OT: Article - What If NYC Evicted Madison Square Garden?

[ElGuapo]

Interesting read...

What If NYC Evicted Madison Square Garden?

 

[TJT]

It was a crime against man to tear down the original magnificient Penn Station.

 

[Tyler2Rings]

It was a crime against man to tear down the original magnificient Penn Station.

After only being open 50 years! The thing cost something like 100 million to build in 1910. For reference, Yankee Stadium cost 2.5m in 1920. Insult to injury was the cramped replacement

 

[businesslawyer]

It was a crime against man to tear down the original magnificient Penn Station.

I'm sorry. The Knicks are a much bigger crime against man than the loss of any architectural landmark.

 

[JeepCSC]

“One entered the city like a god. One scuttles in now like a rat.”

 

[intlzncster]

I'm sorry. The Knicks are a much bigger crime against man than the loss of any architectural landmark.

Is Dolan now the worst owner in the NBA? Has he taken over for Sterling in that department?

 

[sledog]

Wasn't the 'old' Penn St located across 8th Ave in what is now the Post Office bldg?

 

[ElGuapo]

Here is a picture from 1968 when MSG was built.

 

[pepband99]

Wasn't the 'old' Penn St located across 8th Ave in what is now the Post Office bldg?

No. The original Penn Station stood where that horrid MSG thing is. The post office was built by the same architects, though.

 

[Guapo]

It was a crime against man to tear down the original magnificient Penn Station.

There’s a whole plot line in a Mad Men episode about it

 

[Mots010]

I was not familiar with the history of penn station, so did a little reading. Holy hell, how did they let that building get torn down? At least it caused the historic preservation movement which appears to have stopped Grand Central falling to a similar fate.

 

[Dooley]

Is Dolan now the worst owner in the NBA? Has he taken over for Sterling in that department?

Without question, James Dolan is not just the worst owner in the NBA, he is the worst owner in all of sports now that Jeffrey Loria sold the Marlins.

 

[Matrim55]

Without question, James Dolan is not just the worst owner in the NBA. He is the worst owner in all of sports now that Jeffrey Loria sold the Marlins.

Sarver's worse, as is Vivek.

 

[Dooley]

Sarver's worse, as is Vivek.

With all due respect to the cities of Sacramento and Phoenix, Dolan can't convince a single superstar to play basketball in New York City at the Mecca of Basketball.

 

[Matrim55]

With all due respect to the cities of Sacramento and Phoenix, Dolan can't convince a single superstar to play basketball in New York City at the Mecca of Basketball.

That's a very fair criticism that won't apply as of next summer, I don't think.

People used to say the same of the Celtics. Then Horford & Hayward happened, so...

 

[DarthGrumpy]

This has been talked about for a while now. Many in NYC feel that Dolan's recent renovation of MSG was a giant middle finger to NYC leadership (Bloomberg at the time) as its well known that MSG is preventing the expansion and renovation of Penn Station as the tracks under MSG can't be moved. Dolan has not had a good relationship with NYC officials since the 2012 NYC Olympic bid, which was supported by the City and opposed by Dolan because he viewed a West Side football stadium as direct competition for MSG.

That said, the City and State are taking a lot on in terms of debt with the complete re-build of LaGuardia Airport, the replacement of Terminal A at Newark and a new terminal at Kennedy along with the on-going fight for a new Hudson rail tunnel as the current pair were badly damanged by Sandy. In addition, funding for a new Penn Station will likely compete with funding for a new Bus Terminal, both of which are located in the same neighborhood.

 

[Dooley]

That's a very fair criticism that won't apply as of next summer, I don't think.

People used to say the same of the Celtics. Then Horford & Hayward happened, so...

I hope you're right. The Knicks are such a mess right now that I can't believe any of these free agent rumors until the ink is dried and the press conference is over. You are right about the Celts though. That franchise is the shining light beacon for all franchise transformations and "trusting the process".

 

[nomar]

Sarver's worse, as is Vivek.

Snyder is also in the running. A miserable human being.

 

[FartMan69]

Snyder, Wilpon, Dolan choose your weapon

 

[ElGuapo]

I think making this thread brought me some good luck as I was able to buy a pair of tickets today on a rerelease to Phish at MSG on 12/28.
They are the one thing that keeps bringing me back to MSG year after year.

 

[Lefty2one]

With all due respect to the cities of Sacramento and Phoenix, Dolan can't convince a single superstar to play basketball in New York City at the Mecca of Basketball.

I don't understand why people think this should be an automatic. The Knicks never attracted a superstar in the dozen years or so free agency existed before Dolan bought the team. Not to mention they aren't the Yankees and the NBA has a salary cap.

 

[Dooley]

I don't understand why people think this should be an automatic. The Knicks never attracted a superstar in the dozen years or so free agency existed before Dolan bought the team. Not to mention they aren't the Yankees and the NBA has a salary cap.

I don't think it should be automatic and never said so. But I do think playing basketball in New York at Madison Square Garden has appeal that is never utilized for whatever reason. The NHL also has a salary cap and the Rangers are far from being the Yankees too, yet hockey free agents jump at the opportunity to play there in the same building. And New York is a far bigger basketball city than it is a hockey city.

 

[A10 fan]

I think the younger generation sees the Staples Center as the Mecca, not the Garden. It was actually the third Garden that cultivated the image of "Mecca of basketball", and this was built by college ball, not the pros. The Knicks built on this with their great early 70s teams, and the BE Tournament also helped. However, the Lakers have come to overshadow all of that. Kids today grow up dreaming of playing for the Lakers. Who, outside of the NY metro area, grows up dreaming of playing for the Knicks?

 

[Dave Carlson]

I don't think it should be automatic and never said so. But I do think playing basketball in New York at Madison Square Garden has appeal that is never utilized for whatever reason. The NHL also has a salary cap and the Rangers are far from being the Yankees too, yet hockey free agents jump at the opportunity to play there in the same building. And New York is a far bigger basketball city than it is a hockey city.

Who own da rangers?

 

[Dooley]

Who own da rangers?

Yup. Which is what makes his ownership of the Knicks even more baffling.