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[FfldCntyFan]

Usually schools initiate contact with conferences, not the other way around.

I know. The thing is the news that hit yesterday was the Sun Belt approached ECU and ECU said "thanks but no thanks".

 

[pepband99]

Not sure how you can look at the results of college sports the last two years and say that in sincerity

Missouri, Nebraska, Texas Tech, South Carolina, Ole Miss, Colorado have all landed 5* players in the last 2 years out of high school. The talent in CFB is more spread out than it ever has been

Go look at recruiting classes from 2018, 2019, etc and how much of the talent is held within 5 schools. Then go look at at 2023/2024/2025 recruiting classes. It’s not even remotely close to the same thing

Another data point - this timeline also coincided with the biggest drop in emphasis on high school recruiting in decades. I would bet on more of a return to normalcy post-House.

 

[Kolumbo]

I know. The thing is the news that hit yesterday was the Sun Belt approached ECU and ECU said "thanks but no thanks".

 

[SU1968]

I think John Silver pointed out that it is actually the AD's. The Presidents do whatever the AD's want consistent with increasing fundraising. My brother the academic pointed out to me that Presidents are measured on their fund raising, full stop. The Provost handles the academic side of things.

It's the presidents. The AD's and conference commissioner are the hired help.

 

[Exit 4]

It's the presidents. The AD's and conference commissioner are the hired help.

Given this is the non key thread, I am going to take the liberty to see if you have any comments on the hit piece by the NY Times on Syracuse throwing discounted tuition at kids here in June in a desperation to boost their 2029 class. I have the last three years of my local HS's college placement book. Its fascinating to see you need a 4.0 GPA for UConn and just a 3.5 for Cuse.

 

[Mister Wonderful]

Given this is the non key thread, I am going to take the liberty to see if you have any comments on the hit piece by the NY Times on Syracuse throwing discounted tuition at kids here in June in a desperation to boost their 2029 class. I have the last three years of my local HS's college placement book. Its fascinating to see you need a 4.0 GPA for UConn and just a 3.5 for Cuse.

You just killed a man

 

[Chuck]

Given this is the non key thread, I am going to take the liberty to see if you have any comments on the hit piece by the NY Times on Syracuse throwing discounted tuition at kids here in June in a desperation to boost their 2029 class. I have the last three years of my local HS's college placement book. Its fascinating to see you need a 4.0 GPA for UConn and just a 3.5 for Cuse.

I saw that. We have a ton of kids from our school in NJ at Syracuse. Syracuse has done a good job by having a few flagship programs (like Newhouse) that help the reputation and student stats of the entire school. Those schools are still difficult to get into, but the gen pop is pretty easy and the school is certainly expensive. I've always thought of Syracuse to be like a mid-level big state school (pros and cons) but with a much bigger sticker price.

Syracuse isn't the only school dealing with filling their class. But instead of pulling lots off the waitlist they offered a TON of money to kids that had turned them down already. I guess the reason was: i) get kids you already deemed worthy rather than those that weren't; and/or ii) help the yield because those kids were already accepted. The biggest complainers seem to be those that already accepted without the big offers. I get why they're upset, but they gave up the better deal by locking in a spot. But Syracuse is in for some rough waters next year when everyone decides to accept another offer and wait until May/June for Syracuse to cough up more money.

This may not make you feel better, but there are kids getting into UConn from my New Jersey school with below 3.0s. Really sucks for Connecticut kids that get sent to a branch when some idiot from our school gets in with a 2.8 (real example). UConn has become pretty easy to get into out of state.

 

[SU1968]

Given this is the non key thread, I am going to take the liberty to see if you have any comments on the hit piece by the NY Times on Syracuse throwing discounted tuition at kids here in June in a desperation to boost their 2029 class. I have the last three years of my local HS's college placement book. Its fascinating to see you need a 4.0 GPA for UConn and just a 3.5 for Cuse.

I'm not sure what the two topics have in common, but okay.

 

[Exit 4]

This may not make you feel better, but there are kids getting into UConn from my New Jersey school with below 3.0s. Really sucks for Connecticut kids that get sent to a branch when some idiot from our school gets in with a 2.8 (real example). UConn has become pretty easy to get into out of state.

Chuck, I was generalizing to be nice about GPAs. The lowest GPA into Syracuse this year was 2.9, in other years its been lower.

The line I reference is really the line where it goes from 90% chance to 50/50. A kid from lower CT has a 90% chance at Syracuse (if they dont apply for Newhouse) with a 3.5 GPA. For UConn Storrs that line is a 4.0. I'm guessing overall there has been a erosion for Syracuse. I suspect 25 years ago it was the opposite, 4.0 for Cuse and 3.5 UConn....perhaps it was an even larger gap.

Meanwhile, UConn Storrs had too many kids accept last year...a problem few schools have.

 

[Kolumbo]

I saw that. We have a ton of kids from our school in NJ at Syracuse. Syracuse has done a good job by having a few flagship programs (like Newhouse) that help the reputation and student stats of the entire school. Those schools are still difficult to get into, but the gen pop is pretty easy and the school is certainly expensive. I've always thought of Syracuse to be like a mid-level big state school (pros and cons) but with a much bigger sticker price.

Syracuse isn't the only school dealing with filling their class. But instead of pulling lots off the waitlist they offered a TON of money to kids that had turned them down already. I guess the reason was: i) get kids you already deemed worthy rather than those that weren't; and/or ii) help the yield because those kids were already accepted. The biggest complainers seem to be those that already accepted without the big offers. I get why they're upset, but they gave up the better deal by locking in a spot. But Syracuse is in for some rough waters next year when everyone decides to accept another offer and wait until May/June for Syracuse to cough up more money.

This may not make you feel better, but there are kids getting into UConn from my New Jersey school with below 3.0s. Really sucks for Connecticut kids that get sent to a branch when some idiot from our school gets in with a 2.8 (real example). UConn has become pretty easy to get into out of state.

The average GPA is about 3.76 so I guess we'd have to dig deeper into your 2.8 example's other qualifications. From Prepscholar:

"With a GPA of 3.76, UConn requires you to be above average in your high school class. You'll need at least a mix of A's and B's, with more A's than B's. You can compensate for a lower GPA with harder classes, like AP or IB classes. This will show that you're able to handle more difficult academics than the average high school student.

"If you're currently a junior or senior, your GPA is hard to change in time for college applications. If your GPA is at or below the school average of 3.76, you'll need a higher SAT or ACT score to compensate. This will help you compete effectively against other applicants who have higher GPAs than you."

This Year's UConn Admission Requirements

Find out admissions requirements for UConn, including GPA requirements and SAT, ACT, and application requirements.

www.prepscholar.com

 

[Chuck]

The average GPA is about 3.76 so I guess we'd have to dig deeper into your 2.8 example's other qualifications. From Prepscholar:

"With a GPA of 3.76, UConn requires you to be above average in your high school class. You'll need at least a mix of A's and B's, with more A's than B's. You can compensate for a lower GPA with harder classes, like AP or IB classes. This will show that you're able to handle more difficult academics than the average high school student.

"If you're currently a junior or senior, your GPA is hard to change in time for college applications. If your GPA is at or below the school average of 3.76, you'll need a higher SAT or ACT score to compensate. This will help you compete effectively against other applicants who have higher GPAs than you."

This Year's UConn Admission Requirements

Find out admissions requirements for UConn, including GPA requirements and SAT, ACT, and application requirements.

www.prepscholar.com

I'm a UConn fan (school and sports). I have a daughter who almost went a few years ago. My comments about UConn were really meant to be separate from Syracuse (which I also have no problem with outside of the former rivalry). UConn is taking out of state kids with much lower credentials than Connecticut kids and I assume it's because they pay more (coupled with UConn's budget cuts). 3.76 is the average accepted gpa and its skewed by how many schools kids are applying to now. There are a bunch of kids that applied from our school with well over a weighted 4.0. None of them went, but it drives up the average gpa. My 2.8 was the extreme, but more than 50% of those with under a 3.3 got in. Throw in a standardized test and only 1 kid in the last 4 years has been rejected with a 1200 or better SAT and none with a 27 or better ACT regardless of gpa.

 

[Exit 4]

UConn is taking out of state schools with much lower credentials than Connecticut kids and I assume it's because they pay more (coupled with UConn's budget cuts).

Must be the factor here. But in discussing UConn vs Syracuse, Syracuse should generally have the same standards to all applicants given in state/out of state tuition is off the table.

Not sure what UConn should strive for, maybe 35% or near 40% out of state perhaps.

 

[hank970]

I'm a UConn fan (school and sports). I have a daughter who almost went a few years ago. My comments about UConn were really meant to be separate from Syracuse (which I also have no problem with outside of the former rivalry). UConn is taking out of state kids with much lower credentials than Connecticut kids and I assume it's because they pay more (coupled with UConn's budget cuts). 3.76 is the average accepted gpa and its skewed by how many schools kids are applying to now. There are a bunch of kids that applied from our school with well over a weighted 4.0. None of them went, but it drives up the average gpa. My 2.8 was the extreme, but more than 50% of those with under a 3.3 got in. Throw in a standardized test and only 1 kid in the last 4 years has been rejected with a 1200 or better SAT and none with a 27 or better ACT regardless of gpa.

Is there an assumption that a 3.5 GPA represents the same level of achievement in every school district in every state? Are academic expectations the same in rural Connecticut, for example, as they are in urban Connecticut or in other states? Does a 3.5 GPA mean the same thing in New York as it does in Mississippi?

 

[CL82]

This may not make you feel better, but there are kids getting into UConn from my New Jersey school with below 3.0s. Really sucks for Connecticut kids that get sent to a branch when some idiot from our school gets in with a 2.8 (real example). UConn has become pretty easy to get into out of state

Anything else on their application that made them a compelling applicant? (I mean, other than the fact, they would be paying out of state rather than in-state tuition.)

 

[Kolumbo]

Anything else on their application that made them a compelling applicant? (I mean, other than the fact, they would be paying out of state rather than in-state tuition.)

Yes, he's 7'2" has a solid handle, shoots the three-ball and jumps out of the gym!

 

[CL82]

Yes, he's 7'2" has a solid handle, shoots the three-ball and jumps out of the gym!

Clingan was a Connecticut kid. His loyalty to Bristol and the state are part of what make his story so legendary.

 

[Chuck]

Anything else on their application that made them a compelling applicant? (I mean, other than the fact, they would be paying out of state rather than in-state tuition.)

Impossible for me to know. It's just raw datapoints. But there were 4 others below 3.0 and plenty below 3.4 (without impressive SAT/ACT scores). We're a pretty generic town so I wouldn't think there are many kids with compelling stories.

UConn isn't the only one that takes kids that seem to be well below the averages. That's the flaw with averages and the current practice of kids to apply to upwards of 20 schools.

 

[CL82]

Impossible for me to know. It's just raw datapoints. But there were 4 others below 3.0 and plenty below 3.4 (without impressive SAT/ACT scores). We're a pretty generic town so I wouldn't think there are many kids with compelling stories.

UConn isn't the only one that takes kids that seem to be well below the averages. That's the flaw with averages and the current practice of kids to apply to upwards of 20 schools.

Yeah, I was just curious if you knew anything that might've beefed up their resume. In my town, there was a kid who was, at best, a mediocre student, non-athlete, who also had a fairly significant drug problem. He started to get his stuff together, late in his junior year and ended up writing a pretty poignant essay about his addiction. It was good enough to make at least one out of state university give him a shot. Fast-forward more than a few years, he's just starting his residency at a prestigious hospital on the West Coast.

You never know what will make an applicant interesting. I will say whoever the admissions officer was who handled his case for undergrad, made the right read on that, for whatever reason.

 

[RSTuthill]

It's the presidents. The AD's and conference commissioner are the hired help.

Like I said, it is the AD's. The Presidents do not get into the nitty gritty. Their focus is fund raising. As long as a case can be made that the net effect is accretive, they will do what the AD's want. That is where affinity comes in. In the B12 for instance, the proponent schools are those who have played UConn. The others, not so much.

 

[huskymedic]

 

[huskymedic]

These hypotheticals are a waste of time.

Well - that’s why it under Non-Key Tweets and not a separate thread.

 

[jostar1]

Well - that’s why it under Non-Key Tweets and not a separate thread.

Sorry, it wasn't meant to be a knock against you, and God knows I've posted many non-key tweets myself, I just think fans coming up with hypothetical conferences are just wasting their time. Maybe I'm just cranky. I'll delete it.

 

[huskymedic]

Sorry, it wasn't meant to be a knock against you, and God knows I've posted many non-key tweets myself, I just think fans coming up with hypothetical conferences are just wasting their time. Maybe I'm just cranky. I'll delete it.

No harm - no foul.

Agree on rando hypothetical conference… When Carparelli jumped on board it makes me think of the coming great purge of 2030 and the reformation of the survivors. It’s our last hope.

 

[ZooCougar]

 

[ZooCougar]