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Indiana, UConn, Baylor. What three schools are the only 3 schools in NCAA history to send text messages from Athletic department cell phones?
 
Dont forget a Baylor assistant also threatened to have a high school kid deported if he did not commit there. A class bunch they have down there in Waco, about as classy as the branch davidians.
 
Scott Drew? Violations? NO!
 
upstater said:
Indiana, UConn, Baylor. What three schools are the only 3 schools in NCAA history to send text messages from Athletic department cell phones?
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No kidding. My only response to these types of stories is "how can you be dumb enough to get caught?"
 
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I'm anxious to see if the penalties are on par with what Calhoun and UConn got. Also, the player UConn called never played a game for us, but Griner is certainly playing for Baylor. Should this matter?
 
dogpause said:
I'm anxious to see if the penalties are on par with what Calhoun and UConn got. Also, the player UConn called never played a game for us, but Griner is certainly playing for Baylor. Should this matter?
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Baylor wasn't calling a booster with connections and the ability to influence the recruit. Their sanctions won't equal ours because there's no Nochimson equivalent here, at least as far as I can tell. I only browsed the article, so I may have missed something.
 
I'm over any violations centered around electronic communications with recruits. They're stupid and unenforcable.

What's more interesting here is the timing of this announcement. Where were the loss of scholarships in '09-'11 if this has been under investigation for 4 years?

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Excalibur said:
Baylor wasn't calling a booster with connections and the ability to influence the recruit. Their sanctions won't equal ours because there's no Nochimson equivalent here, at least as far as I can tell. I only browsed the article, so I may have missed something.
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Is there any doubt once they start poking around more they'll find more egregious acts than impermissible phone calls and texts? Everyone has been wondering how Drew has been recruiting at such a high level and I'm pretty certain it isn't just because of extra phone calls and texts. Just wait.
 
ESPN NCAAB - Baylor sophomore F Perry Jones III (13.5 ppg, 7.6 rpg) announces he will enter 2012 NBA Draft
 
I realize we have had our issues at Uconn, but the whole Baylor athletic department seemed to make a miraculous rise to power in what felt like overnight. We're talking Heisman winners, huge recruiting classes in both men's and women's basketball, including what may be the best women's player in history. My guess is this is all going to come crashing down.
 
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Excalibur said:
Baylor wasn't calling a booster with connections and the ability to influence the recruit. Their sanctions won't equal ours because there's no Nochimson equivalent here, at least as far as I can tell. I only browsed the article, so I may have missed something.
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The booster figured into UConn's probation, no doubt. But that's separate from the calls. It's not illegal to make calls to them. The text messages though went out to players, and that's what UConn was dinged for.

If you read the whole article, the only additional piece of info from Baylor is that the assistant coach tried to actively conspire to obstruct the NCAA investigation by getting people to lie about it. This has a little mixture of Bruce Pearl in here on top of the texting.
 
upstater said:
The booster figured into UConn's probation, no doubt. But that's separate from the calls. It's not illegal to make calls to them. The text messages though went out to players, and that's what UConn was dinged for.

If you read the whole article, the only additional piece of info from Baylor is that the assistant coach tried to actively conspire to obstruct the NCAA investigation by getting people to lie about it. This has a little mixture of Bruce Pearl in here on top of the texting.
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Punishment should be worse than ours, if the NCAA wants to reward cooperation and punish obstructionism.

The real question is why wasn't this a big topic during March madness. Our investigation was on the top of the talking point list of the national media. Why does Baylor, with infractions in both the men's and women's program get a pass?
 
UConnSwag11 said:
http://espn.go.com/college-sports/s...or-bears-teams-facing-possible-ncaa-sanctions
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The ncaa requirements regarding text messageas and telephone calls are just silly. I strongly suspect that virtually every major basketball and football program in the country is out of compliance in some way with these rules.....and that tells you that there is something wrong with the rules......and the ncaa for creating them.

What I still can't figure out is, if the Olympics does tests to make sure that guys are really guys and girls are really girls, how come the ncaa can't.......or won't.....do the same tests? Because if someone, walks, talks, runs, jumps and looks like a guy, well.......you can figure out the rest.
 
I've heard that Baylor was rife with recruiting violations when they sucked.
 
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So from what I've read, I'm curious how much more infractions need to occur before this gets to a "failure to promote an atmosphere of compliance"....
 
I just can't help but wonder how often this sort of thing happens and if the NCAA is selective in who they go after. Would they find such violations if they investigated the programs with what most see as favored status? Programs like dook, unc, uk, ku, mich st, etc?

I'm in no way giving Baylor a pass on this, nor do I want to throw them under the bus, though I understand why many want to. You can't help but wonder how in the world the staff's in Waco are able to get such talent to go there. Now it seems we're beginning to know why.
 
Kenneth Starr is the President of Baylor? There's a blast from the past. Apparently Scott Drew has his support too. I guess he's just a prurient little fellow and not the high-minded stickler to the rules I thought he was.
 
DogMania said:
I just can't help but wonder how often this sort of thing happens and if the NCAA is selective in who they go after. Would they find such violations if they investigated the programs with what most see as favored status? Programs like dook, unc, uk, ku, mich st, etc?

I'm in no way giving Baylor a pass on this, nor do I want to throw them under the bus, though I understand why many want to. You can't help but wonder how in the world the staff's in Waco are able to get such talent to go there. Now it seems we're beginning to know why.
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What? Doesn't Baylor play an up-tempo game that allows players to display their skills for the NBA scouts? I thought that was the generic excuse used for coaches that seem to have a little too much recruiting success RELATIVE to their coaching resume.
 
Mots010 said:
I realize we have had our issues at Uconn, but the whole Baylor athletic department seemed to make a miraculous rise to power in what felt like overnight. We're talking Heisman winners, huge recruiting classes in both men's and women's basketball, including what may be the best women's player in history. My guess is this is all going to come crashing down.
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Well it's a Texas school with big money boosters. What do you expect. For you youngsters, out here that forgot the old SWC conference, let me throw some names out here for you.
SMU, TEXAS TECH, TEXAS. SMU got the death penalty in the late 80's, these other programs at one time or another got caught too. So, no this does not surprise me. It just goes in cycles. If anyone out here wants to see a good show on the corruption in sports, check out ESPN'S 30 for 30 "Pony Excess".
 
Excalibur said:
Baylor wasn't calling a booster with connections and the ability to influence the recruit. Their sanctions won't equal ours because there's no Nochimson equivalent here, at least as far as I can tell. I only browsed the article, so I may have missed something.
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There may be more to the Baylor womens' problems. The head coach, Kim Mulkey, sat next to Brittany Griner's father during AAU games and discussed Brittany's possible future with Baylor. This happened during non-contact periods and it was in fact Griner's father that reported the contact to the NCAA. A first time poster on the women's board said that Mulkey's daughter, who is not an elite prospect, ended up on Griner's elite AAU team which was the excuse Mulkey used for making contact during AAU games, you know, "incidental" contact with another player's parent. Also, the AAU coach is now an assistant on Baylor's coaching staff. It doesn't look quite kosher.
 
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HuskyNan said:
There may be more to the Baylor womens' problems. The head coach, Kim Mulkey, sat next to Brittany Griner's father during AAU games and discussed Brittany's possible future with Baylor. This happened during non-contact periods and it was in fact Griner's father that reported the contact to the NCAA. A first time poster on the women's board said that Mulkey's daughter, who is not an elite prospect, ended up on Griner's elite AAU team which was the excuse Mulkey used for making contact during AAU games, you know, "incidental" contact with another player's parent. Also, the AAU coach is now an assistant on Baylor's coaching staff. It doesn't look quite kosher.
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"What's the problem?" - John Calipari
 
I mean getting a Heisman winner, a NC women's and potential FF men's team out of pretty much nowhere is going to attract the type of attention that is going to reveal some kind of rule-breaking.
 
Texting/Calling a recruit beyond the acceptable limit is pretty much the worst thing a program can do. That's a sign of a cheating head coach and a dirty program.

At least that's the prevailing opinion I've read from other fans and the media when they discuss UConn. I hope Baylor is ready to assume that mantle.
 
HuskyNan said:
There may be more to the Baylor womens' problems. The head coach, Kim Mulkey, sat next to Brittany Griner's father during AAU games and discussed Brittany's possible future with Baylor. This happened during non-contact periods and it was in fact Griner's father that reported the contact to the NCAA. A first time poster on the women's board said that Mulkey's daughter, who is not an elite prospect, ended up on Griner's elite AAU team which was the excuse Mulkey used for making contact during AAU games, you know, "incidental" contact with another player's parent. Also, the AAU coach is now an assistant on Baylor's coaching staff. It doesn't look quite kosher.
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NCAA should hire Bill Clinton, as an impartial outside counsel, to lead the investigation.
 
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