Officially #2 AP

[aceboon]

Posters in this thread crying over Seton Hall like they didn't just get dominated at home by a Butler team that has been getting their doors blown by everyone in the BE, y'all sound crazy as hell

 

[RuffRuff]

You are just continuing to prove how little you know about college basketball. You should just stop. AP rankings have NOTHING TO DO WITH SEEDING in the NCAA tournament. Never have, never will.

It's correlative but there is zero relationship to seeding.

AZ 1 is the current 1 seed
We could very well be 2, UM 3.

No one on the committee is looking at the AP when they're assessing.

 

[RuffRuff]

Posters in this thread crying over Seton Hall like they didn't just get dominated at home by a Butler team that has been getting their doors blown by everyone in the BE, y'all sound crazy as hell

No idea why anyone is getting wrapped up in SHU.

 

[uconngb]

It's correlative but there is zero relationship to seeding.

AZ 1 is the current 1 seed
We could very well be 2, UM 3.

No one on the committee is looking at the AP when they're assessing.

This.....the relationship is purely coincidental. Polls are not used as an input to determine seeding. Obviously, all the 1 seeds are going to be highly ranked. But they aren't 1 seeds BECAUSE they are highly ranked. We all know there are other metrics the committee uses.

 

[FightOnCT]

I think it does esp at the top. By kenpom and most other metrics UConn is a 3 seed right now. No way if the season ended now UConn get a 3

Resume metrics have UConn top 3, we wouldn’t be a 3 seed either way

 

[upstater]

You are just continuing to prove how little you know about college basketball. You should just stop. AP rankings have NOTHING TO DO WITH SEEDING in the NCAA tournament. Never have, never will.

Let's look at last year, just as one example:

AZ was a 4 seed. They were ranked #21 in the last top 25 poll
BYU was a 6 seed. They were ranked #17 in the last top 25 poll.
St Marys was a 7 seed. They were ranked #20 in the last top 25 poll.
Gonzaga was an 8 seed. They were ranked #24 in the last top 25 poll.
Kentucky was a 3 seed. They were ranked #18 in the last top 25 poll,.
Clemson was a 5 seed. They were ranked #13 in the last top 25 poll.

I could go on. And that is just from LAST year. Each one of those teams was seeded at least two lines off of where their ranking indicated they should be. Some higher, some lower.

Poll rankings don't mean SQUAT for seeding purposes.

Your deranged misreading of what I wrote is bizarre.

"I know nothing."

Pick up a dictionary and look up the word impact because you have a severe dysfunction when it comes to reading and language.

 

[HooperScooper]

Just 2 seasons ago we had Steph Castle as our point. I do generally agree with you, but ultimately it comes down to the quality of the player. These kids play a lot of hoops and tournaments long before they get on campus. They're not untested freshman.

Ummmm, Tristen Newton was playing point for us. How else did he win the Bob Cousy Award? You really think Castle was the point guard on that team? Maybe a secondary ball handler but in no way was he the main point guard on that team. Flemings definitely is Houston's main point guard which is what would worry me if I was predicting that they would win the championship.

Tristen Newton Wins 2024 Bob Cousy Award - University of Connecticut Athletics

PHOENIX – UConn men's basketball graduate guard Tristen Newton has been named the winner of the 2024 Bob Cousy Award, as announced by the Naismith Hall of Fa...

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[upstater]

I think it does esp at the top. By kenpom and most other metrics UConn is a 3 seed right now. No way if the season ended now UConn get a 3

Yes, it does have an impact. You see it when the metrics say one thing but the committee skews things a little toward the ranking.

There were dozens of examples last year.

St. John's metrics showed them at 14. Yet in the polls they were 5.

Clearly, the committee was influenced by the ranking. Not saying this is the case every or even most of the time or even that it's a major factor, but how else do you account for St John's 2 seed?

AND, they were 6 in the ranking BEFORE they won the Big East tournament, so that didn't even have an impact on the voters' estimations.

 

[prankster]

Resume metrics have UConn top 3, we wouldn’t be a 3 seed either way

Well, there is that entire 4:1 relationship to consider.

AP chalk would have 1-4 as #1 seeds. 5-8 as #2, etc.

 

[auror]

Yes, it does have an impact. You see it when the metrics say one thing but the committee skews things a little toward the ranking.

There were dozens of examples last year.

St. John's metrics showed them at 14. Yet in the polls they were 5.

Clearly, the committee was influenced by the ranking. Not saying this is the case every or even most of the time or even that it's a major factor, but how else do you account for St John's 2 seed?

AND, they were 6 in the ranking BEFORE they won the Big East tournament, so that didn't even have an impact on the voters' estimations.

You're forgetting that there are other metrics, not just predictive KenPom/Torvik metrics.

St. John's was between 4 and 8 in WAB and SOR last season on Selection Sunday. And they got a 2 seed. It tracks.

 

[Fairfield_1st]

Ummmm, Tristen Newton was playing point for us. How else did he win the Bob Cousy Award? You really think Castle was the point guard on that team? Maybe a secondary ball handler but in no way was he the main point guard on that team. Flemings definitely is Houston's main point guard which is what would worry me if I was predicting that they would win the championship.

Tristen Newton Wins 2024 Bob Cousy Award - University of Connecticut Athletics

PHOENIX – UConn men's basketball graduate guard Tristen Newton has been named the winner of the 2024 Bob Cousy Award, as announced by the Naismith Hall of Fa...

uconnhuskies.com

That's fair. I do think Castle played some point for us.

 

[uconngb]

Your deranged misreading of what I wrote is bizarre.

"I know nothing."

Pick up a dictionary and look up the word impact because you have a severe dysfunction when it comes to reading and language.

First off, it doesn't "impact" seeding...I believe I proved my point

and Secondly, your exact quote was "probably because this stuff DETERMINES seeding". I think that's a little different than "impact"

So why don't you just admit you have no clue what you are talking about, AND you are completely trying to walk back what you said without admitting it. I guess you have a severe dysfunction in remembering YOUR OWN WORDS. Unreal

 

[uconngb]

First off, it doesn't "impact" seeding...I believe I proved my point

and Secondly, your exact quote was "probably because this stuff DETERMINES seeding". I think that's a little different than "impact"

So why don't you just admit you have no clue what you are talking about, AND you are completely trying to walk back what you said without admitting it. I guess you have a severe dysfunction in remembering YOUR OWN WORDS. Unreal

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This is why it amazes me that you all get so worked up by these polls. How objective do you think this sportswriter from SYRACUSE is??

Meanwhile UNC loses twice to unranked teams and is still 24th, yet Seton Hall loses a barn burner to the #2 team in the country and then one to Butjer and doesn’t even receive one vote this week??

And yet you’re all in the edge of your seats waiting for the weekly poll to come out. It’s like you’re married to a pretty girl but every week you need 60 random people to tell you she’s pretty……and most of them have never seen her!! Just take solace in knowing she is pretty!!!!

It's probably because this stuff determines seeding.

Florida must not have been too happy to draw UConn the second weekend last year, and it was all because they had us seeded 8th. I had us seeded 6th.

Lest you try and revise history....here's your exact quote

 

[Lafayette]

AP matter exactly one time: postseason #1 100% correlates to the natty winner.

Otherwise AP and KP = Jimmy Crack Corn for me.

 

[80shusky]

Gary Parrish now thinks Houston will win it all. Then again he had St. John's #1 to start the season. I like Houston but I would be somewhat worried that they rely heavily on a freshman point guard. I just am not confident in a freshman point guard leading a team to the championship.

Top 25 And 1: Houston looking good enough to win NCAA Tournament

CBS Sports' Gary Parrish is picking the 17-1 Cougars to cut down the nets in Indianapolis

www.cbssports.com

There is no question in my mind that Parrish huffs paint thinner on the regular.

 

[noelle]

i mean houston is not a bad pick especially with a guy like flemings there. the way refs are calling fouls helps a speedy guy like him to just get to the rim at will. houston with a good offense is pretty strong.

 

[upstater]

First off, it doesn't "impact" seeding...I believe I proved my point

and Secondly, your exact quote was "probably because this stuff DETERMINES seeding". I think that's a little different than "impact"

So why don't you just admit you have no clue what you are talking about, AND you are completely trying to walk back what you said without admitting it. I guess you have a severe dysfunction in remembering YOUR OWN WORDS. Unreal

You didn't prove anything except the fact that you're a megalomaniac knowitall.

It says impact right in the post you initially responded to. & St. John's benefited from it's #5 ranking last year.

 

[RuffRuff]

 

[HooperScooper]

Resume metrics have UConn top 3, we wouldn’t be a 3 seed either way

This guy thinks so. Not sure what he's smoking.

Bracketology: Undefeated Nebraska could follow Indiana's CFP path

The Cornhuskers have never won an NCAA Tournament game but are still undefeated

www.cbssports.com

 

[AllHusky]

Poll rankings picked by brain dead writers have NEVER been a criteria nor had influence over seedlings. This is one of the most ridiculous things I have ever heard.

What kind of seedlings ya got there? Birch or Pine?

 

[auror]

This guy thinks so. Not sure what he's smoking.

Bracketology: Undefeated Nebraska could follow Indiana's CFP path

The Cornhuskers have never won an NCAA Tournament game but are still undefeated

www.cbssports.com

Looks like it's a bracketology "simulation" so it's based on a hypothetical rest of season as simulated by the Sportsline analytics. So not a "as of right now" as the other guy was talking about.

 

[HooperScooper]

Looks like it's a bracketology "simulation" so it's based on a hypothetical rest of season as simulated by the Sportsline analytics. So not a "as of right now" as the other guy was talking about.

Thanks. So the model thinks UConn isn't going to be that good the rest of the season? I thought the predictive models have UConn as the favorite, and in most heavy favorites, in almost every game the rest of the season?

 

[superjohn]

Thanks. So the model thinks UConn isn't going to be that good the rest of the season? I thought the predictive models have UConn as the favorite, and in most heavy favorites, in almost every game the rest of the season?

That bracketology thing is the dumbest thing I've seen yet. Anyone who thinks we're going to be a #3 seed is an idiot.

 

[auror]

Thanks. So the model thinks UConn isn't going to be that good the rest of the season? I thought the predictive models have UConn as the favorite, and in most heavy favorites, in almost every game the rest of the season?

KenPom has us as the favorite in every game except one (now at SJU), but also has us projected to lose 3 games. Essentially, the favorite doesn't win every game, so the chances of losing add up and the expected number of losses is 3.

I think if we lose 3 we still probably get a 2 seed, though.

 

[Leebo]

That bracketology thing is the dumbest thing I've seen yet. Anyone who thinks we're going to be a #3 seed is an idiot.

If we lose a few games, then a 2 seed is a reasonable expectation. And then there's always a way for seeding principles or other nonsense to screw you by a seed line.