O/T: Oregon women's basketball player, Arizona State swimmer file suit against NCAA, Power 5 conferences

[Carnac]

By Dan Murphy - ESPN Staff Writer

A pair of current college athletes filed an antitrust lawsuit against the NCAA and all of the Power 5 conferences Monday morning, presenting the latest challenge to the association's rules prohibiting athletes from making endorsement money while in school. Oregon women's basketball player Sedona Prince and Arizona State swimmer Grant House are named as lead plaintiffs in the class action suit filed in northern California.

Two active athletes file suit vs. NCAA, Power 5

 

[Blueberries]

.... pot stirrers. Because a free education isn’t
enough? Makes me glad she didn’t land at UConn. Let her talents speak on the court before running her mouth.... just saying. This is a girl who hasn’t yet played a single collegiate game if I am not mistaken....

 

[CocoHusky]

.... pot stirrers. Because a free education isn’t
enough? Makes me glad she didn’t land at UConn. Let her talents speak on the court before running her mouth.... just saying. This is a girl who hasn’t yet played a single collegiate game if I am not mistaken....

Her education is not free and neither are the medical bills she incurred from her injury while playing basketball at Texas. I wish she landed at UCONN. Funny UCONN was recruiting a player that had not played a game of college basketball yet-but then again UCONN does that every year. If it is her vs. the NCAA I'm siding with her-just sayin.

 

[clbabson]

.... pot stirrers. Because a free education isn’t
enough? Makes me glad she didn’t land at UConn. Let her talents speak on the court before running her mouth.... just saying. This is a girl who hasn’t yet played a single collegiate game if I am not mistaken....

Just shut up and dribble, right? I think Maya Moore has proven that athletes have a heck of a lot more to offer than just their skills in a respective sport. They are fighting for what they think is right and many, many people agree with them (including me).

 

[Txhoopsalot]

Her education is not free and neither are the medical bills she incurred from her injury while playing basketball at Texas. I wish she landed at UCONN. Funny UCONN was recruiting a player that had not played a game of college basketball yet-but then again UCONN does that every year. If it is her vs. the NCAA I siding with her-just sayin.

Just a reminder. Prince was injured playing for USA basketball before her freshman year of college, not while playing at Texas.

 

[CTBballfan243]

I'm betting UConn fan's (who are in favor of paying student athletes) tune will change when UConn can't keep up with the power conference schools because the $$$ have become to great and all the big time recruits end up elsewhere. It will be interesting. That's when the split will occur with the NCAA. The big time power conference will break from the NCAA and pay the athletes. The smaller conferences that don't make the $$$ will stick with the NCAA and not pay their athletes. My guess (and hope) is that UConn will remain with the non-paying conferences.

 

[dogged1]

Some times the pot needs to be stirred and sometimes the soup just needs to simmer on its own for a bit.
But in any case, in this country, everyone has the right to redress a perceived injustice in a court of law.
After all we know that large powerful organizations would never take unfair advantage of individuals lacking the money and resources to fight them. Right?

 

[CocoHusky]

Just a reminder. Prince was injured playing for USA basketball before her freshman year of college, not while playing at Texas.

The medical bills I referenced were incurred while she was rehabbing at Texas.

As a 19-year old collegiate basketball player, no one should have to go through this, especially since I was under the care of my institution during the time of the hospital visit.

Oregon's Sedona Prince opens up about financial hardship

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[Figurehead]

The medical bills I referenced were incurred while she was rehabbing at Texas.

As a 19-year old collegiate basketball player, no one should have to go through this, especially since I was under the care of my institution during the time of the hospital visit.

Oregon's Sedona Prince opens up about financial hardship

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247sports.com

Then sue Texas?

 

[Sifaka]

A pair of current college athletes filed an antitrust lawsuit against the NCAA and all of the Power 5 conferences Monday morning, presenting the latest challenge to the association's rules prohibiting athletes from making endorsement money while in school.

I'm betting UConn fan's (who are in favor of paying student athletes) tune will change when UConn can't keep up with the power conference schools because the $$$ have become to great and all the big time recruits end up elsewhere. It will be interesting. That's when the split will occur with the NCAA. The big time power conference will break from the NCAA and pay the athletes. The smaller conferences that don't make the $$$ will stick with the NCAA and not pay their athletes. My guess (and hope) is that UConn will remain with the non-paying conferences.

The thread topic is a legal action regarding endorsements for monetary compensation. The totally different matter of schools potentially paying athletes cash for services is not in any way part of the lawsuit. There is no logical or illogical slippery slope connecting the two matters.

 

[CocoHusky]

Then sue Texas?

Sounds good and I'm not sure her current lawsuit has anything to do with her medical expenses. Here is the dilemma: NCAA member institutions like Texas are not required to provide long-term care for athletes who have exhausted their eligibility, graduated, or are no longer enrolled. Sedona Prince Transferred from Texas to Oregon. Oregon is not allowed to pay for medical expenses Sedona incurred while at Texas. The system and practice needs to be changed to a full insurance model so that both the injury and long care are covered. eg. Kyla Irwin got injured in late March and graduated from UCONN in May. Per the existing practices (please note I"m not saying this is what happened) UCONN would not have been required to cover her medical expenses past graduation.

 

[southie]

The medical bills I referenced were incurred while she was rehabbing at Texas.

As a 19-year old collegiate basketball player, no one should have to go through this, especially since I was under the care of my institution during the time of the hospital visit.

Oregon's Sedona Prince opens up about financial hardship

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247sports.com

She and her Mom elected to go see their own doctor(s) outside of Texas' care; I recall her going to NY for some consultations. Texas is not allowed to pay for that.

 

[CocoHusky]

She and her Mom elected to go see their own doctor(s) outside of Texas' care; I recall her going to NY for some consultations. Texas is not allowed to pay for that.

Texas chose not to pay. To reiterate the issue: NCAA member institutions are allowed to determine their own policies and procedures, and are not required to pay for their student-athlete’s full medical expenses. As long as schools can selectively choose which injury related expenses to pay for they will do so. That leaves parents and students to cover the remainder. If the best doctors are in NY and Texas valued Sedona Prince then a consultation would be the best thing for all concerned. Unless of course you think that the Prince family sought out a doctor in NY because they wanted to pick up some cheese cake in Brooklyn on the trip.

 

[southie]

Texas chose not to pay. To reiterate the issue: NCAA member institutions are allowed to determine their own policies and procedures, and are not required to pay for their student-athlete’s full medical expenses. As long as schools can selectively choose which injury related expenses to pay for they will do so. That leaves parents and students to cover the remainder. If the best doctors are in NY and Texas valued Sedona Prince then a consultation would be the best thing for all concerned. Unless of course you think that the Prince family sought out a doctor in NY because they wanted to pick up some cheese cake in Brooklyn on the trip.

She and her family went against what was being recommend by University medical staff and the doctor's with whom they consult. It was their choice to seek outside medical advice/services; they should pay for that under their own insurance, and not expect to send the bills to Texas without having received prior authorization.

Texas had a freshman football player who had an injury last season prior to the start of the season; he was sent to New York for a surgery. No issues with who's paying the bills as that student-athlete followed proper protocol as it relates to medical care.

 

[CocoHusky]

She and her family went against what was being recommend by University medical staff and the doctor's with whom they consult. It was their choice to seek outside medical advice/services; they should pay for that under their own insurance, and not expect to send the bills to Texas without having received prior authorization.

Texas had a freshman football player who had an injury last season prior to the start of the season; he was sent to New York for a surgery. No issues with who's paying the bills as that student-athlete followed proper protocol as it relates to medical care.

It seems that a consult with "outside" doctor was a great idea, give the lack of results from the first. I can't knock the parents for wanting the best care for their child. It is my understanding that Sedona also consulted with UCONN doctors on her recruiting visit.
I have often heard it said that football is king in Texas (maybe the entire country) but geez. A football player gets injured and the Texas protocol/authorization allows NY surgery? A women's basketball player get's hurt and the same protocol/authorization doesn't allow for NY consultation? Sounds like a Title IX violation to me. I think Texas should value the female athletes a little more. BTW I'm pretty sure the last thing the Prince family wanted to hear about was protocol and prior authorizations when you have an injured daughter who is not recovering as you were assured she would be.

 

[southie]

It seems that a consult with "outside" doctor was a great idea, give the lack of results from the first. I can't knock the parents for wanting the best care for their child. It is my understanding that Sedona also consulted with UCONN doctors on her recruiting visit.
I have often heard it said that football is king in Texas (maybe the entire country) but geez. A football player gets injured and the Texas protocol/authorization allows NY surgery? A women's basketball player get's hurt and the same protocol/authorization doesn't allow for NY consultation? Sounds like a Title IX violation to me. I think Texas should value the female athletes a little more. BTW I'm pretty sure the last thing the Prince family wanted to hear about was protocol and prior authorizations when you have an injured daughter who is not recovering as you were assured she would be.

I'm not sure what your stance is here wanting to blame Texas for everything. And, you sure seem to want to spin things to fit your agenda. Now your are crying "Title IX violation" to entertain yourself?

What's clear based on the actions we've seen recently is thati f Texas did anything wrong, Sedona would have sued. I wonder why she hasn't 1-2 years later . . .

 

[CocoHusky]

I'm not sure what your stance is here wanting to blame Texas for everything. And, you sure seem to want to spin things to fit your agenda. Now your are crying "Title IX violation" to entertain yourself?
What's clear based on the actions we've seen recently is thati f Texas did anything wrong, Sedona would have sued. I wonder why she hasn't 1-2 years later . . .

I have better ways of entertaining myself. Unrequested it was you who volunteer that Texas in treating football player differently that it was WBB players. I was trying to educate you that your example is a Title IX violation. Now I'll just forward your example to this office let them decide if Texas did nothing wrong.

Title IX Office Home

titleix.utexas.edu

 

[southie]

I have better ways of entertaining myself. Unrequested it was you who volunteer that Texas in treating football player differently that it was WBB players. I was trying to educate you that your example is a Title IX violation. Now I'll just forward your example to this office let them decide if Texas did nothing wrong.

Title IX Office Home

titleix.utexas.edu

You don't need to waste your time trying to educate me on anything unless you have some facts to support all these allegations you enjoy making.

The football player suffered his injury while at Texas practices during August camp, and then aggravated it again trying to rehabilitate during the season. Sedona was injured in Mexico priot to enrolling at Texas at an event which did not involve Texas. Texas medical staff advised his surgery with someone in New York; Sedona did not receive that advice from the Texas medical staff; she sought her own treatment. Most on here can see the forest through the trees . . .

 

[CocoHusky]

You don't need to waste your time trying to educate me on anything unless you have some facts to support all these allegations you enjoy making.
The football player suffered his injury while at Texas's practices during August camp, and then aggravated it again trying to rehabilitate during the season. Sedona was injured in Mexico priot to enrolling at Texas at an event which did not involve Texas. Most on here can see the forest through the trees . . .

Sedona Prince was already enrolled at the University of Texas when she injured in Mexico City. In fact she was transported directly from Mexico City to Austin,Texas for surgery. Karen met her coming off the plane. The tree that is in front of you that you are failing to acknowledge is this one:

"U Texas women’s basketball team, refused to cover all of her medical expenses from the injury, as well as the subsequent surgeries and rehabilitation."

Add This To Your List Of NCAA To-Do’s For Medical Expenses

$22,000: That’s the reality of the medical bills that Oregon women’s basketball player Sedona Prince is left with after a serious injury and post-surgery complications from her time with USA Basketball.

www.forbes.com

Another bonus fact is that as an enrolled student at Texas permission from the University of Texas was required and granted for Prince to play in this FIBA international event.

What was that Texas football players name anyway? I want to make sure my report and "facts" are correct.

 

[southie]

Sedona Prince was already enrolled at the University of Texas when she injured in Mexico City. In fact she was transported directly from Mexico City to Austin,Texas for surgery. Karen met her coming off the plane. The tree that is in front of you that you are failing to acknowledge is this one:

"U Texas women’s basketball team, refused to cover all of her medical expenses from the injury, as well as the subsequent surgeries and rehabilitation."

Add This To Your List Of NCAA To-Do’s For Medical Expenses

$22,000: That’s the reality of the medical bills that Oregon women’s basketball player Sedona Prince is left with after a serious injury and post-surgery complications from her time with USA Basketball.

www.forbes.com

Another bonus fact is that as an enrolled student at Texas permission from the University of Texas was required and granted for Prince to play in this FIBA international event.

What was that Texas football players name anyway? I want to make sure my report and "facts" are correct.

Wake me up when Sedona sues Texas for all these expenses you claim Texas is liable to pay. There's a really good reason why she hasn't sued Texas; keep your shovel handy, and you might dig it up . . .

 

[Kaizen]

Prince makes more noises in news than in basketball scoring.

Wait, I mean the Royal Prince ....

 

[CocoHusky]

Wake me up when Sedona sues Texas for all these expenses you claim Texas is liable to pay. There's a really good reason why she hasn't sued Texas; keep your shovel handy, and you might dig it up . . .

I will likely not be disturbing your slumber. You conscience however might, once you face the realization that your institution stuck and injured player and her family with a $22,000 medical expense. Sleep well.

 

[southie]

I will likely not be disturbing your slumber. You conscience however might, once you face the realization that your institution stuck and injured player and her family with a $22,000 medical expense. Sleep well.

 

[CocoHusky]

 

[Figurehead]

It seems that a consult with "outside" doctor was a great idea, give the lack of results from the first. I can't knock the parents for wanting the best care for their child. It is my understanding that Sedona also consulted with UCONN doctors on her recruiting visit.
I have often heard it said that football is king in Texas (maybe the entire country) but geez. A football player gets injured and the Texas protocol/authorization allows NY surgery? A women's basketball player get's hurt and the same protocol/authorization doesn't allow for NY consultation? Sounds like a Title IX violation to me. I think Texas should value the female athletes a little more. BTW I'm pretty sure the last thing the Prince family wanted to hear about was protocol and prior authorizations when you have an injured daughter who is not recovering as you were assured she would be.

Texas does not value womens sports, football is king, Title IX is an annoyance. So they could not dig up 22k? Peanuts for an athletic department if it wanted to do the right thing. Spot on cocohusky.

 

[eebmg]

Texas does not value womens sports, football is king, Title IX is an annoyance. So they could not dig up 22k? Peanuts for an athletic department if it wanted to do the right thing. Spot on cocohusky.

Well, the did get Vic Schaefer (~ 2M/yr) so

 

[PoppaBear]

Well, the did get Vic Schaefer (~ 2M/yr) so

Texas has traditionally been very generous to women's programs. Here are some recent stats..

The University of Texas at Austin spent $18,537,344 on women's teams and received $5,537,642 in revenue. On average, The University of Texas at Austin gave female athletes $10,752 in sports related student aid.

There are 9 head coaches for women's teams. They make, on average, $321,122. They are supported by 18 assistant coaches who earn, on average, $92,377.