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Okay, I'll say it. Samson > Clingan?

bendm said:
i dont understand why clingan had to put on so much weight over the summer. what advantage was it supposed to create? he was already bigger than just about everyone, now he's noticeably slower too. that's a net negative. this isn't about his foot either. once he gets his conditioning back he's still going to slower than last year.
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I doubt anyone told him to. He probably didn’t realize he should change his eating habits while not being able to practice and burn calories. I’d imagine everyone is aware of the problem now, and he’ll work the extra weight off by conference play.
 
Guys. The offense has to find a way to get Clingan shots. But his presence is absolutely crucial.

Samsons dunks are great, and he was great on Monday, but his effect on the game is nowhere near what Clingan does.

Clingan’s size is game altering.
 
Saw Clingan in person and though I don't know his exact weight he doesn't look any heavier. His speed was down because he was sick and recovering from a foot problem. He'll be fine in a few weeks.
 
Deepster said:
Right now, are we better with Samson in there?

a) There were times last season I said the same when Donovan outplayed Adama.
b) I think Donovan is not where he needs to be conditioning-wise yet.
c) Could Samson pull a Hilton Armstrong type jump in his development?
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Nope. Not even close in my opinion. Too early, and DC is still coming back from the foot thing and getting his wind back. Also heard he may have been ill over the weekend, too. I think Samson is better off as a backup this season, the way DC was for Adama last year.
 
Huskyforlife said:
I doubt anyone told him to. He probably didn’t realize he should change his eating habits while not being able to practice and burn calories. I’d imagine everyone is aware of the problem now, and he’ll work the extra weight off by conference play.
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He’s certainly become “the elephant in the room.” Enormous fail for the strength and conditioning staff
 
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JohnFSilver said:
Guys. The offense has to find a way to get Clingan shots. But his presence is absolutely crucial.

Samsons dunks are great, and he was great on Monday, but his effect on the game is nowhere near what Clingan does.

Clingan’s size is game altering.
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Johnson plays better than Clingan for one game and we have a thread as dumb as this. College basketball fans have the shortest memories of any sport.

It would be dope if we could celebrate our guys’ accomplishments without putting another kid down.
 
Clingan is amazing. This team will be really good this year , and by January Clingan will clearly be the S on our chest. But we now have 2 centers who block ,rebound and score. Can’t wait till next year this time when we argue if Singare should start over Samson lol
 
bendm said:
He’s certainly become “the elephant in the room.” Enormous fail for the strength and conditioning staff
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HuskyHawk said:
That’s going to be interesting because Dickenson can shoot from outside. He’d be very tough for Donovan outside. Inside it’s the opposite and DC will give him problems and he might bully Johnson.

Dixkenson is better than either of them, but both of our guys are better than Parker Braun. Get fouls on Hunter and KU has problems.
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I'm more concerned about McCullar. Who guards him?
Dickinson didn't abuse Ighodaro, so why assume he'll be a problem for SJ and, maybe, DC?
 
Scrutiner said:
I'm more concerned about McCullar. Who guards him?
Dickinson didn't abuse Ighodaro, so why assume he'll be a problem for SJ and, maybe, DC?
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castle if he's back. if he's not that's a matchup problem. mccular has been much better offensively than i thought he'd be this year, but KU still only has 2 guys that can score.
 
Hoophound said:
DC really changes the game defensively. He’s a huge weapon. My biggest concern with him as he gets back into shape and gets acclimated again is his free throw shooting. He was at about 50% last season. He’s at 44% so far this season. He has got to shoot it better from the line or all of his offensive presence is wasted on empty possessions. That’s just got to improve.
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He needs to watch game tapes of Edey shooting free throws. Nice arc and fairly soft touch for such a large human. DC's shot has too little arc right now and he's too strong off the back iron on most of his misses.
He'll cost us at this point in a close game if the opponents go "hack a shaq".
 
Scrutiner said:
I'm more concerned about McCullar. Who guards him?
Dickinson didn't abuse Ighodaro, so why assume he'll be a problem for SJ and, maybe, DC?
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He’s where we could really use Castle. Newton or Ball would need to take him if Castle is out.
 
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I don’t know what is it about a foot injury recovery on a 7-2 guy, that’s so hard to understand? We need to be patient and understanding. Add the temporary illness he recently had and you get the Donovan we had.
The good news is Donovan and his teammates figured out a way to beat Indiana and Texas while all this was going on.
 
Love seeing Donny destroying subpar competition. He also must have made an adjustment to his FT stroke because that’s also gotten much better as of late.

My intent in starting the thread was not to unseat Donny permanently. It was more a statement of who contributed more at the time with conditioning and effort at that point. Clingan is one of my favorite players ever already.
 
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Samson was great tonight too. Clingan was our best and I thought Samson was 2nd. Especially defensively, specifically on the perimeter. Moves his feet well and uses his length. He may actually be a better pure shot blocker than Clingan.
 
CardiacAndre7 said:
Samson was great tonight too. Clingan was our best and I thought Samson was 2nd. Especially defensively, specifically on the perimeter. Moves his feet well and uses his length. He may actually be a better pure shot blocker than Clingan.
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Might a better rebounder too… he grabbed one tonight he had no business getting.
 
uconnfan68 said:
Might a better rebounder too… he grabbed one tonight he had no business getting.
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They’re both great but different rebounders. Clingan has a giant rebound radius and establishes position well, specifically for offensive rebounds. Samson has extendo limbs and has pogo stick first/second jumps.

I have a feeling I overshot Clingan’s rebound average preseason. I think Hurley stresses Newton/Karaban grabbing the defensive boards and starting the break. I’m pretty sure Clingan has more Orebs than Drebs thus far.
 
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