College (yes, Bryant College!!)

SD, by all accounts is a wonderful guy. As a BC basketball coach however, the results tell the story.
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its recruitment - Skinner was able to get some good ones because he could relate to them
SD can't recruit the same types before at BC- they aren't good enough for the big time (but obviously better than cuse!)
 
brasssbonanzaa said:
The problem for Amaker at Harvard is there's a ceiling there, and he's all but hit it. With no athletic scholarships, there's only so many good players he can get. Sure, Harvard has money to pay him, but BC has a good chunk of change at their disposal as well. He can jump into a low-expectation job at BC and pretty much have carte blanche to rebuild the program. If he takes them to the NIT in the next season or two, that would be considered a rousing success considering where they are at this moment, so he'd be under no pressure to do much of anything for a good 2-3 years.
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That's what Donahue thought he had, especially after his first year. Then Reggie Jackson left and 5 others graduated or transferred. DeFilippo leaving didn't help his cause and neither did Donahue himself with his results this year. I still think he deserved the benefit of 2014-15.
 
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gtcam said:
its recruitment - Skinner was able to get some good ones because he could relate to them
SD can't recruit the same types before at BC- they aren't good enough for the big time (but obviously better than cuse!)
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That's it, gtcam. Skinner (and his staff) could recruit BE/ACC calibre players and it does not appear that SD could. BC will need to find a coach who can recruit. Not rocket science.
 
gtcam said:
when has any Duke coach done well outside the bench with the Rat? lets see what Collins does in a few years down the road at NWU - Amaker was not good at either SHU or MU - the Ivy looks to be his limit.
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Amaker was a fine coach at Seton Hall which led him to Michigan. He made the post season 4 times (1NCAA Sweet 16 with Tim Thomas, 3 NIT) at SHU.
 
Husky25 said:
That's what Donahue thought he had, especially after his first year. Then Reggie Jackson left and 5 others graduated or transferred. DeFilippo leaving didn't help his cause and neither did Donahue himself with his results this year. I still think he deserved the benefit of 2014-15.
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Husky, here is SD's body of work at BC:

2010-11: Overall: 21-13 (incl. 1-1 NIT) ACC: 10-8 (With Al Skinner's players)
2011-12: Overall: 9-12. ACC: 4-13.
2012-13: Overall: 16-17. ACC 8-12.
2013-14: Overall 8-24. ACC 4-13.

Other than the first year with Al Skinner's players, this is not a good record. Add in the many embarrassing losses (Bryant, College of Charleston, BU, etc), not sure how anyone can argue that he deserved another year.

It just didn't work out. The record is pretty telling. What other schools would tolerate that kind of performance?
 
BC1978 said:
You don't think he got a fair shake? He was there for 4 years!! BC's recruiting standards?? Really? Funny....those standards never prevented BC from getting the Troy Bells, Craig Smith's, and Jared Dudley's of the world! How come SD couldn't follow suit?

Al Skinner won in both the BE and ACC. SD has not. BC has never been an elite program, but for the most part, they have, in most years, been respectable to good. Until now. Under SD, BC now gets schooled by the likes of Harvard, BU, Umass, the College of Charleston!! and Bryant College (yes, Bryant College!!)

SD, by all accounts is a wonderful guy. As a BC basketball coach however, the results tell the story.
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You can hang another bad coaching selection on Flipper. An Ivy league coach who recruited Ivy league type players for the ACC. Two years ago the writing was on the wall. Maybe a good Ivy League coach. but didn't have what is needed in the major conferences.
 
BC1978 said:
Husky, here is SD's body of work at BC:

2010-11: Overall: 21-13 (incl. 1-1 NIT) ACC: 10-8 (With Al Skinner's players)
2011-12: Overall: 9-12. ACC: 4-13.
2012-13: Overall: 16-17. ACC 8-12.
2013-14: Overall 8-24. ACC 4-13.

Other than the first year with Al Skinner's players, this is not a good record. Add in the many embarrassing losses (Bryant, College of Charleston, BU, etc), not sure how anyone can argue that he deserved another year.

It just didn't work out. The record is pretty telling. What other schools would tolerate that kind of performance?
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Why did BC regress this year? I thought they were poised to have a solid year.
 
gtcam said:
when has any Duke coach done well outside the bench with the Rat? lets see what Collins does in a few years down the road at NWU - Amaker was not good at either SHU or MU - the Ivy looks to be his limit.
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In my opinion, Amaker has become a much better coach over the years. He is only 48 and has now coached for 17 years. He was young and did decent at Seton Hall. He did OK at Michigan in spite of inherited sanctions. It seems he didn't get a fair shake at Michigan. He is a much better head coach today than he was at Seton Hall and his Harvard team would have been a mid to upper ACC team this year.
 
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