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Message: [QUOTE="freescooter, post: 2265660, member: 1023"] Now they are but for a very long time it was FSU and the 7 dwarfs. They joined the conference and literally were unbeaten for 7 years. Didn't lose an ACC game, not 1. Then lost to UNC Iirc and went 3 more years without a league loss. And remember when BC, VaTech and Miami joined they were immediately the top teams in the ACC for 3-4 years. It was a garbage football league that built itself into something, though I still contend it is really an inch deep. The American, outside the #1 and some years #2 teams would probably be pretty competitive. [/QUOTE]