Oregon St (7) @ Oregon (4) - 1/24/20

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ESPN headlines says Oregon "dominates" Oregon State. I'm calling that misleading at best and pure B.S. at worst.
Oregon "beats" Oregon State at home is more accurate. They really only "dominated" in one quarter, the second quarter, NOT THE WHOLE GAME.

Here are other reasons why their headline is inaccurate:
1. OSU played the Ducks closer (score-wise) at home than any other Oregon opponent all season. OSU was Oregon's toughest home game so far this season.
2. OSU outscored the Ducks in the second half, the only Duck opponent to do that against them at home all season. The only other teams to out score Oregon in the second half were Louisville and Arizona State, both away games and both were the Duck's only 2 losses for the season (so far).
3. OSU shot a higher percentage overall than the Ducks.
4. OSU shot better (highest %) than any Oregon opponent this year, home or away, even better than Louisville.
5. OSU tied Oregon in total number of rebounds. Oregon has out-rebounded all of its other opponents, home or away, except for Louisville.

Of course what killed OSU was poor 3 pt shooting, more turnovers than Oregon, and fewer made free throws, a familiar pattern of late. In any event, I would not call the Oregon win a "domination". Oregon hits 3 last second, end of quarter, 3 pointers, all in the same game...how often does that happen? Like never? Take 2 of those away from the Ducks and add a couple wide open 3s by Tudor or Pivec that they should have made, and you have a different ball game.

And if Boley made all her shots then and Moore had not missed a couple of layups then there is another plus 12 there. And we had not even talked about not playing four complete quarters. No one wants to recognize that the Oregon State defense is not where it had been in years past. Not all five on the floor are buying in on that.

 

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[newfrontier]

And if Boley made all her shots then and Moore had not missed a couple of layups then there is another plus 12 there. And we had not even talked about not playing four complete quarters.

And if the Ducks don't get some home cookin' from the refs and Slocum doesn't miss a gimmie layup and 1 or 2 short jumpers....and on and on.

 

[TheFarmFan]

And if the Ducks don't get some home cookin' from the refs and Slocum doesn't miss a gimmie layup and 1 or 2 short jumpers....and on and on.

I'll admit I didn't watch the whole game, but if anything, the foul differential was in the Beavs' favor - Sabrina was called for her second 1 minute into the second quarter, followed by Hebard's second a few minutes later. It's pretty unusual for either of them to be in foul trouble early. And Missy was calling some ticky-tacky stuff on both sides, including one comical one against Jones. But nothing about that looked like home cooking to me, since Oregon ended with 14 vs. Oregon State's 13. If anything, I think of Oregon State as the more physical team (especially Pivec, who throws shoulders and elbows like the best of them).

As for dominating? I'd say Oregon dominated until they knew they could coast to Sunday, then let up. Make the Beavs expend energy just to get the score respectable and keep something in the tank for the quick turnaround to Sunday afternoon. Seems like a sensible strategy to me, though they were seeming to play with fire down the stretch.

 

[jonson]

I like what Moore adds to UO. You can sag off of her a little more than you could on Maite, but she does a nice job of disrupting the opponents offense, particularly when Goodman was in.

I agree, but I also think that Taylor Chavez, who typically replaces Moore or Boley has become a key component for the team. Although she is not as disruptive as Moore, she is very good defensively (I still remember her, as a freshman, chasing Bibby all over the floor in last year's first game against Mississippi State) and, as of now, the most consistent Duck from distance. To me, the team often looks best when she is on the floor.

 

[newfrontier]

I'll admit I didn't watch the whole game, but if anything, the foul differential was in the Beavs' favor - Sabrina was called for her second 1 minute into the second quarter, followed by Hebard's second a few minutes later. It's pretty unusual for either of them to be in foul trouble early. And Missy was calling some ticky-tacky stuff on both sides, including one comical one against Jones. But nothing about that looked like home cooking to me, since Oregon ended with 14 vs. Oregon State's 13. If anything, I think of Oregon State as the more physical team (especially Pivec, who throws shoulders and elbows like the best of them).

As for dominating? I'd say Oregon dominated until they knew they could coast to Sunday, then let up. Make the Beavs expend energy just to get the score respectable and keep something in the tank for the quick turnaround to Sunday afternoon. Seems like a sensible strategy to me, though they were seeming to play with fire down the stretch.

I strongly disagree with your perspective on the game.
1. Examples of refereeing that favored the Ducks - Considering Sabrina alone, there were a number of no-calls and bad calls. Traveling - Sabrina got away with at least 2 travels that were not called. Pushing off - Sabrina pushed off to create space at least 3 times in gathering rebounds that were not called; Fake falls - Sabrina fell to the floor exaggerating contact resulting in a foul on Pivec (a "touch," foul that was no foul at all). This is one her specialties. Moving pics - at least 2 missed on the Ducks that I saw. Phantom shooting fouls - there were 2 phantom calls on OSU's Jones that defied reality. Yes, a couple of calls were missed on OSU's Pivec, but in balance, the Ducks came out ahead.
2. The idea that Oregon was simply letting up and doing some "coasting" in advance of Sunday's upcoming game is laughable. The truth is, Oregon State closed to within 7 points in the second half because of improved defense. They changed to using a zone defense at times, increased their intensity, and improved their ball pressure and positioning in the second half. Their adjustments resulted in 7 turnovers by Oregon in the second half after the Ducks had committed ZERO turnovers in the first half. A sensible strategy of Oregon?........my ass!

 

[WestCoast]

[QUOTE="TheFarmFan, post: 3411748, member: 9403"
As for dominating? I'd say Oregon dominated until they knew they could coast to Sunday, then let up. Make the Beavs expend energy just to get the score respectable and keep something in the tank for the quick turnaround to Sunday afternoon. Seems like a sensible strategy to me, though they were seeming to play with fire down the stretch.
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I don't think that Oregon was coasting down the stretch. The Ducks played 7 players. Graves didn't feel comfortable enough to insert Winterburn and Giomi at any point in the game. Sabally played 39 minutes. Ionescu nearly played all 40 as well. OSU cut it to 7 points with 3:38 remaining.

 

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[QUOTE="TheFarmFan, post: 3411748, member: 9403"
As for dominating? I'd say Oregon dominated until they knew they could coast to Sunday, then let up. Make the Beavs expend energy just to get the score respectable and keep something in the tank for the quick turnaround to Sunday afternoon. Seems like a sensible strategy to me, though they were seeming to play with fire down the stretch.

I don't think that Oregon was coasting down the stretch. The Ducks played 7 players. Graves didn't feel comfortable enough to insert Winterburn and Giomi at any point in the game. Sabally played 39 minutes. Ionescu nearly played all 40 as well. OSU cut it to 7 points with 3:38 remaining.
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Why would you insert Winterburn and Giomi who were injured? Yaeger has disk problems in her back.

Lets keep the fabrications to a minimum.

........Oregon women’s basketball needed only seven players to beat rival Oregon State Friday night but it wasn’t entirely by design.
The No. 4 Ducks are playing with a short bench and depleted front court due to unspecified injuries to forwards Lydia Giomi and Lucy Cochrane, while guard Morgan Yaeger was suited up for the first time this month but did not play for the seventh straight game.

 

[Figurehead]

I strongly disagree with your perspective on the game.
1. Examples of refereeing that favored the Ducks - Considering Sabrina alone, there were a number of no-calls and bad calls. Traveling - Sabrina got away with at least 2 travels that were not called. Pushing off - Sabrina pushed off to create space at least 3 times in gathering rebounds that were not called; Fake falls - Sabrina fell to the floor exaggerating contact resulting in a foul on Pivec (a "touch," foul that was no foul at all). This is one her specialties. Moving pics - at least 2 missed on the Ducks that I saw. Phantom shooting fouls - there were 2 phantom calls on OSU's Jones that defied reality. Yes, a couple of calls were missed on OSU's Pivec, but in balance, the Ducks came out ahead.
2. The idea that Oregon was simply letting up and doing some "coasting" in advance of Sunday's upcoming game is laughable. The truth is, Oregon State closed to within 7 points in the second half because of improved defense. They changed to using a zone defense at times, increased their intensity, and improved their ball pressure and positioning in the second half. Their adjustments resulted in 7 turnovers by Oregon in the second half after the Ducks had committed ZERO turnovers in the first half. A sensible strategy of Oregon?........my ass!

Same was said about the Arizona game and Stanford game at the end. If it was not for the Pac-12 refs against them it would be a different story. Pivec playing dirty against Stanford in the fourth is perfectly okay.

Oregon State is in sixth place in the Pac-12. Sixth place Pac-12 won't host in the first rounds.

 

[Figurehead]

And if the Ducks don't get some home cookin' from the refs and Slocum doesn't miss a gimmie layup and 1 or 2 short jumpers....and on and on.

You said that the refs favored Stanford in the loss. Even in football it is all ways the refs. Oregon State against the Pac-12 refs.

 

[Figurehead]

I strongly disagree with your perspective on the game.
1. Examples of refereeing that favored the Ducks - Considering Sabrina alone, there were a number of no-calls and bad calls. Traveling - Sabrina got away with at least 2 travels that were not called. Pushing off - Sabrina pushed off to create space at least 3 times in gathering rebounds that were not called; Fake falls - Sabrina fell to the floor exaggerating contact resulting in a foul on Pivec (a "touch," foul that was no foul at all). This is one her specialties. Moving pics - at least 2 missed on the Ducks that I saw. Phantom shooting fouls - there were 2 phantom calls on OSU's Jones that defied reality. Yes, a couple of calls were missed on OSU's Pivec, but in balance, the Ducks came out ahead.
2. The idea that Oregon was simply letting up and doing some "coasting" in advance of Sunday's upcoming game is laughable. The truth is, Oregon State closed to within 7 points in the second half because of improved defense. They changed to using a zone defense at times, increased their intensity, and improved their ball pressure and positioning in the second half. Their adjustments resulted in 7 turnovers by Oregon in the second half after the Ducks had committed ZERO turnovers in the first half. A sensible strategy of Oregon?........my ass!

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[newfrontier]

Same was said about the Arizona game and Stanford game at the end. If it was not for the Pac-12 refs against them it would be a different story. Pivec playing dirty against Stanford in the fourth is perfectly okay.

Oregon State is in sixth place in the Pac-12. Sixth place Pac-12 won't host in the first rounds.

Don't put words in my mouth. I never said the refs were the main or only difference or even a definitive contributing difference in the outcome of Oregon vs. Oregon state game on Friday night. As I stated in my original comment, OSU lost because of poor 3 point shooting, having more turnovers than Oregon, and making fewer free throws (ie. they shot a lower percentage). I have never commented on the Oregon State vs. Arizona games or the Oregon State vs. Stanford game and I don't know what others have said about them. I have not even read the thread or any thread on the latter. Also, I have never commented on Pivec's play as to whether it is or was "dirty" or "clean" or something similar to these adverbs....actually, never in my entire life!

 

[j66kicker]

ESPN headlines says Oregon "dominates" Oregon State. I'm calling that misleading at best and pure B.S. at worst.
Oregon "beats" Oregon State at home is more accurate. They really only "dominated" in one quarter, the second quarter, NOT THE WHOLE GAME.

Here are other reasons why their headline is inaccurate:
1. OSU played the Ducks closer (score-wise) at home than any other Oregon opponent all season. OSU was Oregon's toughest home game so far this season.
2. OSU outscored the Ducks in the second half, the only Duck opponent to do that against them at home all season. The only other teams to out score Oregon in the second half were Louisville and Arizona State, both away games and both were the Duck's only 2 losses for the season (so far).
3. OSU shot a higher percentage overall than the Ducks.
4. OSU shot better (highest %) than any Oregon opponent this year, home or away, even better than Louisville.
5. OSU tied Oregon in total number of rebounds. Oregon has out-rebounded all of its other opponents, home or away, except for Louisville.

Of course what killed OSU was poor 3 pt shooting, more turnovers than Oregon, and fewer made free throws, a familiar pattern of late. In any event, I would not call the Oregon win a "domination". Oregon hits 3 last second, end of quarter, 3 pointers, all in the same game...how often does that happen? Like never? Take 2 of those away from the Ducks and add a couple wide open 3s by Tudor or Pivec that they should have made, and you have a different ball game.

I watched the whole game as an impartial observer. My expertise on this is that I’m a long-time UConn fan so I know what domination looks like. Trust me - Oregon State got dominated.

I will watch again Sunday to see if they can pull it together and give Oregon a competitive game.

 

[newfrontier]

You said that the refs favored Stanford in the loss. Even in football it is all ways the refs. Oregon State against the Pac-12 refs.

You are confusing me with someone else. Again, I have never commented on the Oregon State vs. Stanford game. I have not made such comments about Oregon State football.

 

[newfrontier]

I watched the whole game as an impartial observer. My expertise on this is that I’m a long-time UConn fan so I know what domination looks like. Trust me - Oregon State got dominated.

I will watch again Sunday to see if they can pull it together and give Oregon a competitive game.

That's your opinion. That's fine. In my opinion Oregon dominated in the second quarter, built a substantial lead and hung on in the second half as Oregon State outscored Oregon and closed to within 7 in the second half.

 

[WestCoast]

I don't think that Oregon was coasting down the stretch. The Ducks played 7 players. Graves didn't feel comfortable enough to insert Winterburn and Giomi at any point in the game. Sabally played 39 minutes. Ionescu nearly played all 40 as well. OSU cut it to 7 points with 3:38 remaining.

Why would you insert Winterburn and Giomi who were injured? Yaeger has disk problems in her back.

Lets keep the fabrications to a minimum.

........Oregon women’s basketball needed only seven players to beat rival Oregon State Friday night but it wasn’t entirely by design.
The No. 4 Ducks are playing with a short bench and depleted front court due to unspecified injuries to forwards Lydia Giomi and Lucy Cochrane, while guard Morgan Yaeger was suited up for the first time this month but did not play for the seventh straight game.


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No mention of an injury to Winterburn in the postgame report. Did I miss that? Both Giomi and Winterburn played for the Ducks in last Sunday's blowout win over Cal. I know that Yeager has recurring back issues, so I didn't expect her to play. I was a bit surprised that Moore didn't play much, but credit the strong play of Chavez for that.

 

[Plebe]

It's unbelievable the amount of desperation that some Oregon State fans have poured into one word choice in an ESPN article.

 

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[newfrontier]

Frankly, it's unbelievable how some people waste their time attempting to belittle others by making derogatory, condescending, inaccurate statements about them in regard to their comments. Sadly, they don't seem to comprehend that they reflect negatively upon themselves in so doing.

 

[PAC-12HoopFan]

It's unbelievable the amount of desperation that some Oregon State fans have poured into one word choice in an ESPN article.

Following a strong 10-2 start by the Beavers last night, Oregon did dominate the second quarter to push its lead to 16 points by halftime and extended the lead to 21 early in the fourth quarter. The Beavers made a 11-0 run to reduce the margin to 10 with 5:28 left and then cut the deficit to 7 points with 3:38 left in the game, but could get no closer and ended up losing by 12 points.

Call it whatever you want. It counts as a loss for Oregon State and a quality win for Oregon.

 

[Figurehead]

Why would you insert Winterburn and Giomi who were injured? Yaeger has disk problems in her back.

Lets keep the fabrications to a minimum.

........Oregon women’s basketball needed only seven players to beat rival Oregon State Friday night but it wasn’t entirely by design.
The No. 4 Ducks are playing with a short bench and depleted front court due to unspecified injuries to forwards Lydia Giomi and Lucy Cochrane, while guard Morgan Yaeger was suited up for the first time this month but did not play for the seventh straight game.

No mention of an injury to Winterburn in the postgame report. Did I miss that? Both Giomi and Winterburn played for the Ducks in last Sunday's blowout win over Cal. I know that Yeager has recurring back issues, so I didn't expect her to play. I was a bit surprised that Moore didn't play much, but credit the strong play of Chavez for that.
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Oregon Ducks women’s basketball coping with short front court due to injuries to Lydia Giomi, Lucy Cochrane

The No. 4 Ducks are playing with a short bench and depleted front court due to unspecified injuries to forwards Lydia Giomi and Lucy Cochrane, while guard Morgan Yaeger was suited up for the first time this month but did not play for the seventh straight game.

www.oregonlive.com

Winterburn was under the weather getting over a virus. Yeager will probably end up retiring from the sport. And Chavez probably should be starting over Moore.

 

[domerduck]

Same was said about the Arizona game and Stanford game at the end. If it was not for the Pac-12 refs against them it would be a different story. Pivec playing dirty against Stanford in the fourth is perfectly okay.

Oregon State is in sixth place in the Pac-12. Sixth place Pac-12 won't host in the first rounds.

Disagree. I think it's possible 6 PAC12 teams will host...and should. I am also sure the Beavs will be hosting. I think they lose at most 3 more until the PAC12 tourney which will add another loss. I guarantee a 6 loss team which lost only to ranked PAC12 teams, mostly top 5, will be hosting. Also Colorado definitely should be in tne tourney if the committee is objective at all. I also think a PAC12 team will win the WNIT postseason touney, like the Beavers did the preseason WNIT.

 

[Figurehead]

You are confusing me with someone else. Again, I have never commented on the Oregon State vs. Stanford game. I have not made such comments about Oregon State football.

Your whole fan base in general goes off at every loss whether it be football, volleyball, softball, mens basketball, womens basketball or soccer. As if every Pac-12 team has some sort of aligned conspiracy with the officials. Do bad calls happen, sure they do but I don't think it is an organized conspiracy between 11 other pac-12 schools and Oregon State. You may very well win on Sunday but unless it goes down to the last call I don't think people will be calling out the refs here.

 

[Figurehead]

I watched the whole game as an impartial observer. My expertise on this is that I’m a long-time UConn fan so I know what domination looks like. Trust me - Oregon State got dominated.

I will watch again Sunday to see if they can pull it together and give Oregon a competitive game.

Yeah, if people get hung up over articles titles and slanted opinions then they are new to the internet (such as CNN and Fox news). All ways welcome others outside the conference to look at things in perspective because you dont have a dog in this fight. j66kicker usually calls it as it is.

 

[Figurehead]

It's unbelievable the amount of desperation that some Oregon State fans have poured into one word choice in an ESPN article.

Remember this headline. They were not complaining then.

Why Oregon State, not UConn, should be the No. 1 women's college basketball team

 

[domerduck]

It's unbelievable the amount of desperation that some Oregon State fans have poured into one word choice in an ESPN article.

This is ESPN hyping the game tomorrow, but also setting up more hype for the Feb 3 match-up near the mothership agaist UConn. Whether Oregon wins or loses tomorrow that want a big audience for that big Monday game.

 

[Plebe]

Remember this headline. They were not complaining then.

Why Oregon State, not UConn, should be the No. 1 women's college basketball team

Oh man, that's the headline they should've been pissed about. Talk about the kiss of death

 

[WestCoast]

Yep. Kinda like the Sports Illustrated cover jinx. As a Beavers fan, I knew the brutal part of the conference schedule was approaching quickly when that headline emerged. I also knew that the ball movement for the squad was in need of improvement.

 

[Plebe]

Yep. Kinda like the Sports Illustrated cover jinx. As a Beavers fan, I knew the brutal part of the conference schedule was approaching quickly when that headline emerged. I also knew that the ball movement for the squad was in need of improvement.

In 24 hours we'll probably be talking about how well they bounced back. It's very, very hard to beat a good team twice in 3 days. It's a fickle game.

A lot of UConn fans protested that headline. I was completely fine with it but it still didn't help UConn against Baylor