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Lose by 30 to an unranked team...drop five places to #8.

UNLV, who prison-raped UNC earlier in the season, lost by 2 at now-#16 San Diego State and they dropped eight spots to #20.

Just an observation.

Lunardi currently has UNC as a two-seed in his latest bracketology.

UNC has an RPI of 19 and a SOS of 61. They just lost by 30. Record against the top 50 is 2-3.

A two-seed.

Just to grab another team for an example, Seton Hall has an RPI of 5 and an SOS of 5. They're 3-2 vs the top 50.

They're a six-seed.

But that's just another observation.

And yet a third observation - Lunardi applies a fair amount of pixie dust to some teams in his lil endeavor.
 
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Lose by 30 to an unranked team...drop five places to #8.

UNLV, who prison-raped UNC earlier in the season, lost by 2 at now-#16 San Diego State and they dropped eight spots to #20.

Love it. Also, fairly accurate. Mike Moser(sp?) absolutely beasted Henson in that game.
 

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Lose by 30 to an unranked team...drop five places to #8.

UNLV, who prison-raped UNC earlier in the season, lost by 2 at now-#16 San Diego State and they dropped eight spots to #20.

Just an observation.

Lunardi currently has UNC as a two-seed in his latest bracketology.

UNC has an RPI of 19 and a SOS of 61. They just lost by 30. Record against the top 50 is 2-3.

A two-seed.

Just to grab another team for an example, Seton Hall has an RPI of 5 and an SOS of 5. They're 3-2 vs the top 50.

They're a six-seed.

But that's just another observation.

And yet a third observation - Lunardi applies a fair amount of pixie dust to some teams in his lil endeavor.
Lunardi, to be fair, thinks like a member of the seeding committee. He's a fan boy for big names, plus his treasured special snowflake St. Joe's.
 
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uconn loses to Rutgers: They were ranked too high to begin with.
unc loses by 30 to FSU: They were complacent.
 
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How good is Murray State? Are they a legit team or are they a product of playing pretty much no notable competition except Memphis?
 
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I think you are all underestimating the intelligence of Lunardi. He's managed to get someone to pay him to make up BS numbers for seeding 3 months before the tournament.
 

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Lose by 30 to an unranked team...drop five places to #8.

UNLV, who prison-raped UNC earlier in the season, lost by 2 at now-#16 San Diego State and they dropped eight spots to #20.

Just an observation.

Lunardi currently has UNC as a two-seed in his latest bracketology.

UNC has an RPI of 19 and a SOS of 61. They just lost by 30. Record against the top 50 is 2-3.

A two-seed.

Just to grab another team for an example, Seton Hall has an RPI of 5 and an SOS of 5. They're 3-2 vs the top 50.

They're a six-seed.

But that's just another observation.

And yet a third observation - Lunardi applies a fair amount of pixie dust to some teams in his lil endeavor.
I think the members of the Boneyard are far more objective than the voters or Lunardi. Just my unbiased opinion.
 
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UNC was over seeded last year as well. They coasted through an easy ACC, ended up with seven losses, and then earned a two seed without beating a ton of quality opponents. They were also rewarded with two home games in the first and second rounds.

There is definitely a bias towards the blue bloods like Duke, UNC, UK, and KU.
 
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The bias toward UNC and Duke is that there are so many games in NC for the NCAAs, and to sell tickets, they developed these "pods" to allow the both of them to play in the same building, even if one is in the Midwest and the other in the West.

UK just has a huge fan base. I think the committee tends to treat them fairly. Same with KU.

UCLA, though, due to the relative dearth of quality teams out West, often gets to play in California to near home crowds when they are good, which, with the exception of a recent 3 year run, they really haven't been.
 
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How good is Murray State? Are they a legit team or are they a product of playing pretty much no notable competition except Memphis?

I'd like to know as well. Some years you get a legitimate 'surprise' team. I'm sure their campus is rocking right now.
 
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I don't give anyone a pass for being stupid or showing ridiculous favoritism but if there ever was a year where slotting the top 25 week to week would be a complete crap shoot, this one is it.

Now I'm going by the eye test and having seen about 2/3rds to 3/4th of the top 25 teams play this season, SU is the only one that really scares me and so far has that undefeated record, an RPI (1) and SOS (2) to back up what the eye sees. They're very talented, scary deep and play the ridiculously tough 2-3 zone that's hard to crack, especially if you haven't seen it before. It's funny that they're not the only team out there that plays that type of zone, but you have to give Jimmy B some credit for recruiting the right mix of players and getting them to play that zone like maestros, but I digress.

After SU, seriously! What about the resumes of any of the top 24 teams can you justify where they belong? As much as many here don't like UK, they have as talented a top 5 to 7 players there is, but their youth can't be ignored. Surprisingly, at least to me, the top 9 are identical in both polls. But from 10 to 25 the order is quite jumbled between the two polls.

Put yourself in the shoes of one of the voters. You see a team like UNC that has a lot of talented players and a coach that usually gets them playing top 10 ball by season's end, and you simply struggle to slot them too far down below a bunch of teams that don't seem as talented. Same goes for Dook, though they don't nearly have the talent that UNC has, but do have an impressive RPI (2) and SOS (1). With the ACC again not looking all that strong, we're going to see these 2 teams ranked higher than we think is warranted, as they feed on ACC guppies. Even if UNC and/or Dook lose big at FSU or at Virginia which seem to be solid teams, that probably won't take much of a bite from their ranking and we'll likely see them both get higher seeds (1s or 2s) than maybe they deserve. Of course one or both will bow out early in the NCAAs even with their decidedly advantaged home state NCAA tournament court. This will happen again and again, and the committee will again and again ignore this year after year and reward these two programs undeservedly...but again I further digress.

Baylor has a chance to justify their ranking if they can win at KU and beat Mizzu at home this week. Imagine if they lose both of those games. I think some of the voter's head will explode.

KU has a chance to really move up, since they can make a big statement by beating Baylor and the fact that their losses came early in the season against top teams.

MSU has had a similar road with most (all?) of their losses coming early in the season with them off to a very hot conference start.

One other interesting observation is that there are 5 non-BCs programs in the top 25 with the surprisingly undefeated Murray State leading that group, ranked #12 in the AP and 10 in the Coaches poll. Note that they are ranked 29th in the RPI and have a whopping 218 RPI. I don't know who they've played, nor have I seen them play. I'm guessing many of the voters have seen them play and feel they have a talented team. Expect them to drop like lead if they lose a game or two. A team like Creighton who's ranked (18 & 19) that has a 19 RPI and 79 SOS might be a mid-major to keep an eye on or even an unranked Zags team which is 14-3, #8 RPI and 11 SOS.

Now where should UConn fit in this mix. Their RPI and SOS are extremely high at #4 in each category. But the eye test on them changes not just game by game, but moment by moment within a game. Imagine if you were a voter and happen to watch the first half of the past 4 games. You'd come away quite underwhelmed by what you saw. But if you happen to catch the last 8 minutes of the WVU game and entire 2nd half of the ND game, you'd be bumping their ranking back up to the top 10. Unless to go on a big winning streak or some uneven stretch of winning some and losing some, a ranking that hovers around either side of 10 sounds about right.

The more I peel back the onion, the more I scratch my head as how these voters are going to make much sense out of this field and slot their top 25. Other than not over-rewarding UNC for the talent they have on paper, I don't think I could do all that much better picking a top 25.
 
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I actually haven't been very impressed with Kentucky... Not convinced with their guard play and I don't actually think Calipari knows how to coach in-game, make adjustments etc.

Cuse obviously has looked great but their schedule has ended up being pretty easy, no difficult away games as of yet - but regardless they have been far more impressive so far than any other team.

UNC has no guard play that really scares me.

Duke is even softer than usual.

I think Ohio St is the real deal, and I think Michigan State will have something to say in the end...

Baylor isn't going anywhere, same with Kansas, tyshawn is not good...

It's wide open...
 

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I expect Baylor to get smacked tonight - they're due for an asskicking.

But looking at their roster and their resume to date, they can make a strong argument that they've been the top team in the nation this year.
 
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I agree that Baylor has some very solid wins. But have a look at the scorelines and it's clear they have been fortunate to win those games. I watch the West Virginia game and it was fifty fifty... And I think WV would beat them by 10 if they played again...

Baylor has crazy talent but when I watch them play something about them seems to say "we're gonna lose in the sweet 16 to (insert really white team that shoots well and doesn't turn the ball over)"
 
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the top 5 to start the year was unc,uk,osu,uconn and cuse. the only team that seems worthy of their preseason ranking has been cuse. uk has been good but their guard play is going to kill them in the tourney and osu has been good not great and uconn and unc have been disappointing thus far as they both have yet to play their best basketball.
 
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Fishy - you're usually among the more rational (and pithy) posters here, but, ;), your hard-on for NC is starting to approach Syracuse/STB intensity.
 
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Fishy - you're usually among the more rational (and pithy) posters here, but, ;), your hard-on for NC is starting to approach Syracuse/STB intensity.

Dude UNC lost by 30 to an unranked team and they fell only five spots. 30 , half of 60, wow.
 

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Baylor has crazy talent but when I watch them play something about them seems to say "we're gonna lose in the sweet 16 to (insert really white team that shoots well and doesn't turn the ball over)"

Why do they have to be white?
 
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They don't have to be, obviously. I just picture a team like a Wisconsin causing Baylor lots of problems... A team that won't even try to out-athlete them, slow things down, control the ball, limit possessions, keep the score low, force the half court... Curious to see how Baylor does tonight in Kansas, should be a fun game to watch, particularly down low
 
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They don't have to be, obviously. I just picture a team like a Wisconsin causing Baylor lots of problems... A team that won't even try to out-athlete them, slow things down, control the ball, limit possessions, keep the score low, force the half court... Curious to see how Baylor does tonight in Kansas, should be a fun game to watch, particularly down low

Tonight will be telling but not necessarily definitive. They are one of the few teams that can beat any team in the country with their B game.
 
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Lose by 30 to an unranked team...drop five places to #8.

UNLV, who prison-raped UNC earlier in the season, lost by 2 at now-#16 San Diego State and they dropped eight spots to #20.

Just an observation.

Lunardi currently has UNC as a two-seed in his latest bracketology.

UNC has an RPI of 19 and a SOS of 61. They just lost by 30. Record against the top 50 is 2-3.

A two-seed.

Just to grab another team for an example, Seton Hall has an RPI of 5 and an SOS of 5. They're 3-2 vs the top 50.

They're a six-seed.

But that's just another observation.

And yet a third observation - Lunardi applies a fair amount of pixie dust to some teams in his lil endeavor.
Good points, but I'd like to be a fly on the wall when the brackets come out. I'm pretty sure no one wants us. AD will be really scary by March, so I don't care where we go or who we play.
 

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I think the pollsters can't get over the "they have the most first round draft choices" effect for UNC, hence their immunization against dropping in the polls.

Frankly, it is ridiculous that Murray State is so high...they have only beaten a weak Memphis team that is not even in the top 25 and play a regular diet of cupcakes with unimpressive winning margins...would really love to see them in our NCAA bracket.

Syracuse, as much as I dislike them for being a traitor to the Big East (especially heinous for being an original member) and for brushing a truly heinous sexual abuse case under the rug ( the latest retraction by the jailbird certainly smells like booster-money related rotten fish), has been consistently impressive. Their players really know zone positioning, they have excellent hands and impressive length and their reputation has led the zebras to allow them to slap a little more at the ball with impunity. Fast break hoops off of steals and blocks are clearly the cornerstones of their success


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Syracuse hasn't exactly been tested either.

Teams usually eventually have a match up where they are just destined to have their asses kicked - Indiana visiting Ohio State or Gonzaga visiting St. Mary's. Baylor might be having their's in a bit vs Kansas.

Syracuse hasn't had anything like that game yet - the schedule has broken their way in a big way.

Related note to the original post....bad weekend for UNC. They lose by 30+ at FSU and their 21st-ranked chicks just lost by 51 to our chicks. (86-35)
 
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Syracuse hasn't exactly been tested either.

Teams usually eventually have a match up where they are just destined to have their asses kicked - Indiana visiting Ohio State or Gonzaga visiting St. Mary's. Baylor might be having their's in a bit vs Kansas.

Syracuse hasn't had anything like that game yet - the schedule has broken their way in a big way.

Related note to the original post....bad weekend for UNC. They lose by 30+ at FSU and their 21st-ranked chicks just lost by 51 to our chicks. (86-35)
SU's sched hasn't exactly been murderer's row but they have taken care of business and looked good doing so. I'm just catching the end of the Pitt game and they look like they're about to land the knockout blow.

They seem like a team that has a lot of ways to beat you, transition, 3s, pound it inside, etc. You might not like them but IMO, they've earned their #1 ranking thus far.
 

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I don't not like them or begrudge them their ranking - they're undefeated. Hard to mount an argument there.

But they really have not had to go uphill much this season. What's their signature win?
 
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