Notre Dame Joining ACC

[CTBasketball]

Still, I think the Big 10 needs to make a move here and UConn and Rutgers are logical choices. They might even want to consider Temple and Memphis/Louisville down the road.

The Big 10 would be a logical choice as well, even though UConn would get pummeled in football every year for a while. Basketball we would be top 3 in the league every year.

EDIT:

The Big12 was looking into Florida State and Clemson, but I've never heard of UConn and the Big12 in the same sentence.

 

[Mr. Wonderful]

Still, I think the Big 10 needs to make a move here and UConn and Rutgers are logical choices. They might even want to consider Temple and Memphis/Louisville down the road.

It would take a lot of convincing for me to think the Big 10 needs to expand, never mind expanding by adding Temple or Memphis.

Penn St. has a better chance of joining the NFL than either of those two have of getting a Big 10 invite, and UConn/Rutgers chances are only slightly better than that.

 

[CTBasketball]

• The Big 10 currently has 12 teams, but they are looking to expand (hence why they pushed for ND so hard).
• The Big12 has 10 teams currently, and they have been looking to expand as well.

UConn doesn't really fit into the Big10 but it can work. The Big12 has been looking at Louisville, Memphis (kinda), and Cincinnati for their 11th and 12th teams. This leaves UConn and Rutgers as the remaining BigEast teams with football and basketball both at the FBS level in geographical convenience of Big10 schools. It only makes sense.

 

[CL82]

I can't believe the ACC caved and let ND join without football. If they joined with football the rumor was that UConn would be added also. Taking ND without football kills that idea. UConn needs to get out of the Big East.

Newsflash - the ACC is now the Big East. Look at the schools, look at the partial for ND, with us gone they will get the crap timeslots on ESPN. I only hope it turns out to be as big a shitfest for them as it has been for us.

 

[cohenzone]

Newsflash - the ACC is now the Big East. Look at the schools, look at the partial for ND, with us gone they will get the crap timeslots on ESPN. I only hope it turns out to be as big a ****fest for them as it has been for us.

I'm dense. Why does any conference want ND without football? They did nothing notable for the BE without football that anyone in the wider world of sports care about. I don't mean to demean their other successful programs, but women's hoops and soccer just aren't what makes ND important to any conference's health. Is the deal they made to play games against league teams what makes them attractive? TV revenue sharing?

 

[CTBasketball]

They want ND because when its TV deal ends in 2014 they will have to make a move. That's when the ACC makes an offer to make them a full ACC member.

 

[upstater]

Newsflash - the ACC is now the Big East. Look at the schools, look at the partial for ND, with us gone they will get the crap timeslots on ESPN. I only hope it turns out to be as big a ****fest for them as it has been for us.

This is right.

Does the ACC actually believe that ND is guaranteed to join should the time come when ND is looking for a conference?

What is to prevent ND from joining the Big Ten?

 

[upstater]

They want ND because when its TV deal ends in 2014 they will have to make a move. That's when the ACC makes an offer to make them a full ACC member.

ND to the B10 when they can't be independent any longer.

ND's alums are heavy in Chicago, Milwaukee, Ohio and PA. Yes, lots in NYC and the east coast, but mainly in the midwest.

They will take a B10 schedule against regular rivals eventually, add USC and Navy and maybe one other. Done.

The ACC gets them nowhere outside of BC and maybe Pitt.

 

[caw]

I, like you, believe #1 is the best move for the league. I hadn't even considered #4, but I think such a move is highly unlikely. What other conference would even allow that? UConn couldn't leave football in the BE and take everything else to the B10. Would make little sense even though the BE has added SD St. under similar provisions. I just think at that point the BE falls apart. No ND, no UConn, Louisville to B12 potentially. Why bother? No big contract either.

What I don't understand is this: what does the ACC gain by adding Georgetown? I don't understand that at all.

I agree on Georgetown, though Cuse would be able to maintain it's rivalry and it is a good academic school in the mid-atlantic. I can't imagine Maryland would like it though. I just don't see this as a great win for the ACC, though ND wins huge.

I was just throwing that out there about my fourth point. Trying to think (a bit) outside the box.

I don't think ND leaving is really that detrimental to the conference. If ND had been in BE football than it would have been. ND was a decent but largely mediocre basketball team nationally. They are replaceable. Maybe they have a large fanbase for football, but I'm not sure how much that carries over to other sports. Heck if SDSU was being added for all sports it would be almost a fair trade (from a basketball POV).

 

[UConn Esq]

And just when this conference couldnt make any less sense..

 

[caw]

They want ND because when its TV deal ends in 2014 they will have to make a move. That's when the ACC makes an offer to make them a full ACC member.

And ND says "thanks, but no thanks"

The bigger news here is the new $50 million buyout for departing members. That locks FSU, Clemson and any other decent football school in the ACC for the foreseeable future. Great for the crap football schools like Duke but sucks for any school that takes football seriously.

 

[UConnSwag11]

this goes to probe what pitino said when he said that the ACC raiding the big east is not for football or anything other sports, its bc they are threatened and pissed the the big east has become the premier basketball conference

 

[UConnSwag11]

if we go i hope its to the acc or big 10, i would love to stay in the big east regardless of the schools, we would still be a national powerhouse, recruit like crazy, have the garden, have the big east tourney, and still play very hard OOC... just trying to stay optimistic

 

[CTBasketball]

this goes to probe what pitino said when he said that the ACC raiding the big east is not for football or anything other sports, its bc they are threatened and pissed the the big east has become the premier basketball conference

Yes.

And ND says "thanks, but no thanks"

The bigger news here is the new $50 million buyout for departing members. That locks FSU, Clemson and any other decent football school in the ACC for the foreseeable future. Great for the crap football schools like Duke but sucks for any school that takes football seriously.

Exactly.

Notre Dame will look to stay independent as long as it has its TV deal. If that deal gets an extension or renewed in 2014-2015, then ND will be an independent for the foreseeable future.

 

[HooperScooper]

Andy Katz is reporting that the ACC will stick with 15 basketball schools and ND is the last ACC addition.

Andy Katz ‏@ESPNAndyKatz
Agree. RT @mcmurphyespn: ACC will not go to 16 teams in hoops, sources tell @espn. Notre Dame will be league's last addition

http://twitter.com/intent/user?screen_name=ESPNAndyKatz

"Hello Jim Delaney, this is Susan Herbst from the University of Connecticut. Please take us!"

 

[Danzz]

are we next?

Probably not. If ND joined for football then I'd say we had a good chance but ND is going to be to the ACC what it was to the BE. Our chances of going to the ACC are actually worse. The ACC would have to add another football school to consider Uconn. The ACC could add Uconn and say Rutgers but my guess this is a long shot.

 

[Adios]

Probably not. If ND joined for football then I'd say we had a good chance but ND is going to be to the ACC what it was to the BE. Our chances of going to the ACC are actually worse. The ACC would have to add another football school to consider Uconn. The ACC could add Uconn and say Rutgers but my guess this is a long shot.

In a way, they did join for football. 5 games a year. I don't think it's over yet.

 

[Ts5034]

Idk. Too me it always seemed that ND and the Big 10 made a lot more sense. I thought UConn to the ACC was kind of a long shot and the chances look even worse now. What is the best case scenario if we stayed in the Big East?

 

[Huskymaniac]

The Big 10 needs to expand to stay competitive with TV contracts. They need to gain footholds in more TV markets. I agree that Memphis and Temple (Philly) suck so maybe not those two. UConn and Rutgers gives the B10 the greater NYC viewing audience. No brainer in my opinion. They could also go south and add Kansas, Oklahoma or Louisville. Obviously Louisville is the lowest on that totem pole. I say the Big 10 tries to match what the ACC is doing and expands to at least 14, if not 16, teams. So add UConn, Rutgers, Kansas and Oklahoma and let the B12 take Louisville and Cinci.

 

[freescooter]

Idk. Too me it always seemed that ND and the Big 10 made a lot more sense. I thought UConn to the ACC was kind of a long shot and the chances look even worse now. What is the best case scenario if we stayed in the Big East?

They don't. the Big 10 is made up of major public universities. Only Northwestern is not one and for the most part they are odd man out. They are all huge institutions of varying quality, mostly good to excellent. All offer a wide array of graduate programs, I htink they all have medical schools and law schools...Notre Dame has 10,000 undergrads. Ohio state has 50,000. It really is closer to BC, Wake Forest, Miami than to anyone in the big 10.

 

[CTBasketball]

UConn to the Big10 along with Rutgers would make sense. Either that or stay in the Big East and run it like Gonzaga does in the WCC.

 

[upstater]

They don't. the Big 10 is made up of major public universities. Only Northwestern is not one and for the most part they are odd man out. They are all huge institutions of varying quality, mostly good to excellent. All offer a wide array of graduate programs, I htink they all have medical schools and law schools...Notre Dame has 10,000 undergrads. Ohio state has 50,000. It really is closer to BC, Wake Forest, Miami than to anyone in the big 10.

Why are you looking at university commonalities when you should be looking at stuff relevant to athletics?

I mean, Notre Dame has more in common with U. San Francisco than it does U. Indiana (if you ignore geography) but that doesn't mean very much in this case. ND is a national brand. It's alumni are located largely in the Midwest. Chicago is a major pipeline as is Pennsylvania.

If I had to guess, it's a 50/50 proposition that ND joins the Big10 when it decides to go all in.

 

[caw]

Taking out academics and other things, how would you make the best ACC sports conference if you were the ACC?

I would add three teams in Georgetown, UConn and UL. You might be able to sub in Nova (non-football) for Georgetown but that's the only change. That would be a killer basketball conference and a decent addition in football with UConn and UL.

Almost a shame for this not to happen.

Duke, UNC, UConn, UL, Cuse are all top 10 basketball programs. Georgetown, NC State, Maryland, Pitt are all very good basketball programs. ND and FSU have been good recently. Then you have Miami, Clemson, BC, VTech, UVA, Wake and GTech.

For football, well it's still not great, but it's not a downgrade. It does give you two non-football schools, which is vexing, but it limits their influence to 1/9th rather than 1/8th. Shame it won't work financially, or academically (UL).

Even if you split the conference into two you end up with nice groups:

North:
UConn
Cuse
Pitt
BC
VTech
UVA
Maryland
UL
Gtown

South
UNC
Duke
Miami
FSU
Clemson
Wake
GTech
NCState
ND

I hate the ACC but that would be fun to watch.

 

[CTBasketball]

The ACC said they are sticking with 15 teams for basketball. So the ACC is pretty much out of the question unless they're working behind the scenes.

 

[caw]

The ACC said they are sticking with 15 teams for basketball. So the ACC is pretty much out of the question unless they're working behind the scenes.

They said the same at 12 and 14. Who knows? Maybe UConn should take over as the lead for BE expansion though.

 

[CTBasketball]

Your guess is as good as mine. I just don't understand why UConn is not assertive in its conference-realignment decisions.

 

[Excalibur]

Your guess is as good as mine. I just don't understand why UConn is not assertive in its conference-realignment decisions.

No evidence to say that we aren't.

 

[01Neaggrad02]

Screw them. Screw them and the ACC. I do not see them winning the ACC titles just as they do not win the Big East titles.

 

[baggerbob]

Just my personal believe but, usually when Swofford says something, behind the scenes he is doing something else. Look how SU, Pitt left, now look how Notre Dame head of expansion committee, agreed to play 5 conference games, but wouldn't in Big East. I still believe UCONN ends up 16, and before the 5 yr lookin. This meeting of the minds didn't just happen in 2 months, someone on your expansion board said ND killed footbal split in 2004. They've wanted to get back to playing Miami,BC and now they will. They are preparing their Alumni for the full move to the ACC and UCONN fills the 16th spot.