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Gabby or Aubrey? You are picking your team. Which do you take. Proven vs potential. I’m biased. Potential means you haven’t done squat yet! So until you do, you can not be called 2.0 of anything or anyone! I’m going with Gabby.1!
 
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MDoggie said:
Gabby or Aubrey? You are picking your team. Which do you take. Proven vs potential. I’m biased. Potential means you haven’t done squat yet! So until you do, you can not be called 2.0 of anything or anyone! I’m going with Gabby.1!
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I mean would anyone pick Aubrey? It could change in the future but at the current time it’s absolutely no contest right?
 
Deuce said:
I mean would anyone pick Aubrey? It could change in the future but at the current time it’s absolutely no contest right?
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I agree. So why are some calling her Gabby 2.0?
 
MDoggie said:
I agree. So why are some calling her Gabby 2.0?
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Because Geno RECENTLY said in an interview, that she is 100 times better than last year.

Many of us expect her to make a huge sophomore leap. If Geno has any credibility, it sounds like she has. That answers your question.

That said, I‘m rolling with my brethren from Missouri right now. I can always change my mind on this question later.

But.............I want to remind you that I began to drink Aubrey’s koolaid toward the end of the season, and I continue to do so.

Whether she starts or comes off the bench, she’s going to make plays on both ends of the court, and get starter’s type minuets. Don’t concern yourself with her. When they toss the ball up to begin the game, she’ll be ready. :cool:
 
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At this point in her career Gabby certainly has the edge in experience and physical development over Aubrey. But in the words of Lee Corso, “Not so fast!” I watched Aubrey 4 times in HS, and she has the potential to be a better all-around offensive player than Gabby. Aubrey is a very capable 3-pt shooter. Once she gains some confidence at the college level (this year?) she may just start to light it up.

Like Gabby, Aubrey is also a great athlete and excellent passer with a tremendous first step who can beat defenders off the dribble and take the ball to the basket.

It really all comes down to how well Aubrey’s shot develops at the college level. Defenders laid off Gabby, never fully respecting her outside shot. If Aubrey can consistently knock down her outside shot, she will be impossible to guard.
 
MDoggie said:
Gabby or Aubrey?
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I'm going with Aubrey, He has more potential. Confidence issues don't plague Aubrey as they hampered Gabby. "He told me that the only person that holds me back is myself, and if I can have confidence in what I do I'll be fine." Gabby Williams on Geno Auriemma's parting words to her when she left UConn.
 
Too soon to even have this conversation - maybe not even reasonable to compare the two. In addition to an unproven offense, Aubrey is no where near the rebounder Gabby was. Gabby excelled as an inside player. Aubrey is one of the best in college basketball disrupting guards and small forwards.
 
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The Gabster. She was a once in a generation player. I had a chance to see her play a couple of times at Storrs and it was like a sapling rising above the tall timbers. She out rebounded players six inches taller and several pounds heavier. I have never seen a player her size dominate like that and the opposing players were not from the "LIttle Sisters Of The Poor" variety.
 
You have to compare them at the same points in their career. Asking if I want third year pro Gabby or rising sophomore Aubrey is just silly.

Do you want freshman Gabby or freshman Aubrey?

At this point, that's all you can really compare and, on paper, they look fairly similar.

Aubrey (2019-2020)Gabby (2014-2015)
mpg16.715.6
ppg6.48.6
fg - %74/144 - 51.4%137/215 - 63.7%
3fg - %1/10 - 10%0/0 - 0%
ft - % 56/93 - 60.2%41/91 - 46.1%
rpg5.45.7
apg1.03 (33)1.3 (50)
spg1.5 (48)1.2 (46)
bpg.5 (18).3 (14)
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Despite the fact that they are both outrageously athletic, I see them as two different players. Gabby is stronger and more physical, capable of playing inside and matching up with post players. Aubrey is quicker, and excels at defending players on the perimeter. Also see Aubrey as ending up as the better outside shooter.
 
JonathanXIV said:
Despite the fact that they are both outrageously athletic, I see them as two different players. Gabby is stronger and more physical, capable of playing inside and matching up with post players. Aubrey is quicker, and excels at defending players on the perimeter. Also see Aubrey as ending up as the better outside shooter.
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While I agree that Gabby is stronger and more physical right now, I’m not sure that Aubrey is any less capable of matching up with opposing BIGs, as she did a number of times last season, as a backup to Liv. Aubrey is taller than Gabby, and she has great lower body strength, allowing her to body up well against much bigger players. One of the season highlights, imo, was Aubrey’s block on TN’s 6’5” center.

Much like Gabby, I think Aubrey will be able to guard all 5 positions on the floor before she’s done. If she can earn enough PT on this exceptionally deep UConn roster, I see Aubrey as a potential DPOY, just like Gabby.
 
Argonaut said:
You have to compare them at the same points in their career. Asking if I want third year pro Gabby or rising sophomore Aubrey is just silly.

Do you want freshman Gabby or freshman Aubrey?

At this point, that's all you can really compare and, on paper, they look fairly similar.

Aubrey (2019-2020)Gabby (2014-2015)
mpg16.715.6
ppg6.48.6
fg - %74/144 - 51.4%137/215 - 63.7%
3fg - %1/10 - 10%0/0 - 0%
ft - %56/93 - 60.2%41/91 - 46.1%
rpg5.45.7
apg1.03 (33)1.3 (50)
spg1.5 (48)1.2 (46)
bpg.5 (18).3 (14)
to3640
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LOL I started to read and rushed to the freshman stats before seeing your post. It was clear that they had similar freshman years.
It's funny reading that Williams was better against bigs while Griffin is a perimeter defender. Griffin is bigger than Williams so I'd expect the opposite.

This thread is just another example of people judging a final product from the past against a rookie. They always forget that their old heroines weren't as good as they remember when they were freshman.
 
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Alydar said:
LOL I started to read and rushed to the freshman stats before seeing your post. It was clear that they had similar freshman years.
It's funny reading that Williams was better against bigs while Griffin is a perimeter defender. Griffin is bigger than Williams so I'd expect the opposite.

This thread is just another example of people judging a final product from the past against a rookie. They always forget that their old heroines weren't as good as they remember when they were freshman.
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Griffin may be taller, but I remember Gabby completely neutralizing Aja Wilson when she played against her.
 
Griffin may turn out really good. But she's got a long ways to go to get to Williams level. Gotta remember Williams ended up UCONN top 10 career in Rebounds, shooting %, and steals. Also her Jr/Sr year she posted 190/191 assists. That's top 10 single season with Bird, DT, Jefferson, Rizzotti and Montgomery.
 
Gabby also had a long way to go after her freshman season.

Even Gabby has the famous quote that she "wished she had given the coaches reasons to play her more" as a freshman. Griffin has work to do but I see no reason she won't get to the same place.
She doesn't have to be a Williams clone.
Sometimes this board reminds me of an extended family that gets together whenever another child is added and spends hours arguing who the child looks like as if they are worried about who the father is. ;)
 
MDoggie said:
Gabby or Aubrey? You are picking your team. Which do you take. Proven vs potential. I’m biased. Potential means you haven’t done squat yet! So until you do, you can not be called 2.0 of anything or anyone! I’m going with Gabby.1!
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I think the better question is do you take sophomore Gabby or sophomore Aubrey. I go with Aubrey on that question.

Gabby didn't really become Gabbulous in my opinion till junior year. Aubrey has already shown she can hit an outside shot and I think that shot will become routine this year.

Now if you ask the unfair question of sophomore Aubrey versus just graduated Gabby, then I go with Gabby.
 
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Argonaut said:
You have to compare them at the same points in their career. Asking if I want third year pro Gabby or rising sophomore Aubrey is just silly.

Do you want freshman Gabby or freshman Aubrey?

At this point, that's all you can really compare and, on paper, they look fairly similar.

Aubrey (2019-2020)Gabby (2014-2015)
mpg16.715.6
ppg6.48.6
fg - %74/144 - 51.4%137/215 - 63.7%
3fg - %1/10 - 10%0/0 - 0%
ft - %56/93 - 60.2%41/91 - 46.1%
rpg5.45.7
apg1.03 (33)1.3 (50)
spg1.5 (48)1.2 (46)
bpg.5 (18).3 (14)
to3640
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Really appreciate the data. I know I am really getting in the weeds but would love to know the distribution of those minutes by quarter.

I would venture that Aubrey had more minutes with the game in question while Gabby early years were in the shadow of Stewie, Mo, and Tuck where they would just demoralize opponents by half time and Gabby was playing more what we call garbage minutes than Aubrey.

Aubrey had to play a lot of 5/C minutes when Liv was in foul trouble.
 
MDoggie said:
I just had a problem with someone referring to AG as Gabby 2.0. Not comparing freshman years. We have no idea if AG will live up to the hype. We know Gabby did.
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I have tended to feel the same way often..I've now moved to a new way of thinking about it that keeps me calm.

When I think about Geno's offense and player archetypes, I see Aubrey as the next unique version of the undersized forward who is a really good perimeter defender and fearless around the basket amongst the trees but doesn't rely on the 3 to score.

For me I see this greater lineage of Elliot, Turner, Crockett, Greene, Faris, Gabby, Aubrey, and now Mir.
 
HopJim said:
Too soon to even have this conversation - maybe not even reasonable to compare the two. In addition to an unproven offense, Aubrey is no where near the rebounder Gabby was. Gabby excelled as an inside player. Aubrey is one of the best in college basketball disrupting guards and small forwards.
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Below are the per-40-minute stats from both players' freshman years.

Aubrey played 535 minutes in 32 games, Gabby played 591 minutes in 38 games.

Aubrey is certainly "somewhere near" Gabby's numbers. And I watched her mix it up inside for many of those rebounds and blocks. Also note that Aubrey's numbers in the AACT tourney (after the @ signs) were a step up from the season averages, matching the impression I had of her play in the last half-dozen games of the season and leaving me to wonder where she would have been if the NCAAT had been played. The major difference between them is that Gabby shot more (14.5/40 vs. 10.8/40) and Aubrey took more 3-pt shots (which she missed 90% of ;^) and Gabby took one (which she missed).

Very much looking forward to see Aubrey play after a summer of hard work. Hoping it happens.

------------------------------------------ Aubrey ------------------------------ Gabby -------------
FG%51.4 (74/144) @ 50.063.7 (137/215) @ 76.5
FT%60.2 (56/93) @ 65.046.2 (42/91) @ 57.1
RB12.86 @ 19.2914.75 @ 13.33
Fouls2.47 @ 1.433.11 @ 3.33
Asst2.47 @ 2.863.38 @ 2.50
TO2.69 @ 2.142.71 @ 1.67
A/TO0.92 @1.331.25 @ 1.5
Blocks1.35 @ 2.140.95 @ 0.0
Steals3.59 @ 3.573.11 @ 1.67
Points15.33 @ 19.2921.39 @ 25
 
SVCBeercats said:
I'm going with Aubrey, He has more potential. Confidence issues don't plague Aubrey as they hampered Gabby. "He told me that the only person that holds me back is myself, and if I can have confidence in what I do I'll be fine." Gabby Williams on Geno Auriemma's parting words to her when she left UConn.
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Lol yes as a National Defensive POTY, All-American and 2x conference defensive player of the year. No contest whatsoever not on Aubreys best day and Gabbys worse
 
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JRRRJ said:
Below are the per-40-minute stats from both players' freshman years.

Aubrey played 535 minutes in 32 games, Gabby played 591 minutes in 38 games.

Aubrey is certainly "somewhere near" Gabby's numbers. And I watched her mix it up inside for many of those rebounds and blocks. Also note that Aubrey's numbers in the AACT tourney (after the @ signs) were a step up from the season averages, matching the impression I had of her play in the last half-dozen games of the season and leaving me to wonder where she would have been if the NCAAT had been played. The major difference between them is that Gabby shot more (14.5/40 vs. 10.8/40) and Aubrey took more 3-pt shots (which she missed 90% of ;^) and Gabby took one (which she missed).

Very much looking forward to see Aubrey play after a summer of hard work. Hoping it happens.

------------------------------------------ Aubrey ------------------------------ Gabby -------------
FG%51.4 (74/144) @ 50.063.7 (137/215) @ 76.5
FT%60.2 (56/93) @ 65.046.2 (42/91) @ 57.1
RB12.86 @ 19.2914.75 @ 13.33
Fouls2.47 @ 1.433.11 @ 3.33
Asst2.47 @ 2.863.38 @ 2.50
TO2.69 @ 2.142.71 @ 1.67
A/TO0.92 @1.331.25 @ 1.5
Blocks1.35 @ 2.140.95 @ 0.0
Steals3.59 @ 3.573.11 @ 1.67
Points15.33 @ 19.2921.39 @ 25
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Does gabbys info include the NCAA tournament? I think that needs to be deducted since there was no 2020 tournament
 
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