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pj said:
Where else besides the Midwest is ASU going to find opponents? The question here is why ASU wants a hockey program.
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You beat me to it. This was my exact question. Why is ASU doing this? Based on Phoenix Coyote Attendance it doesn't feel like there is some burning passion for the sport in the area. Why all of the additional cost for what likely will be very little return? This feels like having Alaska Fairbanks start a beach volleyball team. Sure they might be able to do it, but why?
 
Ldandy said:
You beat me to it. This was my exact question. Why is ASU doing this? Based on Phoenix Coyote Attendance it doesn't feel like there is some burning passion for the sport in the area. Why all of the additional cost for what likely will be very little return? This feels like having Alaska Fairbanks start a beach volleyball team. Sure they might be able to do it, but why?
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http://www.azcentral.com/story/spor...vate-hockey-team-to-ncaa-division-i/19227825/

A $32 million donation from a guy named Don Mullet.
Plus, the most likely 1st round draft pick this year for the NHL is from Scottsdale, AZ. (Not common in the SW)

Auston Matthews
http://www.eliteprospects.com/player.php?player=199898
 
Waquoit said:
We wouldn't be a "date" if we went B1G for hockey only. We would be the lowly pissboy.
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Sorry but that is the same misguided view that has us in the AAC, that kept us from a 7 year home and away with ND in football. That arrogance is not how JC built ou bb program or how KO talks today. Anyone anytime anywhere to get ahead. We adopt that view we will get there. If not we keep sliding down the rabbit hole
 
NYUConn said:
The ASU addition makes sense at first glance, but once you peel back the layers I can't see how it's a good idea. The red flags that I see:
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I may be wrong and ASU may get the nod as team 8, but I would be very weary of them if I were a B1G school president.
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Out of curiosity, I checked the price to fly Minneapolis-Phoenix vs Minneapolis-Columbus OH some days in January 2017.
$300 to Phoenix, $900 to Columbus
Just one example, but doesnt seem a big expense (other than time). And there is the bonus of connecting with AZ alums.

Yes AZ is not hockey territory, but things are different for a college -- you get students who want to support their school, and then can get drawn in if the environment is right. I'm sure the NHL doesnt help itself with its ticket prices.

ASU is certainly an experiment. Similar to Denver starting a lax program a while back, which has turned into a success.
 
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ASU is creating a program for players who are from the southwest and want to stay there. The NHL's expansion into the Sun Belt has actually succeeded in creating grassroots movements for youth involvement in hockey. #1 pick in the upcoming draft is a kid from AZ. It's a matter of time before other schools without natural ice step up. The rule that now prohibits D3 schools from establishing D1 hockey programs sucks. Imagine Sewanee with a D1 program. Start forming a conference with UAH, etc. Would be nice to have them instead of some SEC schools.
 
Rappin'Rodney said:
Reminds me of an excerpt from an article I once read in the Chicago Tribune:

Penn State's Joe Paterno again has publicly pushed for Big Ten expansion, this time during an interview on ESPN.

"Right now we play -- and then we sit and watch," he said. "We were through (with the regular season) Nov. 21st. I think we put ourselves at a little bit of a disadvantage in that we're out of it soon and everybody's talking about everyone but the Big Ten."
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Paterno reiterated his desire to add Rutgers, Pittsburgh and/or Syracuse to create a Big Ten title game.

"Even Connecticut," he said.
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Yes, Joe--even Connecticut.
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http://articles.chicagotribune.com/...-delany-louisville-and-south-florida-big-east

One source described those terms as "not prohibitive," meaning it would not dissuade the Big Ten from attempting to add one or more from the Big East.

Big Ten commissioner Jim Delany declined comment Thursday.
 
huskymedic said:
Big Ten: 'It's A Win-Win'
Opening Arms to Notre Dame Born From Necessity
http://www.collegehockeynews.com/news/2016/03/24_big_ten_its_a_win-win.php
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Some good stuff there.

CHN: So this wasn't about leading to football, it was just about helping hockey?

Traviolia: Yes, it's been a hockey-specific conversation the entire time.

CHN: Notre Dame probably would've done this three years ago. Was it just not the right timing then for the Big Ten?

Traviolia: I think a lot of things have to evolve naturally. We got to six schools with Penn State, we wanted to compete, we started it. At the time, we hadn't done the affiliate membership yet. So (forming a hockey conference) was really, "Let's get it started, let's learn from experience, and see how it goes."
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CHN: Back to Notre Dame, the trickiness of it — I have to imagine the television aspect of it had to at least be a tricky aspect. How hard was it to work out?

Traviolia: To be honest, it was a non-issue. We feel we have a great television arrangement with BTN. Notre Dame has their own TV deal (with NBC Sports). Easy because we already had a road map with how we work with Hopkins.

CHN: But Hopkins doesn't have a huge deal with NBC like Notre Dame has.

Traviolia: Correct. But they do have a nice television relationship with ESPN for their home lacrosse matches. And it was important to them. And we're not adding affiliate members because we feel we need more TV or more exposure.

So it was really, "You have your TV deal, you keep that, you control the rights to your home games, and the Big Ten has the rights to all the games on the other campuses, and the conference owns the rights to the tournament." So there really wasn't a lot of talk about that, because the principle was pretty basic.
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CHN: The natural next question is about Arizona State. They're hanging out there, and bringing them in would give you an even eight teams. Does this open the door for them?

Traviolia: We don't talk about hypotheticals. We're very happy with Notre Dame. This was an ideal and there was a need competitively to increase our numbers, but we're not about just growing to get bigger, it has to be the right fit. The best example of how important it is, we were at 11 full-time members for 20 years. Yes it's a little funky on the scheduling side, but you figure it out.
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jimva said:
Sorry but that is the same misguided view that has us in the AAC, that kept us from a 7 year home and away with ND in football. That arrogance is not how JC built ou bb program or how KO talks today. Anyone anytime anywhere to get ahead. We adopt that view we will get there. If not we keep sliding down the rabbit hole
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Hey Jim, wait for the shake.
 
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ASU had a private donanations of $ 32million to go from Club to D1 hockey.
That did not include a rink which will be funded separately
Their long term goal is to get a PAC 12 league going.
PSU had $100million in private money.
Their vision is UofA , Colo , UCLA, Cal, Utah, and at least one from Wash and Oregon. Adding the sport
How much did UConn spend?
 
Butch said:
Don't forget the cost to build Freitas.
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We built Freitas to join the MAAC. I thought he was referring to moving from AHA to HEA? If he meant moving from D3 to MAAC, then add Freitas too.
 
What does Rutgers AD Pat Hobbs think about adding ice hockey?
http://www.nj.com/rutgers/index.ssf/2016/03/rutgers_ice_hockey_pat_hobbs.html#incart_river_index

>>"The honest answer is not in the short run,'' he said. "I don't want to kid people about the challenge of doing that. You have to keep an eye toward your finances. And we're not in a financial position to do that here right now.''

However, Hobbs noted that Penn State received $100 million in private funds to get its ice hockey program to varsity status.

"Someone wants to hand me $100 million, I'll consider just about any sport,'' Hobbs quipped.<<
 
huskymedic said:
What does Rutgers AD Pat Hobbs think about adding ice hockey?
http://www.nj.com/rutgers/index.ssf/2016/03/rutgers_ice_hockey_pat_hobbs.html#incart_river_index

>>"The honest answer is not in the short run,'' he said. "I don't want to kid people about the challenge of doing that. You have to keep an eye toward your finances. And we're not in a financial position to do that here right now.''

However, Hobbs noted that Penn State received $100 million in private funds to get its ice hockey program to varsity status.

"Someone wants to hand me $100 million, I'll consider just about any sport,'' Hobbs quipped.<<
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No surprise. Jersey is a decent hockey state with some decent recruiting areas around Bergen, Morris, and Monmouth counties. There has been talk of Rutgers hockey since the B1G added hockey; but, they don't have the money to do so and don't have the facility for it. At least Hobbs is being honest, better than what Hermann's response would have been. I believe years ago one the proposed and forgotten replacements for the RAC would have included a downtown New Brunswick arena that would have been for basketball and hockey.
 
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Here are the commonalities so far with B1G affiliate members (Johns Hopkins lacrosse and Notre Dame hockey):

1. Johns Hopkins and Notre Dame are both elite universities. Hopkins is AAU with major research money. While Notre Dame is not AAU, it is still an elite university. It just has an emphasis on college teaching instead of research.

2. Both JHU and ND contributed to a need in the B1G. JHU was needed to have six lacrosse members to sponsor the sport within the conference. For hockey, six isn't an ideal number, so adding a seventh school made sense. I think sounding the alarms on B1G hockey is unwarranted. The major hockey programs in the B1G are simply in an unanticipated down cycle at the moment. It is very rare for all to be down at the same time. This is simply a short term event. However, six will never be ideal for a hockey conference, even when the historic programs are all winning at the same time.

3. Both Hopkins Lacrosse and Notre Dame Hockey have their own exclusive television contracts. The B1G does not give any money to Hopkins or Notre Dame. Likewise, Notre Dame and Hopkins keep 100% of their revenue from the exclusive TV contracts each have - Notre Dame Hockey with NBC Sports Network and Hopkins Lacrosse with ESPN. If Ohio State Hockey plays @ Notre Dame, the game is on NBS Sports Network and Notre Dame keeps 100% of that money. If Notre Dame Hockey is playing @ Ohio State, the game is on BTN (or another contracted channel), and the fulltime members of the B1G keep 100% of that money. Same scenario in lacrosse with Johns Hopkins. For both hockey and lacrosse, the B1G owns the exclusive rights to the conference tournament. Therefore, affiliate members do not receive any payout from the conference tournament television revenue. Johns Hopkins will host the Men's Lacrosse Conference Tournament this year, but the games are not part of JHU's contract with ESPN, so the revenue will not go to JHU for hosting the tournament, it will still stay with the full B1G members.

So if we are starting to see the formation of a pattern for sports affiliates in the B1G, it will only involve schools with strong academics that add to a specialized sport in the B1G (which honestly I only see lacrosse and hockey fitting this category), and they will be schools that do not take any revenue from the full membership of the B1G because they have their own media deals.

At least that is what JHU and ND have in common.
 
When asked about the Big Ten he all but got up and danced on the table. UConn and ND -> Big Ten. Coming to a discussion board near you. ;)
 
Mr. Conehead said:
No surprise. Jersey is a decent hockey state with some decent recruiting areas around Bergen, Morris, and Monmouth counties. There has been talk of Rutgers hockey since the B1G added hockey; but, they don't have the money to do so and don't have the facility for it. At least Hobbs is being honest, better than what Hermann's response would have been. I believe years ago one the proposed and forgotten replacements for the RAC would have included a downtown New Brunswick arena that would have been for basketball and hockey.
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What's the plan for the RAC today? Renovate, right?

Though it needs to be updated, the RAC can be amazingly loud, when full and the fans are into the action. That just hasn't happened in while.
 
CL82 said:
What's the plan for the RAC today? Renovate, right?
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The plan is for a new multi-use facility next to the RAC, as well as renovating the RAC.

– The proposed RAC Multi-Use Facility will satisfy program needs for Rutgers basketball program (practice????), and other varsity teams currently accommodated in recreation facilities. The new Multi-Use Facility, attached to the RAC, will be home to men’s and women’s basketball, gymnastics, wrestling and volleyball.

Louis Brown Athletic Center (RAC) renovation and addition – The Rutgers Athletic Center (RAC) is an 8,000 seat venue, home to the men’s and women’s basketball teams. The master plan proposes to renovate the RAC to accommodate evolving program needs and to address qualitative concerns within the facility.
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One thing is for certain, the cycle seems to be shifting. It usual does in college hockey, East Coast some years, Midwest some years.

In this tourney the classic WCHA is 3-0 against Hockey East (I still can't utter BIG or NCHC hockey). Duluth over Providence was huge considering they barely got in the tourney & the Friars are defending champs. North Dakota destroyed Northeastern. Notre Dame, also a former WCHA/CCHA member, played well against Michigan (WCHA & CCHA), but lost in OT.

Michigan won't get past North Dakota.

But with BC and even Boston U, Hockey East is alive and well.

I'd like to see St. Cloud State and Quinnipiac in the finals. Keep the streak of first time NCs going. The homer in me wants to root for St. Cloud State, but my neighbors played at Quinni during the dark days of new d1 status. I'm torn.
 
Gfunk said:
One thing is for certain, the cycle seems to be shifting. It usual does in college hockey, East Coast some years, Midwest some years.

In this tourney the classic WCHA is 3-0 against Hockey East (I still can't utter BIG or NCHC hockey). Duluth over Providence was huge considering they barely got in the tourney & the Friars are defending champs. North Dakota destroyed Northeastern. Notre Dame, also a former WCHA/CCHA member, played well against Michigan (WCHA & CCHA), but lost in OT.

Michigan won't get past North Dakota.

But with BC and even Boston U, Hockey East is alive and well.

I'd like to see St. Cloud State and Quinnipiac in the finals. Keep the streak of first time NCs going. The homer in me wants to root for St. Cloud State, but my neighbors played at Quinni during the dark days of new d1 status. I'm torn.
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Claiming Michigan as a WCHA team and ND as a Hockey East team is a stretch.
 
brasssbonanzaa said:
Claiming Michigan as a WCHA team and ND as a Hockey East team is a stretch.
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Dude I'm respecting the history, really, of the WCHA. Still pissed about BIG Hokcey, besides being a fan, all other sports & an alum: ). Michigan won most of its NCs as a WCHA member. They were there for 30 years as a charter member.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Western_Collegiate_Hockey_Association

I'm just being whiny.

Glad the tourney has started, love it so far.

As I said, hoping for a Qunnipiac/St. Cloud - new blood. These are the two teams that have impressed me most this year.

Who you picking? Who do you want to win it?
 
dayooper said:
Meh, Michigan has no defense. They got kids who can score, but no one on the blue line who can defend it.
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You're right, I had qualified it in my tweet prediction that it would only hold true if they got goaltending out of Racine.
 
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