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[buddy]

I wonder if Yormark was at the UConn-BYU game last night. If he wants the Northeast we can deliver!

Not only do we own Storrs South at MSG but we have had 2 solid showings in Boston over the last 11 months! Plus our football team is competitive again, I would take a ND or similar game at MetLife or Foxboro if available.

The one who really should take notice is the ACC leadership. UConn's best fit is the ACC. They are just so dumb.

 

[UC1995]

I hate that we are in a conference with schools that won't or can't compete. Even if Georgetown, Villanova, an St. Johns are with us near the top, the bottom part is just getting worse. Get a lifeline to either ACC or Big12 we take it and don't look back.

 

[JohnFSilver]

Honestly, I don't think anyone else has an interest in Duke, which goes to the point that basketball success really doesn't matter.

Basketball is undervalued. If people making the decision were actually strategic they could corner market on hoops and gain a monetary advantage. Instead? They are diluting their brands by putting 18 teams in a conference.

That's dumb, because someone has to finish in 14th place and they are usually pretty good. Sport is a trainwreck.

 

[JeepCSC]

Basketball is undervalued.

Only because the NCAA takes the lion's share of basketball profits, whereas the conferences keep the lion's share of football profits.

 

[JwittersPAC]

Only because the NCAA takes the lion's share of basketball profits, whereas the conferences keep the lion's share of football profits.

The majority of money for basketball comes from the NCAA basketball tournament which is controlled by the NCAA.

 

[CTFAN4LIFE]

The majority of money for basketball comes from the NCAA basketball tournament which is controlled by the NCAA.

March Madness revenues are shared way beyond basketball - and into D2 and D3.

 

[CL82]

March Madness revenues are shared way beyond basketball - and into D2 and D3.

And administrative costs. It is the cash cow for the NCAA.

 

[bobbyinaz]

And administrative costs. It is the cash cow for the NCAA.

And it now will also pay the House settlement. It’s more like an ATM where they can grab cash whenever they want

 

[Stinger92860]

And it now will also pay the House settlement. It’s more like an ATM where they can grab cash whenever they want

One would think that basketball breaking away from the ncaa would help our realignment chances, but rule one is always there and we have been burned too many times.

 

[UConnTrumbull]

One would think that basketball breaking away from the ncaa would help our realignment chances, but rule one is always there and we have been burned too many times.

Can someone explain like I’m 5 what it would take for the P4 plus Big East/PAC12 to control March Madness the same way the P4 owns the CFP? Would think it would be pretty easy, no?

 

[ZooCougar]

Can someone explain like I’m 5 what it would take for the P4 plus Big East/PAC12 to control March Madness the same way the P4 owns the CFP? Would think it would be pretty easy, no?

Why would they bother if including the Big East and PAC 12? Why share?

 

[JwittersPAC]

Can someone explain like I’m 5 what it would take for the P4 plus Big East/PAC12 to control March Madness the same way the P4 owns the CFP? Would think it would be pretty easy, no?

NCAA is paying previous basketball and football players $2.8 billion for the NIL settlement over the next 10 years. This money is coming from the NCAA tournament revenue. No way there is any spinoff until the money is paid out. So earliest spinoff is 2036.

 

[FfldCntyFan]

Can someone explain like I’m 5 what it would take for the P4 plus Big East/PAC12 to control March Madness the same way the P4 owns the CFP? Would think it would be pretty easy, no?

In part because of the lawsuits from the late 1970's, the NCAA left autonomy for major college football with the schools that wanted to pursue it (Big 10, SEC, SWC, Big 8, etc.). They split division 1 (for football only) into 1A & 1AA (later FBS & FCS). The C in FCS stands for championship as the winner of this tournament each year is the NCAA D1 football champion (although the world recognizes the top FBS school as champion).

At the time broadcast revenues were substantially smaller than what they have become. As the NCAA doesn't control FBS football, they cannot extract revenue from the product the way they do with all other sports and football at FCS and lower levels.

Outside of NCAA tournaments, broadcast revenues are earned by conferences and distributed to conference members (with exception of local radio and other minor items that most conferences allow individual schools to negotiate separately). This is where the P-4 gains it's largest advantage as the most lucrative product (FBS football) doesn't have to pass it's revenue through the NCAA.

We are decades beyond the point of being able to get the toothpaste back in the tube so to speak and the NCAA is petrified that the top 65+ schools will pack up and form their own intercollegiate athletic association, leaving the one legitimate revenue generating product (men's basketball tournament) as a second rate product as most of the best teams will be part of the new association's tournament to end each season.

 

[JwittersPAC]

In part because of the lawsuits from the late 1970's, the NCAA left autonomy for major college football with the schools that wanted to pursue it (Big 10, SEC, SWC, Big 8, etc.). They split division 1 (for football only) into 1A & 1AA (later FBS & FCS). The C in FCS stands for championship as the winner of this tournament each year is the NCAA D1 football champion (although the world recognizes the top FBS school as champion).

At the time broadcast revenues were substantially smaller than what they have become. As the NCAA doesn't control FBS football, they cannot extract revenue from the product the way they do with all other sports and football at FCS and lower levels.

Outside of NCAA tournaments, broadcast revenues are earned by conferences and distributed to conference members (with exception of local radio and other minor items that most conferences allow individual schools to negotiate separately). This is where the P-4 gains it's largest advantage as the most lucrative product (FBS football) doesn't have to pass it's revenue through the NCAA.

We are decades beyond the point of being able to get the toothpaste back in the tube so to speak and the NCAA is petrified that the top 65+ schools will pack up and form their own intercollegiate athletic association, leaving the one legitimate revenue generating product (men's basketball tournament) as a second rate product as most of the best teams will be part of the new association's tournament to end each season.

I just do not see basketball spinning off. There are many more colleges that are competitive in basketball than football. I would think congress and courts would get involved if a significant number of teams did not have access to the basketball tournament. Football particularly for a chance at a national championship has always been limited to perhaps 20 schools. True before NIL and true after.

 

[CL82]

Why would they bother if including the Big East and PAC 12? Why share?

The argument in favor of the inclusion of the big east is that prior to last year 50% of the last decade's men's basketball national champions were from the Big East. That makes a pretty good argument for including Connecticut and a reasonably decent one for including Villanova.

 

[ZooCougar]

The argument in favor of the inclusion of the big east is that prior to last year 50% of the last decade's men's basketball national champions were from the Big East. That makes a pretty good argument for including Connecticut and a reasonably decent one for including Villanova.

I think that assumption is very naive and corralling more money matters substantially more than any legitimacy.

 

[CTBballfan243]

The argument in favor of the inclusion of the big east is that prior to last year 50% of the last decade's men's basketball national champions were from the Big East. That makes a pretty good argument for including Connecticut and a reasonably decent one for including Villanova.

Yes, but if the Power conferences can put the Big East out of business (athletically) then they wouldn't have to worry about Connecticut or Villanova winning anything meaningful ever again. The only schools that could potentially win a National Championship, and all the $$$$ that come with it would be schools from a power conference (whether that be 2, 3 or 4 conferences) A split is coming, it's just a matter of when and where the dividing line is.

 

[CL82]

I think that assumption is very naive and corralling more money matters substantially more than any legitimacy.

Perhaps, but as a marketing point it's reasonably effective. I think our best shot at being in a "power conference" is if there is a money grab for the March madness profits. That's probably where being a basketball brand yields the most value. I also think that creates a circumstance with the highest likelihood of discarding schools whose claim on being in a power conference is historical or merely geographical.

 

[FfldCntyFan]

An argument can easily be made that without a hall of fame coach (Jay Wright), Nova isn't close to a program that can impact the tournament.

Regardless, the P schools aren't going to leave the NCAA, they're just going to continue to further marginalize every at a G level.

 

[NH Husky]

Why would they bother if including the Big East and PAC 12? Why share?

Because there are enough quality teams outside the P4 that their champion could not make the claim of being the best. The regular season would mean nothing because the majority of teams would make their “tournament”. Their “tournament” would be not much more than current conference tournaments. And the loss of David vs Goliath Cinderellas would reduce casual interest.

 

[ZooCougar]

Because there are enough quality teams outside the P4 that their champion could not make the claim of being the best. The regular season would mean nothing because the majority of teams would make their “tournament”. Their “tournament” would be not much more than current conference tournaments. And the loss of David vs Goliath Cinderellas would reduce casual interest.

I honestly don’t think they care. They see the tournament as a welfare program where one bid leagues take lucrative spots away from .500 P4 programs.

The idea that the P4 will play nice and include the Big East if they go that route is pure naïveté.

 

[CL82]

An argument can easily be made that without a hall of fame coach (Jay Wright), Nova isn't close to a program that can impact the tournament.

Regardless, the P schools aren't going to leave the NCAA, they're just going to continue to further marginalize every at a G level.

The threat of leaving will likely allow them to get most of what they want without the hassle, forming a new association. The only time that changes is if they decide they don't want to fund D2 and D3 athletics.

 

[UConnTrumbull]

For those who believe in an anti-UConn conspiracy

 

[ScottVib]

I just do not see basketball spinning off. There are many more colleges that are competitive in basketball than football. I would think congress and courts would get involved if a significant number of teams did not have access to the basketball tournament. Football particularly for a chance at a national championship has always been limited to perhaps 20 schools. True before NIL and true after.

Congress isn't stepping in to protect the small schools. They definitely aren't stepping into protecting the non-public schools. Washington's congressional delegation isn't protecting Gonzaga's rights if it runs counter to UW's interests. Nebraska's legislature isn't looking out for Creighton at Nebraska's expense, Marquette vs Wisconsin, Villanova vs. Penn State, etc.

If the P4 chooses to break away, they'll do it and they'll end up controlling the vast majority of the money. Instead right now they're avoiding the headache by pushing for tournament expansion that will heavily favor them. I wouldn't be shocked if the next salvo is a structure to the units that favors the larger conferences (or potentially the later rounds, where the P4 schools would gain more than the smaller schools who benefit more from the early round upsets).

 

[UConnJim]

Congress isn't stepping in to protect the small schools. They definitely aren't stepping into protecting the non-public schools. Washington's congressional delegation isn't protecting Gonzaga's rights if it runs counter to UW's interests. Nebraska's legislature isn't looking out for Creighton at Nebraska's expense, Marquette vs Wisconsin, Villanova vs. Penn State, etc.

If the P4 chooses to break away, they'll do it and they'll end up controlling the vast majority of the money. Instead right now they're avoiding the headache by pushing for tournament expansion that will heavily favor them. I wouldn't be shocked if the next salvo is a structure to the units that favors the larger conferences (or potentially the later rounds, where the P4 schools would gain more than the smaller schools who benefit more from the early round upsets).

I disagree with you. Using your Washington example, one of the Senators, Patty Murray is a graduate of Washington St. So, she will be OK with Washington St. being excluded? What about Oregon? Oregon St.'s enrollment is 50% larger than Oregon's. And, in a state like Pennsylvania, you are going to exclude Temple, St. Joe's, Penn, Villanova, Drexel, Bucknell, Duquesne, LaSalle, Lafayette, Lehigh, Robert Morris? Or are New York senators going to help Syracuse over SUNY Buffalo, SUNY Albany, SUNY Binghamton, Niagara, Canisius, LeMoyne, Colgate, Columbia, St. John's, Marist, Siena, St. Bonaventure, Hofstra, SUNY Stony Brook, Wagner, West Point, Fordham, Manhattan, Wagner, Iona,... ? In California, there are 22 basketball schools not in the P4 vs 4 schools in the P4. In Illinois, there are 11 basketball schools not in the P4 and 2 that are in the P4. In SEC country, the non P4 schools overwhelms the number of P4 schools.