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The more you read about the UNC scandal, the more you realize how utterly ridiculous the postseason ban that UConn has was. They were banned a year for going to class (and getting poor grades) in a year in which that specific rule didn't apply. By this standard, UNC should receive a multi-year ban, essentially the "death penalty".
 
The more you read about the UNC scandal, the more you realize how utterly ridiculous the postseason ban that UConn has was. They were banned a year for going to class (and getting poor grades) in a year in which that specific rule didn't apply. By this standard, UNC should receive a multi-year ban, essentially the "death penalty".
Yep extremely frustrating to say the least.
 
My point based on what I
The more you read about the UNC scandal, the more you realize how utterly ridiculous the postseason ban that UConn has was. They were banned a year for going to class (and getting poor grades) in a year in which that specific rule didn't apply. By this standard, UNC should receive a multi-year ban, essentially the "death penalty".

Look at the bright side.................. now they'll know how to do it right the next time!!!!!!!!!!
 
Did you think that Penn State had a leg to stand on in that vile case? I sure didn't...my opinion is based on attorney driven articles not by grandstanding sports columnists... I'm not just pulling these ideas out of the air.....frankly I'm not that smart!!!
As concerns the NCAA they had a very solid leg to stand on - it was completely outside the NCAA purview and had no effect on either student athletes or the athletic competition. Emmert and the NCAA were simply grand standing to insert themselves into that case. It was vile, it was criminal, and it tarnished PSU and the coach and the administration, but it had very little to do with the NCAA.
 
Penn State had one kid that may or may not have been molested by a former employee in the football locker room shower that may or may not have been witnessed by an assistant football coach whose own story about what he saw/heard changed. The AD and a university VP were notified by the head football coach about what one of his assistants saw, and he took most of the heat for not doing enough about something of which he only had a secondhand account. The NCAA and media's assertions of a cover up to protect the football program, which sucked at the time anyway, were a stretch at best, but you dangle the bait of cover up and child molestation, and everyone wants heads on a platter forget about due process and establishment of culpability. To this day, no one in the matter has been convicted of any cover up that the NCAA used to justify their sanctions. The University itself bent over and went along with whatever the NCAA dictated. The only reason the sanctions were rolled back halfway through was due to third party lawsuits and the NCAA's desire to keep their internal communications secret lest they be dragged into an actual court of law and forced to testify under oath. Ironically, the NCAA has since published guidelines about what schools and coaches should do in this situation, and at least from a coach's standpoint (which was the lightning rod that allowed the NCAA to make the athletics connection) they dictate that you do what Joe Paterno did.
That was one too many.
 
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I am late to the discussion and this may have been addressed..... probably has...... but if NCAA is hands off on account of fact that this is academic issue.... why did they slam us for GPA issue?
 
That was one too many.
True, but again the whole firestorm was over a school, particularly the football coach, covering up mass child molestation for the sake of preventing bad press about the football program. That's what caused everyone to want to burn the place to the ground. As it turned out, not only was there not mass molestation going on campus, but to this day no cover up has ever been proven, let alone having been done so to protect a fledgling football program. But hey it didn't stop the NCAA from trying to kill PSU football. Over what exactly? Sandusky maybe having incidental contact with a kid in a shower and some school administrators not taking it seriously enough because all they had was a secondhand report that was borderline at best? The shower incident which was what set off the fireworks ultimately saw the child rape charges dropped because there was not enough evidence to convict other than the assistant football coach's shaky and changeable account of the incident, though Sandusky was convicted on a few lesser charges. It was a huge rush to judgement by many, and the NCAA only came down on PSU because they wanted the positive press as their own internal emails admit. Kind of makes you wonder what else they are hiding that they were willing to roll back those sanctions so quickly to avoid discovery, an action by the NCAA that was unprecedented. The notion that the NCAA is fair and impartial is laughable. They hit the schools they can when they can (especially the ones with zero backbone like a PSU and UConn), and if there's a school and situation of which they can make an example to prove how strict they are with the rules, they go all in.
 
For those Boneyarders willing to hear UNC's side of the story

As wasn’t predicted, the worst isn’t coming to UNC - Robesonian - robesonian.com
The second scandal, which cost the chancellor his job, was academic, but engulfed the athletics program because almost half of the 3,100 students who over a couple of decades took less-than-rigorous courses — no, they were not fake — in the African-American Studies program were athletes, and a worrisome percentage played either football or basketball.

It has been accurately reported that they were fake classes - a university course with no professor, no classes, no meetings, and 'papers' graded by a secretary with no academic standing is a fake class.

This is nice revisionist history buttering up to UNC and ignoring the fact that if it hadn't been for 'that' Raleigh newspaper UNC would have continued to deny there were 3100 fraudulent student/classes which their own report substantiates. I suggest this guy go back and reread the whole report that UNC published.
 
The second scandal, which cost the chancellor his job, was academic, but engulfed the athletics program because almost half of the 3,100 students who over a couple of decades took less-than-rigorous courses — no, they were not fake — in the African-American Studies program were athletes, and a worrisome percentage played either football or basketball.

It has been accurately reported that they were fake classes - a university course with no professor, no classes, no meetings, and 'papers' graded by a secretary with no academic standing is a fake class.

This is nice revisionist history buttering up to UNC and ignoring the fact that if it hadn't been for 'that' Raleigh newspaper UNC would have continued to deny there were 3100 fraudulent student/classes which their own report substantiates. I suggest this guy go back and reread the whole report that UNC published.


Here's a somewhat different take if you have time for some light listening from the ACC Sports Network

Two reasons why the UNC case is a bad fit for the NCAA - ACCSports.com
 
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I appreciate your sentiments but as I said the NCAA is treading lightly on the UNC situation for both political and legal reasons. They know that much of the evidence is impermissible in court and they don't want another Penn State situation. If nothing else the three million dollar self imposed investigation has led to numerous changes in the way UNC handles their academic affairs. So if the goal is to correct the academic situation then that has mostly been accomplished. UNC's academic accreditation has been threatened and will be revisited next year. UNC basketball and football teams have suffered though years of recruiting purgatory which will continue until the final ruling is in effect. Many believe that women's soccer and basketball teams may sustain penalties and are scapegoats for the big money sports. There may be some truth in that, however the facts do show that those two programs were most closely linked to the academic adviser in question. Finally, remember that the majority of students taking these classes were not athletes, they were regular kids looking for easy classes....so shame on UNC....hopefully other schools will take a hard look to see if they are in the same boat...believe me, many are.
At the very least they were fraudulent about whether student athletes were in good academic standing.
 
True, but again the whole firestorm was over a school, particularly the football coach, covering up mass child molestation for the sake of preventing bad press about the football program. That's what caused everyone to want to burn the place to the ground. As it turned out, not only was there not mass molestation going on campus, but to this day no cover up has ever been proven, let alone having been done so to protect a fledgling football program. But hey it didn't stop the NCAA from trying to kill PSU football. Over what exactly? Sandusky maybe having incidental contact with a kid in a shower and some school administrators not taking it seriously enough because all they had was a secondhand report that was borderline at best? The shower incident which was what set off the fireworks ultimately saw the child rape charges dropped because there was not enough evidence to convict other than the assistant football coach's shaky and changeable account of the incident, though Sandusky was convicted on a few lesser charges. It was a huge rush to judgement by many, and the NCAA only came down on PSU because they wanted the positive press as their own internal emails admit. Kind of makes you wonder what else they are hiding that they were willing to roll back those sanctions so quickly to avoid discovery, an action by the NCAA that was unprecedented. The notion that the NCAA is fair and impartial is laughable. They hit the schools they can when they can (especially the ones with zero backbone like a PSU and UConn), and if there's a school and situation of which they can make an example to prove how strict they are with the rules, they go all in.
Sandusky maybe had incidental contact? Wow.
 
Jay Bilas take on the ANOA. I think UCMiami might disagree with Jay.




Very similar theory to the audio clip from the ACC network...........NCAA just doesn't have the jurisdiction/laws to handle the academic side of this issue.................very unsatisfying to those who want the "death penalty"............as I said earlier, NCAA would be taken to court if they tried to overreach here...................
 
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