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Agreed, a B12 collapse would be a great development for us.
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Greg Flugaur @flugempire · 1h1 hour ago
Heads up:
We have new OU Contact info:
1st part was forwarded to us 10 days ago.
2nd part was forwarded to us last night.
Greg Flugaur @flugempire · 1h1 hour ago
Will take a couple of hours to forward info on Twitter.
Subject:Only 1 realistic path to Controlled B12 Implosion
Greg Flugaur @flugempire · 1h1 hour ago
I ask for your patience this morning.
We do have a few hurdles to overcome.
Heads up:
We have new OU Contact info:
1st part was forwarded to us 10 days ago.
2nd part was forwarded to us last night.
Greg Flugaur @flugempire · 1h1 hour ago
Will take a couple of hours to forward info on Twitter.
Subject:Only 1 realistic path to Controlled B12 Implosion
Greg Flugaur @flugempire · 1h1 hour ago
I ask for your patience this morning.
We do have a few hurdles to overcome.
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If it collapsed now it would be a huge disaster for us.
If it's 2025 and we have established a winning football tradition ,have a few AAC championships ,a couple of important bowls wins and have energized it's potential market ,than we might be one of the top properties and number one option for eastern expansion.
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I think if the Big 12 implodes now, we actually in good shape. Yes, our football brand is lousy right now, but everything else we bring to the table is strong. Recent on field football performance will be overshadowed by our other metrics and potential as a football program in the long run. We would be a strong eastern member of any new conference build with the remnants of the Big 12 and the cream of the G5.
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It's a crapshoot. No way to tell. If it happened now, at the very least, the American, or some replacement of it, would be stronger.
I don't think it's likely. I think there will be a 5th Power league unless all the others go to 20. I don't see that happening.
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Whether Kansas was part of the group reforming a league would be significant. KU is much more likely to want a good BB brand to protect their program, and they'd be one of the biggest influencers among the non-OU/UT group.
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They'd all be beggars not choosers at that point. UConn is easily a top 12-14 school among what would be the leftovers...more like top 5. But yeah, I think KU would support UConn. They'd better or they'll have one irate alumni calling the Kansas AG (well his wife anyway).
Greg Flugaur @flugempire · 12m12 minutes ago
The following tweets is information given to us by our OU Contacts through BTM over the last 10 days in 2 separate parts.
Greg Flugaur @flugempire · 11m11 minutes ago
Last OU Contact info came in/we tweeted out on Sept 22nd... informing us Oklahoma would not support any EXP resolution for 2016.
Greg Flugaur @flugempire · 9m9 minutes ago
If you want more details on OU Contact info of Sept 22nd please check our timeline.
Public reports days after supported OU Contact info
Greg Flugaur @flugempire · 8m8 minutes ago
OU-Contact
No B12 Implosion will occur by the way of 1 or more schools challenging the B12 GOR in court.
Greg Flugaur @flugempire · 5m5 minutes ago
OU-Contact
From the perception of OU there will be no course available to have 8 B12 schools taken by other P5 Conferences to dissolve B12.
Greg Flugaur @flugempire · 1m1 minute ago
OU Contact
We are about 24 months away from schools such as Kansas State, Iowa State among others, wanting to make secruity deal w networks
Greg Flugaur @flugempire · 46m46 minutes ago
OU Contacts
Most of B12 schools will want negotiations to take place in 2018/19 w Networks/P5 to secure B12 P5 status well after 2024/25.
Greg Flugaur @flugempire · 44m44 minutes ago
OU Contacts
West Virginia can't afford to gamble on 2024/25 outcome of a non controlled B12 implosion. Many others can't as well.
Greg Flugaur @flugempire · 42m42 minutes ago
OU Contacts
Only bargaining chip many B12 schls have in negotiating GOR/Network Deal/P5 Status ext is to release current GOR in 2018/19.
Greg Flugaur @flugempire · 37m37 minutes ago
OU Contacts
At some point in next 24 months relief will be given to all of B12 schools in 1 of 2 ways.
Greg Flugaur @flugempire · 35m35 minutes ago
1) Schls will be able to talk directly and start negotiations on Conf Realignment
2) Schls who remain in B12 get GOR/NET & P5 ect thur 2035
Greg Flugaur @flugempire · 34m34 minutes ago
OU Contacts
Because of who we have talked with its our belief other Schls including UT share OU's same perception of future..24 months.
Greg Flugaur @flugempire · 33m33 minutes ago
OU Contacts
We don't believe the mechanics of the "relief plan" will truly up and going for another 24 months.
Greg Flugaur @flugempire · 31m31 minutes ago
OU Contacts
PAC, Big 10, SEC & ACC have zero interest in poaching 8 B12 Schls to dissolve Conf.
Value is not consistent enough thur the 8
Greg Flugaur @flugempire · 26m26 minutes ago
OU Contact
Expect "Relief Plan" negotiations to start in approx 24 months with all Schls not named KU-OU-UT approaching NET/media partners.
Jus B@CincyBeerGuru
@brewerjw @flugempire
They are going to let Texas and Oklahoma leave in hopes of saving what's left now, as it will be harder in 2024.
Greg Flugaur @flugempire · 27m27 minutes ago
Yes.
Greg Flugaur @flugempire · 24m24 minutes ago
OU Contacts
From Networks view "Relief Plan" will be acceptable. To extend deal (w minimal bump) with schls remaining thur 2035..ok.
Greg Flugaur @flugempire · 22m22 minutes ago
OU Contacts
Regardless of final outcome in current EXP B12 talks, the current B12 GOR will not be extended.
Greg Flugaur @flugempire · 19m19 minutes ago
OU Contacts
B12 Schls who do not have belief that they will be a part of another P5 Conf expansion plan in 2024 will need to secure future.
Greg Flugaur @flugempire · 18m18 minutes ago
OU Contact
Next round of Conf Realignment begins when "B12 Relief Plan" negotiations start in what we believe is around another 24 months.
Greg Flugaur @flugempire · 17m17 minutes ago
Me:
This is different. OU Contacts have always stated there will be no reshuffling of B12 until 2025 because of GOR..which is real.
Greg Flugaur @flugempire · 17m17 minutes ago
Me: But they've heard enough info in last 10 days for them to put out this info to our BTM.
Ringneck85 @Ringneck85 · 15m15 minutes ago
@flugempire
the only thing that doesnt make sense is the 3 schools. Short of a UT to ACC and KU/OU to B1G seems like you'd need a 4th school
Greg Flugaur@flugempire
@Ringneck85
The number could be even more than 4...but the point is only 3 have real security past 2024/25 when it comes to P5 status & $
Ringneck85 @Ringneck85 · 11m11 minutes ago
@flugempire
but conf change could happen for those 3 as early as 19/20?
Greg Flugaur @flugempire · 8m8 minutes ago
@Ringneck85
According to what OU Contacts just said?...yes. And not just those 3...but not 8.
Why the "Relief Plan" will be the ignition
Greg Flugaur @flugempire · 12m12 minutes ago
@Ringneck85
The other point is..there is no magical formula to move 8 Schls to P5 conferences.
PAC is not taking 6
Not serious scenarios
Murr @MurrDCU · 12m12 minutes ago
@flugempire
Sounds like OU knows its future w/ B12 is done. Just let the "relief" negotiations begin so the remainder of B12 cansecure homes
Greg Flugaur@flugempire
@MurrDCU
Yes.. Majority will need to secure homes in their B12 home with new P5 status/network extension etc.
"B12 Relief Plan"
The Ticket Corner @theticketcorner · 8m8 minutes ago
@flugempire
does this relief plan allow for conf realignment to happen before 2024?
Greg Flugaur@flugempire
@theticketcorner
Yes...according to OU Contacts they believe "Relief Plan" negotiations start in about 24 months.
John Gettys @johnnyn45 · 4m4 minutes ago
@flugempire does this mean all the schools they have talked to about expansion to date are the first choices in two years?
Greg Flugaur@flugempire
@johnnyn45
As B12 backfill? I have no idea.
The following tweets is information given to us by our OU Contacts through BTM over the last 10 days in 2 separate parts.
Greg Flugaur @flugempire · 11m11 minutes ago
Last OU Contact info came in/we tweeted out on Sept 22nd... informing us Oklahoma would not support any EXP resolution for 2016.
Greg Flugaur @flugempire · 9m9 minutes ago
If you want more details on OU Contact info of Sept 22nd please check our timeline.
Public reports days after supported OU Contact info
Greg Flugaur @flugempire · 8m8 minutes ago
OU-Contact
No B12 Implosion will occur by the way of 1 or more schools challenging the B12 GOR in court.
Greg Flugaur @flugempire · 5m5 minutes ago
OU-Contact
From the perception of OU there will be no course available to have 8 B12 schools taken by other P5 Conferences to dissolve B12.
Greg Flugaur @flugempire · 1m1 minute ago
OU Contact
We are about 24 months away from schools such as Kansas State, Iowa State among others, wanting to make secruity deal w networks
Greg Flugaur @flugempire · 46m46 minutes ago
OU Contacts
Most of B12 schools will want negotiations to take place in 2018/19 w Networks/P5 to secure B12 P5 status well after 2024/25.
Greg Flugaur @flugempire · 44m44 minutes ago
OU Contacts
West Virginia can't afford to gamble on 2024/25 outcome of a non controlled B12 implosion. Many others can't as well.
Greg Flugaur @flugempire · 42m42 minutes ago
OU Contacts
Only bargaining chip many B12 schls have in negotiating GOR/Network Deal/P5 Status ext is to release current GOR in 2018/19.
Greg Flugaur @flugempire · 37m37 minutes ago
OU Contacts
At some point in next 24 months relief will be given to all of B12 schools in 1 of 2 ways.
Greg Flugaur @flugempire · 35m35 minutes ago
1) Schls will be able to talk directly and start negotiations on Conf Realignment
2) Schls who remain in B12 get GOR/NET & P5 ect thur 2035
Greg Flugaur @flugempire · 34m34 minutes ago
OU Contacts
Because of who we have talked with its our belief other Schls including UT share OU's same perception of future..24 months.
Greg Flugaur @flugempire · 33m33 minutes ago
OU Contacts
We don't believe the mechanics of the "relief plan" will truly up and going for another 24 months.
Greg Flugaur @flugempire · 31m31 minutes ago
OU Contacts
PAC, Big 10, SEC & ACC have zero interest in poaching 8 B12 Schls to dissolve Conf.
Value is not consistent enough thur the 8
Greg Flugaur @flugempire · 26m26 minutes ago
OU Contact
Expect "Relief Plan" negotiations to start in approx 24 months with all Schls not named KU-OU-UT approaching NET/media partners.
Jus B@CincyBeerGuru
@brewerjw @flugempire
They are going to let Texas and Oklahoma leave in hopes of saving what's left now, as it will be harder in 2024.
Greg Flugaur @flugempire · 27m27 minutes ago
Yes.
Greg Flugaur @flugempire · 24m24 minutes ago
OU Contacts
From Networks view "Relief Plan" will be acceptable. To extend deal (w minimal bump) with schls remaining thur 2035..ok.
Greg Flugaur @flugempire · 22m22 minutes ago
OU Contacts
Regardless of final outcome in current EXP B12 talks, the current B12 GOR will not be extended.
Greg Flugaur @flugempire · 19m19 minutes ago
OU Contacts
B12 Schls who do not have belief that they will be a part of another P5 Conf expansion plan in 2024 will need to secure future.
Greg Flugaur @flugempire · 18m18 minutes ago
OU Contact
Next round of Conf Realignment begins when "B12 Relief Plan" negotiations start in what we believe is around another 24 months.
Greg Flugaur @flugempire · 17m17 minutes ago
Me:
This is different. OU Contacts have always stated there will be no reshuffling of B12 until 2025 because of GOR..which is real.
Greg Flugaur @flugempire · 17m17 minutes ago
Me: But they've heard enough info in last 10 days for them to put out this info to our BTM.
Ringneck85 @Ringneck85 · 15m15 minutes ago
@flugempire
the only thing that doesnt make sense is the 3 schools. Short of a UT to ACC and KU/OU to B1G seems like you'd need a 4th school
Greg Flugaur@flugempire
@Ringneck85
The number could be even more than 4...but the point is only 3 have real security past 2024/25 when it comes to P5 status & $
Ringneck85 @Ringneck85 · 11m11 minutes ago
@flugempire
but conf change could happen for those 3 as early as 19/20?
Greg Flugaur @flugempire · 8m8 minutes ago
@Ringneck85
According to what OU Contacts just said?...yes. And not just those 3...but not 8.
Why the "Relief Plan" will be the ignition
Greg Flugaur @flugempire · 12m12 minutes ago
@Ringneck85
The other point is..there is no magical formula to move 8 Schls to P5 conferences.
PAC is not taking 6
Not serious scenarios
Murr @MurrDCU · 12m12 minutes ago
@flugempire
Sounds like OU knows its future w/ B12 is done. Just let the "relief" negotiations begin so the remainder of B12 cansecure homes
Greg Flugaur@flugempire
@MurrDCU
Yes.. Majority will need to secure homes in their B12 home with new P5 status/network extension etc.
"B12 Relief Plan"
The Ticket Corner @theticketcorner · 8m8 minutes ago
@flugempire
does this relief plan allow for conf realignment to happen before 2024?
Greg Flugaur@flugempire
@theticketcorner
Yes...according to OU Contacts they believe "Relief Plan" negotiations start in about 24 months.
John Gettys @johnnyn45 · 4m4 minutes ago
@flugempire does this mean all the schools they have talked to about expansion to date are the first choices in two years?
Greg Flugaur@flugempire
@johnnyn45
As B12 backfill? I have no idea.
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everyone since Navy has taken those away with a spy.. that ought to open up some tight end space....
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Not what I expected. Not at all unrealistic either. If true it's a refreshing concession to reality by the other schools in the Big XII. Each of them may hold some delusion of grandeur and an open negotiation process will disabuse them of those notions. They'll then realize they need to heavily poach the American and MWC to make a best of the rest.
As for UConn , it can only be positive. Provides some possible windows for the B1G or ACC to include us with others. Worst case we're high on the list for the "best of the rest".
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I am beginning to believe that Flugaur might actually have real contacts within the B12. It is a good thing the other 8 are finally realizing depending on OU and TX is just asking for the death sentence. It is much easier to do a controlled implosion vs. leave it up to fate in 2024 when OU and TX bail for greener pastures.
What does this mean for UCONN? It means we will have an opportunity to either join one of the ones that are safe due to our location (B1G and ACC), or we can join the other 8 and form the best of the rest. The only thing I hope for is that best of the rest maintain the P5 status. I would imagine the other 8 will try to build a conference that will maximize media dollars, build a conference network, and have some kind of GOR in place to minimize further poaching. If that best of rest conference can't keep its P5 status, then all bets are off and it will be another AAC type of conference all over again.
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And of course it will probably be more than 3.
But it won't be 8.
"Relief Plan" will be the ignition to next round.
Brian Rice @StudioBPR · 42m42 minutes ago
@flugempire
So what I'm gathering from all this is that 7 leftovers would voluntarily release OU/Tx/KU for new deal securing long term?
Greg Flugaur@flugempire
@StudioBPR
It will probably be less than 7 leftovers...but yes.
Greg Flugaur @flugempire · 41m41 minutes ago
We have received lots of great comments since our OU Contacts relayed to us the "B12 Relief Plan" OU believes will occur in 24 months
1/2
Greg Flugaur @flugempire · 39m39 minutes ago
However...we need to clear something up.
The number of B12 schls looking for secruity in plan will probably be less than 7.
2/2
Greg Flugaur @flugempire · 37m37 minutes ago
The major point = there are no pathway (according to OU Contacts) for 8 B12 Schls to find new P5 homes.
Jason Sallans @jasonincbus · 36m36 minutes ago
@flugempire
with the next wave of realignment coming, could there not be homes for 8 Big12 because schools like Cincy &UH could be involved?
Greg Flugaur@flugempire
@jasonincbus
No...not in current P5 conferences.
lawrence doresey @LDoresey · 34m34 minutes ago
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is OSU in that relief plan or are they tagging along somewhere else?
Greg Flugaur@flugempire
@LDoresey
No idea. They may not know either. It's why it will take 24 months to get going..schls need to figure out their outside interest
@Briuconn @johnnyn45
And of course it will probably be more than 3.
But it won't be 8.
"Relief Plan" will be the ignition to next round.
Brian Rice @StudioBPR · 42m42 minutes ago
@flugempire
So what I'm gathering from all this is that 7 leftovers would voluntarily release OU/Tx/KU for new deal securing long term?
Greg Flugaur@flugempire
@StudioBPR
It will probably be less than 7 leftovers...but yes.
Greg Flugaur @flugempire · 41m41 minutes ago
We have received lots of great comments since our OU Contacts relayed to us the "B12 Relief Plan" OU believes will occur in 24 months
1/2
Greg Flugaur @flugempire · 39m39 minutes ago
However...we need to clear something up.
The number of B12 schls looking for secruity in plan will probably be less than 7.
2/2
Greg Flugaur @flugempire · 37m37 minutes ago
The major point = there are no pathway (according to OU Contacts) for 8 B12 Schls to find new P5 homes.
Jason Sallans @jasonincbus · 36m36 minutes ago
@flugempire
with the next wave of realignment coming, could there not be homes for 8 Big12 because schools like Cincy &UH could be involved?
Greg Flugaur@flugempire
@jasonincbus
No...not in current P5 conferences.
lawrence doresey @LDoresey · 34m34 minutes ago
@flugempire
is OSU in that relief plan or are they tagging along somewhere else?
Greg Flugaur@flugempire
@LDoresey
No idea. They may not know either. It's why it will take 24 months to get going..schls need to figure out their outside interest
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He says that the "rest", who will number no more than 7, and possibly less than 7, evidently have a guarantee from the networks that if they do this, the new league would be P5 and have a slight revenue increase from today, along with a GOR through 2035. I presume that not expanding now saves them enough $ to do that.
I find this realistic, because I can see the networks preferring to increase the size of the other 4 leagues slightly, and cut the American and MWC down by combining the best of them in a new Big 12. It widens the gulf between the P5 and G5. There would be nothing close to as strong as the current American left.
The escalated time frame makes sense as well, since the pressure to expand now won't abate as long as those schools are in limbo.
Brian Rice @StudioBPR · 17m17 minutes ago
@theDudeofWV
Today he's posting his OU contacts predict Big 12 leftovers will voluntarily release GoR for long term network security (1/3)
Christopher Lambert @theDudeofWV · 15m15 minutes ago
@StudioBPR Really? Do I have to tell you how crazy that is?
Christopher Lambert @theDudeofWV · 3m3 minutes ago
@StudioBPR So the B12 is going to let UT & OU out in exchange for something the GoR gives it thru 2025 anyway? Right.
Christopher Lambert @theDudeofWV · 6m6 minutes ago
@StudioBPR
I hope people aren't buying into that seriously flawed and incorrect line.
@theDudeofWV
Today he's posting his OU contacts predict Big 12 leftovers will voluntarily release GoR for long term network security (1/3)
Christopher Lambert @theDudeofWV · 15m15 minutes ago
@StudioBPR Really? Do I have to tell you how crazy that is?
Christopher Lambert @theDudeofWV · 3m3 minutes ago
@StudioBPR So the B12 is going to let UT & OU out in exchange for something the GoR gives it thru 2025 anyway? Right.
Christopher Lambert @theDudeofWV · 6m6 minutes ago
@StudioBPR
I hope people aren't buying into that seriously flawed and incorrect line.
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Like the Dude, I have a hard believing anyone can assure the left behind (the Orphan 8, let's call them) that they will have continued P5 status well into the future. Once the BE started getting nibbled, the other conferences were less inclined to allow it to remain at the adult table.
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This controlled implosion plan sounds like a leak by the OU athletic department to really put the Little 8 to the test.
Greg Flugaur@flugempire
OU Contacts
PAC, Big 10, SEC & ACC have zero interest in poaching 8 B12 Schls to dissolve Conf.
Value is not consistent enough thur the 8
Grimmetal Deplorable @grimmetal · 16m16 minutes ago
This doesn't make sense. If those schools are worthless in realignment, why are they worth something now? Reality says otherwise.
Greg Flugaur @flugempire · 13m13 minutes ago
@grimmetal
Leftovers B12 are not perceived by the P4 to be worth the future GROWTH value of P4 slots..but Networks...
Greg Flugaur @flugempire · 12m12 minutes ago
@grimmetal
...but networks will stabilize their future in securing GOR to 2035, P5 status and stable $....just not B1G/SEC/ACC future $
Greg Flugaur@flugempire
@theDudeofWV will be writing "B12 Relief Plan" scenario which will look similar to OU contacts stated today...
....within 6 months.
Watch
OU Contacts
PAC, Big 10, SEC & ACC have zero interest in poaching 8 B12 Schls to dissolve Conf.
Value is not consistent enough thur the 8
Grimmetal Deplorable @grimmetal · 16m16 minutes ago
This doesn't make sense. If those schools are worthless in realignment, why are they worth something now? Reality says otherwise.
Greg Flugaur @flugempire · 13m13 minutes ago
@grimmetal
Leftovers B12 are not perceived by the P4 to be worth the future GROWTH value of P4 slots..but Networks...
Greg Flugaur @flugempire · 12m12 minutes ago
@grimmetal
...but networks will stabilize their future in securing GOR to 2035, P5 status and stable $....just not B1G/SEC/ACC future $
Greg Flugaur@flugempire
@theDudeofWV will be writing "B12 Relief Plan" scenario which will look similar to OU contacts stated today...
....within 6 months.
Watch
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Worthless does not equal "not of interest to one of the other conferences".
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Throwing this in.
Mark Blaudschun @blauds 45m45 minutes ago
Big 12 expansion could be in the hands of ESPN or Fox as much as the conference. http://TMGcollegesports.com
Mark Blaudschun @blauds 45m45 minutes ago
Big 12 expansion could be in the hands of ESPN or Fox as much as the conference. http://TMGcollegesports.com
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Any thoughts on what might happen to UConn if this scenario ends up happening?
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pretty sure it ends in a kick for UConn. but only after a tortuously drawn out sliver of hope keeps us glued to the cr board for another year.
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to his point, the value they have is controlling the GOR. they would allow UT and OU to leave 5 years early in exchange for an extension of the network deal.
Can anyone see WVU getting into the ACC before Uconn?
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let's throw this out as legit. And as much as i've railed against the can Diaco tirade, does Uconn see this as a last train and sign a deal with the devil (Briles or something of that nature) and go for immediate success on the field...
Does anyone have an issue with Petrino at UofL?
Does anyone have an issue with Petrino at UofL?
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The other conferences were determined that the Big East not remain at any table at all.
I think it will be harder to deny the Big 12 remnants.
At that point, I think they have to add four quickly and if they add some combo of BYU, Houston, UConn, Cincy and the directional Floridas, I think they still have some clout.
Unlike our feckless empty suits, Texas and some of those flyover states have governors, senators and reps with sharp elbows. It might be hard for Big State U in Texas or Kansas or Oklahoma or wherever to try to squeeze out another state school on the basis of greed.