Notre Dame 2024-25 Season

[Gate81]

one more foul call on LSU (which should have been called) late in its game against Stanford and it would have fallen from the top 10!

 

[Blueballer]

Kind of like certain teams full court pressing in the fourth quarter up by 40.

The subs were in including a new walk on and the shot clock was on.

I also recall some on the ND post game thread saying ND would never shoot 55% from three again. Odd that that they shot 66% today.

Yeah against a really bad team. And as for that last basket that Prosper made- Take the SCV.

 

[Dillon77]

Yeah against a really bad team. And as for that last basket that Prosper made- Take the SCV.

I take it you mean "shot clock violation?"
Just out of interest, did you watch the game or are you reacting to the overall score and/or play-by-play logs?

The main reason I bring it up is that ND did sub in a practice player who was playing in her very first collegiate game and the other players were trying to set up the walk-on. This is pretty much pro forma for any team at any time. The player -- Luci Jensen -- I believe missed her three (badly). At that point, I agree that the other players probably should've dribbled out the clock, Was a good initial intent -- after that, enough. But the second stringers got caught in the moment. (I've seen Hidalgo dribble clocks out before a minute was left....).

A lot of P5 teams played mis-matched teams yesterday and it's hard to gauge when to call off the horses: ND had this one won by the end of the first quarter, so It's a challenge. Eastern Michigan largely played its starters to the end while Ivey tried to "empty the bench" of whatever subs she had.

 

[Blueballer]

I take it you mean "shot clock violation?"
Just out of interest, did you watch the game or are you reacting to the overall score and/or play-by-play logs?

The main reason I bring it up is that ND did sub in a practice player who was playing in her very first collegiate game and the other players were trying to set up the walk-on. This is pretty much pro forma for any team at any time. The player -- Luci Jensen -- I believe missed her three (badly). At that point, I agree that the other players probably should've dribbled out the clock, Was a good initial intent -- after that, enough. But the second stringers got caught in the moment. (I've seen Hidalgo dribble clocks out before a minute was left....).

A lot of P5 teams played mis-matched teams yesterday and it's hard to gauge when to call off the horses: ND had this one won by the end of the first quarter, so It's a challenge. Eastern Michigan largely played its starters to the end while Ivey tried to "empty the bench" of whatever subs she had.

I'd say shooting with 13 seconds left is a bit overboard regardless of who watched the game and who didn't and who played and who didn't and who pressed and who didn't.

 

[DallasDomer]

I'd say shooting with 13 seconds left is a bit overboard regardless of who watched the game and who didn't and who played and who didn't and who pressed and who didn't.

I will let coach Ivey know immediately.

 

[Dillon77]

I'd say shooting with 13 seconds left is a bit overboard regardless of who watched the game and who didn't and who played and who didn't and who pressed and who didn't.

So much for having a conversation.
I differed with you on one point and agreed with you on another.
But you're not here to have a back and forth: You're just here to diss and double down, as you did with your Hannah Hidalgo comments a few weeks back.

Let's see if you make similar comments for scores of other teams in similar situations...for some reason I doubt it.

 

[Blueballer]

Let's see if you make similar comments for scores of other teams in similar situations...for some reason I doubt it.

I have and I will. (Obviously the highly ranked programs are the ones that will garner the attention). Just have to file all of the above in the agree to disagree department.

 

[GoChips20]

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Former ND forward Sam Brunelle is medically retiring. Truth be told I didn’t realize she was playing professionally. Brunelle’s career is a good example of how recruiting rankings don’t always bear out. Brunelle committed to ND shortly after the magical 2018 title run but her freshman year was her best season and she struggled with injury and fitness after that, eventually finding a new home at Virginia. It’s sad that she never became a star on the court but she always seemed like a terrific young person and I’m sure she’ll be successful at whatever she decides to do next.

 

[Dillon77]

 

[cancontent]

It's unfortunate to see how injuries shortened her career. But like her post says, she did get to experience a pro career which is more than a lot of athletes once they graduate. Wishing her the best.

 

[Dillon77]

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Former ND forward Sam Brunelle is medically retiring. Truth be told I didn’t realize she was playing professionally. Brunelle’s career is a good example of how recruiting rankings don’t always bear out. Brunelle committed to ND shortly after the magical 2018 title run but her freshman year was her best season and she struggled with injury and fitness after that, eventually finding a new home at Virginia. It’s sad that she never became a star on the court but she always seemed like a terrific young person and I’m sure she’ll be successful at whatever she decides to do next.

I remember:

• Following her ascension in the high school and AAU levels before announcing her commitment proudly with her HS teammates -- and buddy Azzi Fudd -- to come to ND.
• Watching her first collegiate basketball game: a win for Notre Dame over Fordham at the Rose Hill Gymnasium. My son sat to my left, Marina Mabrey and her mom two rows back and a very tall commit named Nat Marshall immediately to my right. Was a tough game, but Sam and Anaya Peoples helped ND pull it out.
• Her bombing out Florida State and shining on the post-game interview. As noted, her best season at ND was her first.
• Feeling a bit sad when MM retired, Coach Ivey came in and shifted away from the Princeton-based system that took advantage of Sam's offensive strengths (and partially hid her drawbacks). Injuries, issues coming back from them in part due to Covid and lack of access to trainers. And, then, Maddy Westbeld proved to be the better fit for what Coach Ivey was after.

Still, Sam did what was asked, playing out of position at center or flip-flopping with Westbeld.

• Took advantage of ND's academic and social opportunities and graduated before transferring to UVA for grad school and two more years.
• Going home to her beloved Virginia area.

We all know not everyone keeps rising to the next level(s), but Sam kept competing. She's had an eventful run and should be proud of all her accomplishments on and off the court. Best of luck in what comes next....Have no doubt she'll excel and hopefully she'll be happy, as well.

 

[DallasDomer]

At the start of the Loyola MD game they announced no Citron and no Koval for precautionary reasons. Caught me by surprise but ND did add two walk ons, Bella Tehrani a 6'3" forward and Luci Jensen a 5'10" guard.

 

[DallasDomer]

I have and I will. (Obviously the highly ranked programs are the ones that will garner the attention). Just have to file all of the above in the agree to disagree department.

Did you express your displeasure when UConn shot with 0:35 left and Allie Ziebell missed Three Point Jumper while they were leading Iowa State 101-68?

Or when Jana El Alfy missed Three Point Jumper with 22 seconds left leading Louisville 85-52?

Or when Allie Ziebell missed Three Point Jumper with 23 seconds left leading Holy Cross 88-52?

Or when Allie Ziebell missed Three Point Jumper with 11 seconds left while leading FDU 85-41?

Or when KK Arnold made Jumper with 44 seconds left while leading Boston U 86-32?

I didn't see any but I'm willing to let you point them out.

 

[oldude]

Did you express your displeasure when UConn shot with 0:35 left and Allie Ziebell missed Three Point Jumper while they were leading Iowa State 101-68?

Or when Jana El Alfy missed Three Point Jumper with 22 seconds left leading Louisville 85-52?

Or when Allie Ziebell missed Three Point Jumper with 23 seconds left leading Holy Cross 88-52?

Or when Allie Ziebell missed Three Point Jumper with 11 seconds left while leading FDU 85-41?

Or when KK Arnold made Jumper with 44 seconds left while leading Boston U 86-32?

I didn't see any but I'm willing to let you point them out.

As someone who genuinely appreciates the use of factual statistics to make a point during a disagreement, I must say that I am impressed that you took the time and effort to scroll through the play-by-play of at least 5 UConn games to come up with the last minute shots you cited. If it had been me in your place, I would’ve let it slide, because I really have other things to do. But to each his own.

Oh by the way, Geno and just about every other coach in basketball expects their team to run their offense and get a shot if there is more than 30 seconds on the clock, regardless of the score. This is particularly true if you have a bunch of bench players who don’t get a lot of PT. Coaches want to see how they execute in game situations. So unless the 3 examples you cited with less than 30 seconds occurred with more time on the shot clock than on the game clock, they are not a valid argument.

The same applies to the shot by Prosper that Blueballer cites with 13 seconds left. Prosper is a reserve and if there was anything less than 13 seconds on the shot clock, I have no problem with her taking a shot at that point of the game.

But I think that we all agree that taking a shot when your team is up big and the game clock is about to run out before the shot clock is just not cool…..unless you’re playing in the NBA in-season tournament and point differential is the tiebreaker.

My final thought. The coolest thing I have seen at the end of games was something Nika Muhl started doing a few years ago, during the last possession when UConn had the game in the bag. She would dribble the ball out towards mid court with time running out. With a few seconds left Nika would place the ball down on the court and walk away. Now that was cool.

 

[Dillon77]

ND Trounces Loyola (MD) 97-54 Behind Hidalgo's 33, Miles' Triple Double

Loyola came in with a number of key injuries and ND added some "precautionary" "did not plays" with Kate Koval (second such designation) and Soni Citron (her first since returning from an injury earlier this season).

That said, once the game got going, ND got good games from transfers Liza Karlen (15 points) and a double-double by Liatu King (18 points on 9-12 shooting, 10 rebounds).

However, the game belonged to Hidalgo, who scored a season-high 33 points on 13-19 shooting (4-7 from three). She also had 5 steals. And Miles had 18 points (6-11 shooting including 4-6 from three), 11 rebounds and 10 assists. ND shot 10-20 from three for 50 percent.

Loyola was led by Laura Salmeron who scored 23 points -- all in the second half.

ND is now off for a week until Dec. 29th, when they resume their ACC schedule against Virginia.

 

[Frankus]

ND Trounces Loyola (MD) 97-54 Behind Hidalgo's 33, Miles' Triple Double

Loyola came in with a number of key injuries and ND added some "precautionary" "did not plays" with Kate Koval (second such designation) and Soni Citron (her first since returning from an injury earlier this season).

That said, once the game got going, ND got good games from transfers Liza Karlen (15 points) and a double-double by Liatu King (18 points on 9-12 shooting, 10 rebounds).

However, the game belonged to Hidalgo, who scored a season-high 33 points on 13-19 shooting (4-7 from three). She also had 5 steals. And Miles had 18 points (6-11 shooting including 4-6 from three), 11 rebounds and 10 assists. ND shot 10-20 from three for 50 percent.

Loyola was led by Laura Salmeron who scored 23 points -- all in the second half.

ND is now off for a week until Dec. 29th, when they resume their ACC schedule against Virginia.

Our 3 point shooting remains incredible. I hope Prosper can get going. She’s getting a lot of of playing time and opportunities in these games, which hopefully will yield results at some point. Same for Risch, who is a more developed scorer than Prosper at this point in time. For NI to have confidence in her, she’s got to defend well against more elite competition.

 

[DallasDomer]

As someone who genuinely appreciates the use of factual statistics to make a point during a disagreement, I must say that I am impressed that you took the time and effort to scroll through the play-by-play of at least 5 UConn games to come up with the last minute shots you cited. If it had been me in your place, I would’ve let it slide, because I really have other things to do. But to each his own.

Oh by the way, Geno and just about every other coach in basketball expects their team to run their offense and get a shot if there is more than 30 seconds on the clock, regardless of the score. This is particularly true if you have a bunch of bench players who don’t get a lot of PT. Coaches want to see how they execute in game situations. So unless the 3 examples you cited with less than 30 seconds occurred with more time on the shot clock than on the game clock, they are not a valid argument.

The same applies to the shot by Prosper that Blueballer cites with 13 seconds left. Prosper is a reserve and if there was anything less than 13 seconds on the shot clock, I have no problem with her taking a shot at that point of the game.

But I think that we all agree that taking a shot when your team is up big and the game clock is about to run out before the shot clock is just not cool…..unless you’re playing in the NBA in-season tournament and point differential is the tiebreaker.

My final thought. The coolest thing I have seen at the end of games was something Nika Muhl started doing a few years ago, during the last possession when UConn had the game in the bag. She would dribble the ball out towards mid court with time running out. With a few seconds left Nika would place the ball down on the court and walk away. Now that was cool.

As near as I can tell there was less time on the shot clock than there were in the game, thus his opinion that Prosper should have taken the violation and the turn over.

But you're sort of missing the point. The poster in question said he has expressed his displeasure and I can't find it.

At this point I don't give a blue ball. Complaining about a sub in the heat of the moment is not worth the time spent on it. Even if he comes up with posts complaining about it I no longer care. In fact if there is a way to ignore him I will. The subject is ludicrous and feels like he's clinging to it for some reason.

I apologize to anyone who has wasted their time reading all this drivel. I should have ignored him from the beginning as his opinions will not change for any reason.

 

[Dillon77]

Our 3 point shooting remains incredible. I hope Prosper can get going. She’s getting a lot of of playing time and opportunities in these games, which hopefully will yield results at some point. Same for Risch, who is a more developed scorer than Prosper at this point in time. For NI to have confidence in her, she’s got to defend well against more elite competition.

Weird thing about Cass is, as they often say, she did the hard work with the good move and getting past the hips of the defender, but she then rushed, knocked down the focus on the shot.
As noted, she's getting the PT now, time to take advantage of it.
Pretty sure Risch didn't score until the 4th quarter, then -- whoosh -- 7 points later. She can get focused in a hurry.

 

[GoChips20]

We’ve yet to see it, but I think this Notre Dame roster at full health/strength will handily be the title favorite.

The question is whether they can get everyone healthy at once, and if they do, will they have enough time to gel and develop the chemistry needed to close out tight games against the other elite teams.

Don’t get me wrong, any starting five combination ND puts out with Hidalgo and Miles included is a title contender. But this team’s roster is an embarrassment of riches that I personally think is above even UCLA’s and South Carolina’s.

 

[Frankus]

Weird thing about Cass is, as they often say, she did the hard work with the good move and getting past the hips of the defender, but she then rushed, knocked down the focus on the shot.
As noted, she's getting the PT now, time to take advantage of it.
Pretty sure Risch didn't score until the 4th quarter, then -- whoosh -- 7 points later. She can get focused in a hurry.

From my seat, it appears that Cass just isn't athletic enough right now to make a move and finish in a fluid way like scorers due. She appears more muscular this year, which may serve her well as an inside defender, but might not be doing her any favors as a scorer. Still, she is young, has a lot of eligibility, and can learn a lot from Westbeld and King. Hopefully, she's a work in progress with improvement to come.

 

[DallasDomer]

From my seat, it appears that Cass just isn't athletic enough right now to make a move and finish in a fluid way like scorers due. She appears more muscular this year, which may serve her well as an inside defender, but might not be doing her any favors as a scorer. Still, she is young, has a lot of eligibility, and can learn a lot from Westbeld and King. Hopefully, she's a work in progress with improvement to come.

I see her as very athletic. Some? games she shoots very well but she does have off games where she can't make a basket. So she needs to develop consistency in her game.

In the USC game she was 4-8 with 4 rebounds 1 steal and 1 block. If she can get every game like this and buiomm.

 

[TheFarmFan]

From my seat, it appears that Cass just isn't athletic enough right now to make a move and finish in a fluid way like scorers due. She appears more muscular this year, which may serve her well as an inside defender, but might not be doing her any favors as a scorer. Still, she is young, has a lot of eligibility, and can learn a lot from Westbeld and King. Hopefully, she's a work in progress with improvement to come.

Weird. I haven't followed her closely but to me she seems plenty athletic enough, and the problem is more just that she lacks that shooter's touch. And of course shooting next to the likes of Hidalgo and Miles, that disparity will seem even more glaring.

 

[Frankus]

I see her as very athletic. Some? games she shoots very well but she does have off games where she can't make a basket. So she needs to develop consistency in her game.

In the USC game she was 4-8 with 4 rebounds 1 steal and 1 block. If she can get every game like this and buiomm.

I guess I should clarify. She looks like an athlete , but she hasn't developed into a solid basketball player on offense.

39% field goals, many within 1-5 ft of the rim.

This where I see some kind of lack of athletic coordination to catch and score inside, and/or beat a defender off the dribble and score. See Liatu King (59%) as the kind of athlete/scorer who can do this.

36% 3-point. I laud NI for giving her the green light.

54% Free Throws.

She is still a player that needs a lot of repetitions to boost these numbers if possible. With Karlen/Westbeld coming back, I think her playing time will be reduced and her reps/growth will come in practice.

I suspect her biggest contributions this year will come on defense.

 

[Dillon77]

ND Back in Action Sunday, Dec. 29th at Noon vs UVA
Game is 3rd Sellout of Season (even with students away) and Is on ACC Network

On UVA (from ND press release, attached, and my input)

• "Virginia’s biggest scoring threat is Second Team All-ACC guard Kymora Johnson, who has continued to build upon an excellent rookie season last year. Johnson is a walking stat sheet stuffer, averaging 18.4 points, 5.9 rebounds and 4.8 assists per game. She has scored in double figures in every game this season."
• "The Hoos are led on the boards by Latasha Lattimore, who spent the last two seasons playing for Miami. She is averaging a near double-double with 12.8 points and 9.3 rebounds per game. "

Dillon: Lattimore is from Canada and was part of the duo of Shayanne Day-Wilson and herself that were supposed to go to Syracuse, but then Coach Q's situation blew up and they -- like a lot of the team -- went their own ways. Lattimore went to Texas, then Miami and now Charlottesville.

- Dillon: As for the Irish ??? of Westbeld, Citron and Koval, we'll probably have to look for input from Benchers at the game watching warm-ups.

Third-Ranked Irish Host UVA For ACC Home Opener

The conference matchup is Notre Dame's third sellout of the season

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[Frankus]

An all around great team performance today against Virginia.

The Irish have more talent, but are a better coached team as well. They beat the Hoos with great high low game passing between Karlen/King and Koval, quick cross court passes to Soni who was at her deadliest, a relentless team effort banging the boards for second shots, and a full court, in sync fast break team.

I was hoping for a King double double, but she missed free throws and a couple easy shots in the second half. That being said she was relentless competitor beating the Hoos on the boards and down the court.

Olivia's triple double came late, but the crowd gave her a standing ovation when it happened. Her passing was a reminder of how good we'd be even if we didn't have Hannah. Imo Hannah is the best pure ND shooter since Austin Carr, and that's saying something.

Liza Karlen is rounding into shape and has Liatu Kings intensity. She's got good hands, can convert down low and is tough.

Kovall blocked and disrupted a ton of shots. She missed a few bunny layups, and needs to convert those kind of shots. She'll have lots of opportunities going forward.

Maddy is like Christmas present waiting to be opened.

Good minutes for Prosper and Risch. It was good to see Risch get an assist as she often just shoots. Prosper played tough D and rebounded, and had some good and bad plays offensively which is par for the course.

Bring on the Tar Heels!