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MH3‏@MH314 Jun
hearing interesting whispers from the recruiting trail thats lending more smoke to a situation involving 2 SEC schools looking at options
 
jostar1 said:
MH3‏@MH314 Jun
hearing interesting whispers from the recruiting trail thats lending more smoke to a situation involving 2 SEC schools looking at options
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Let us humor this for one second:

Texas A&M
Vanderbilt University
University of Florida
University of Missouri
University of Arkansas
University of Alabama
University of Kentucky
University of Tennessee
University of Georgia
Louisiana State University
University of South Carolina
Auburn University
University of Mississippi
Mississippi State University


Schools that would leave for the B12: 0
Schools that would leave for the ACC: 0
Schools that might listen to the B1G: 2 ... Vandy and Kentucky
Schools the B1G might actually offer: 0
Schools that would actually leave for the B1G if offered: 0.5 (Vandy would actually think about it for 5 seconds before scurrying back to the homestead for a mint julip and dinner with Colonel Buford T. Angus)
 
Not that he's right...but he may be referring to two teams leaving for the Big 12 to give them 12 and a conf. champ. game.
 
jostar1 said:
MH3‏@MH314 Jun
hearing interesting whispers from the recruiting trail thats lending more smoke to a situation involving 2 SEC schools looking at options
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It would be a dereliction of duty for the respective board and president of Arkansas and LSU to leave the SEC, which will exist in perpetuity, for the Big 12 which will only exist as long as it is to the benefit of Texas.

Yes. LSU has had grievances with the SEC.
http://theadvocate.com/sports/4741258-32/five-reasons-lsu-should-leave

However, the SEC network will provide money and exposure that any current SEC school would be foolish to walk away from.
http://www.secdigitalnetwork.com/NE...762/sec-and-espn-announce-new-tv-network.aspx

LSU has the opportunity to rekindle a rivalry with Texas A & M.
http://www.nola.com/lsu/index.ssf/2013/05/lsu_ad_joe_alleva_said_tigers.html

Arkansas has the opportunity to develop a rivalry with Missouri.
http://www.stltoday.com/sports/coll...cle_8353654f-3239-579e-a0b2-19d1230a782a.html
 
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I look forward to the Crimson Tide Network. If there's enough fans.
 
Vandy will not leave the SEC unless the SEC’s death spiral when it comes to academics threatens their research dollars, which is unlikely. Kentucky has no reason as they get SEC football $$’s without a mediocre football team while their basketball team owns the conference with only a periodic challenge from Florida. South Carolina left the ACC for the SEC and are not going back. Texas A&M is very happy as THE Texas team in the SEC. Eventually, demographics could make Georgia look north; but that is several generations away. That really leaves Missouri, which has no historical rivalries with the SEC while they do have history with Illinois and Nebraska. I can see them jumping at a shot at the B1G assuming not too many folks are upset about their prior rejection. They would love to bring Kansas with them; but, Kansas may not be able to go anywhere without Kansas State, which is a non-starter with the B1G.
 
If Vandy leaves the SEC for the B1G,they can give up all pretence of being a college league and join the the NFL.



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whaler11 said:
This is all ridiculous. These morons get off on people posting about their speculation... Maybe just stop (me included).
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Alright.

Final thought. If you really think about it, this whole issue of conference realignment is ridiculous.

The B1G, my home conference in the Midwest, reaching into the east so Michigan and Ohio State can give up games against traditional conference rivals to face Maryland and Rutgers.

A Midwest school, Missouri, in the SEC.

West Virginia in the Big 12.

A team from the mountain west region, Utah, in the PAC.

A team from Kentucky in a conference on the Atlantic Coast.

UConn, your school a basketball brand, in the AAC and no longer in a conference with your traditional basketball rivals.

Long standing rivalries, one of the best parts of college sports, tossed aside. Texas-Texas A & M, Kansas-Missouri, Pittsburgh-West Virginia all gone.

The Big Ten with 14 teams.

The Big 12 with 10 teams.

The Big East, as we knew it, gone.

Conferences with 14 teams and looking to expand to 16 and perhaps beyond leading them to play less of one another.

I love college sports. Because of this, I have spent time searching and speculating about what is next for the B1G, and other conferences to a lesser extent, only to realize it is time wasted if I am honest about it.

How the h**l, as alums and fans, do we fix this mess our conferences and universities have created?
 
B1GALUM said:
Alright.

Final thought. If you really think about it, this whole issue of conference realignment is ridiculous.

The B1G, my home conference in the Midwest, reaching into the east so Michigan and Ohio State can give up games against traditional conference rivals to face Maryland and Rutgers.

A Midwest school, Missouri, in the SEC.

West Virginia in the Big 12.

A team from the mountain west region, Utah, in the PAC.

A team from Kentucky in a conference on the Atlantic Coast.

UConn, your school a basketball brand, in the AAC and no longer in a conference with your traditional basketball rivals.

Long standing rivalries, one of the best parts of college sports, tossed aside. Texas-Texas A & M, Kansas-Missouri, Pittsburgh-West Virginia all gone.

The Big Ten with 14 teams.

The Big 12 with 10 teams.

The Big East, as we knew it, gone.

Conferences with 14 teams and looking to expand to 16 and perhaps beyond leading them to play less of one another.

I love college sports. Because of this, I have spent time searching and speculating about what is next for the B1G, and other conferences to a lesser extent, only to realize it is time wasted if I am honest about it.

How the h**l, as alums and fans, do we fix this mess our conferences and universities have created?
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Sorry I guess I wasn't clear enough. I was referring to the WVU twitter idiots.

If some UConn fans sleep better at night producing Big 10 fantasies they can knock themselves out. I imagine they are just delaying the inevitable realization that it's the American for at least a while... But I probably spend an hour a week thinking about what I'd do if I won Powerball so I guess I can't judge.
 
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B1GALUM said:
Alright.

Final thought. If you really think about it, this whole issue of conference realignment is ridiculous.

The B1G, my home conference in the Midwest, reaching into the east so Michigan and Ohio State can give up games against traditional conference rivals to face Maryland and Rutgers.

A Midwest school, Missouri, in the SEC.

West Virginia in the Big 12.

A team from the mountain west region, Utah, in the PAC.

A team from Kentucky in a conference on the Atlantic Coast.

UConn, your school a basketball brand, in the AAC and no longer in a conference with your traditional basketball rivals.

Long standing rivalries, one of the best parts of college sports, tossed aside. Texas-Texas A & M, Kansas-Missouri, Pittsburgh-West Virginia all gone.
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You can add Kansas - Nebraska to the list, was the longest ongoing game in all of college football, if very one-sided. Missouri is a mixed state, Springfield fits in the SEC as much as Arkansas does. St. Louis is a Big Ten town and KC a Big XII town.

Put Colorado and Utah back in the MWC and it's not that bad. Arizona is hardly the Pacific either.

Much has been screwed up, and the way to fix it is to implement a 16 team playoff and give all conference champions a slot. Immediately, the idea of 16 team leagues would collapse, and we'd be back to 8-10 team leagues, which would foster more local rivalries, reduce travel cost and time and be much better for student athletes.
 
Yes, CR just shows how bad institutional design can make people do irrational things for small amounts of money. In this case, the conference championship game for 12 team conferences led to expansion, but 12 (and 14) teams is an irrational size, you can't play everybody in your league yet there is not so great a distinction between the divisions that the championship game is really interesting. Just that little extra money for one more game was enough to lead schools to destroy historic rivalries.
 
B1GALUM said:
Alright.

Final thought. If you really think about it, this whole issue of conference realignment is ridiculous.

The B1G, my home conference in the Midwest, reaching into the east so Michigan and Ohio State can give up games against traditional conference rivals to face Maryland and Rutgers.

A Midwest school, Missouri, in the SEC.

West Virginia in the Big 12.

A team from the mountain west region, Utah, in the PAC.

A team from Kentucky in a conference on the Atlantic Coast.

UConn, your school a basketball brand, in the AAC and no longer in a conference with your traditional basketball rivals.

Long standing rivalries, one of the best parts of college sports, tossed aside. Texas-Texas A & M, Kansas-Missouri, Pittsburgh-West Virginia all gone.

The Big Ten with 14 teams.

The Big 12 with 10 teams.

The Big East, as we knew it, gone.

Conferences with 14 teams and looking to expand to 16 and perhaps beyond leading them to play less of one another.

I love college sports. Because of this, I have spent time searching and speculating about what is next for the B1G, and other conferences to a lesser extent, only to realize it is time wasted if I am honest about it.

How the h**l, as alums and fans, do we fix this mess our conferences and universities have created?
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boycott... don't go to any games... don't buy tickets.
it worked for Pitt... Now they're in the ACC.
 
B1GALUM said:
How the h**l, as alums and fans, do we fix this mess our conferences and universities have created?
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Pool our resources, buy the NCAA and disband it.

Then, start our own TV networks because that's who's pulling the strings.
 
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If the B12 wanted to be at 16 tomorrow. It'd be BYU, FSU, Clemson, UL, Cincy and... Pitt. Or someone else that isn't UConn.

It get that move to 12/14/16 and we are available, but the B12 might as well be the P12 or the WAC as far as we are concerned geographically.

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huskymedic said:
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If B12 had to be at 16 tomorrow, I don't see 6 better additions than BYU, Boise, UConn, Cinci, UCF & USF. That would be a solid conference.
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UCF media seem to think UCF and USF are next for B12: http://thebeatofsports.com/notes-an...ids-defend-dad-big-xii-expansion-and-the-dmv/

"Speaking of Power 5 leagues, the waters seemed to have calmed in the world of conference realignment. But if you want to know who is worthy of watching in the future as candidates to change leagues look south. Most people assume UConn and Cincinnati are ideal candidates to move to the ACC sometime in the future. It’s natural because both were part of the Big East and it is no secret both schools have openly campaigned to be part of the ACC. But Louisville beat them to the punch and with the addition of Notre Dame as a scheduling partner for football and member in all other sports, the ACC has no reason to expand any time soon. Add the ACC’s Grant of Rights deal and it makes it very difficult for someone to leave. So……If no one’s leaving the ACC and the Big Ten, SEC and Pac 12 seem content with what they have, that leaves the Big XII. The Big XII has made it very clear it likes its current 10 team makeup and a new media deal gives the league no reason to move off its position on expansion. But if it does, UConn and Cincinnati do not make sense. Assume things stay quiet for the next 2-4 years and the Big XII revisits expansion it likely looks for new and thriving markets and markets that open up new television revenue and recruiting. It is why USF and UCF are the likely targets. The two schools, their alumni base and media markets combined deliver better numbers than anyone else can present. Is it possible the Big XII would add only one Florida school and look at a BYU as well? Sure it’s possible. But the two offer a travel partner, markets with bowl games, accessible airports, destinations to host conference championships and young growing alumni bases. Texas is loaded with talent for recruiting, but what area would the Big XII love to tap into? Tampa, Orlando, Miami, Jacksonville and the rest of the state. In 2-4 years UConn and Cincinnati lose any advantage over USF and UCF that exist today. Yes, I am aware Cincinnati is undergoing a massive facilities upgrade. You know what the upgrade will do? Put it on par with what already exist at USF and UCF…"
 
That's actually a pretty common expansion scenario pushed by B12 fans who are focused on FB recruiting potential in Florida - I doubt school administrators share the same opinion though.
 
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B1GALUM said:
UCF media seem to think UCF and USF are next for B12: http://thebeatofsports.com/notes-an...ids-defend-dad-big-xii-expansion-and-the-dmv/

"Speaking of Power 5 leagues, the waters seemed to have calmed in the world of conference realignment. But if you want to know who is worthy of watching in the future as candidates to change leagues look south. Most people assume UConn and Cincinnati are ideal candidates to move to the ACC sometime in the future. It’s natural because both were part of the Big East and it is no secret both schools have openly campaigned to be part of the ACC. But Louisville beat them to the punch and with the addition of Notre Dame as a scheduling partner for football and member in all other sports, the ACC has no reason to expand any time soon. Add the ACC’s Grant of Rights deal and it makes it very difficult for someone to leave. So……If no one’s leaving the ACC and the Big Ten, SEC and Pac 12 seem content with what they have, that leaves the Big XII. The Big XII has made it very clear it likes its current 10 team makeup and a new media deal gives the league no reason to move off its position on expansion. But if it does, UConn and Cincinnati do not make sense. Assume things stay quiet for the next 2-4 years and the Big XII revisits expansion it likely looks for new and thriving markets and markets that open up new television revenue and recruiting. It is why USF and UCF are the likely targets. The two schools, their alumni base and media markets combined deliver better numbers than anyone else can present. Is it possible the Big XII would add only one Florida school and look at a BYU as well? Sure it’s possible. But the two offer a travel partner, markets with bowl games, accessible airports, destinations to host conference championships and young growing alumni bases. Texas is loaded with talent for recruiting, but what area would the Big XII love to tap into? Tampa, Orlando, Miami, Jacksonville and the rest of the state. In 2-4 years UConn and Cincinnati lose any advantage over USF and UCF that exist today. Yes, I am aware Cincinnati is undergoing a massive facilities upgrade. You know what the upgrade will do? Put it on par with what already exist at USF and UCF…"
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I don't buy the argument being put forth by the writer. Unlike the B1G, PAC and SEC which value markets due to their networks, the Big 12 and ACC need brands.
 
There have been rumors for months that Fox wants the B12 to add USF and UCF. They do have TV potential -- both schools are in top 20 DMAs, Florida as a whole is a big prize, the strength of the B12 is football and Florida is a great recruiting territory, there is potential for the B12 to rival the SEC and ACC in Florida thanks to better local markets and 2 state schools vs 1 each for the SEC and ACC.

From a business perspective, it seems quite plausible that USF/UCF are ahead of UConn/Cincy and BYU/Boise for B12 expansion.

The question then becomes, would the B12 stop at 12, or consider creating an eastern division to help out WVU? A 14-team league with WVU/Cincy/UConn/USF/UCF + two from Baylor/TCU/Iowa State would keep the Texas/Oklahoma/Kansas state schools together and cut down their travel, while giving the B12 eastern media markets.
 
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