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I hope for that as well. UCONN and UVA, and then we can reconfigure the B1G East so we don't get murderer's row each year.
 
WestHartHusk said:
God I hate the Rutgers arrogance so f*king much. Any rate the BTN is getting is based on the value of PSU, OSU, UM, MSU, NEB - NOT RUTTY. You sound like a Washington Generals fan boasting about your ticket sales.
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Washington Generals. Exactly!
 
CL82 said:
Fair enough Jay. As I said often, I don't begrudge RU it's success in getting into the B1G. I'll be watching a lot of your games this year. Hopefully we will be in the same conference in the near future.
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As of right now I'm supportive of Rutgers to the B1G.
I hope that they become strong advocates of our future inclusion.
A game between us played in New York would go a long way in the areas college football revival. I'm old enough to remember ND and Army being a huge game.
Let's hope they don't do a Syracuse and stab us in the back.
If they take that route they will be "il tuo morte per me"
Like all our other former Big East mates with the possible exception of WV.
 
AZHuskiePop said:
As of right now I'm supportive of Rutgers to the B1G.
I hope that they become strong advocates of our future inclusion.
A game between us played in New York would go a long way in the areas college football revival. I'm old enough to remember ND and Army being a huge game.
Let's hope they don't do a Syracuse and stab us in the back.
If they take that route they will be "il tuo morte per me"
Like all our other former Big East mates with the possible exception of WV.
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I also wish Rutgers the best as I know a lot of people who went their and whose kids are going there now. They are a state school that happened to be in a geographic sweet spot. Good for them. As for stabbing UConn in the face (in the back is when they are in the same conference), they first need to stop Hermann from stabbing themselves in the foot before they can stab anyone else.
 
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WestHartHusk said:
God I hate the Rutgers arrogance so f*king much. Any rate the BTN is getting is based on the value of PSU, OSU, UM, MSU, NEB - NOT RUTTY. You sound like a Washington Generals fan boasting about your ticket sales.
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They are Jim Delany's baby now. That is all that needs to be said.
 
@WHH - I've never found Rutgers fans to arrogant. Needy is the word that I'd use. They always seem to making the case for why they are a good team, school etc. and they never really seem all that convinced of it themselves. I suspect that may change if they have any success at all in the B1G.
 
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CL82 said:
@WHH - I've never found Rutgers fans to arrogant. Needy is the word that I'd use. They always seem to making the case for why they are a good team, school etc. and they never really seem all that convinced of it themselves. I suspect that may change if they have any success at all in the B1G.
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Any time that a Rutgers fan trolls the board, the automated response given should be "Fencing. 1949." Let them feel like champions, too...
 
CoastAtlantic said:
Christopher Lambert ‏@theDudeofWV 3h
All B12 fans & expansion junkies should pay close attention to what happens with Powers at Texas. Very close attention!
Bruce Harris ‏@JBruceHarris 3h
@theDudeofWV why?
Christopher Lambert ‏@theDudeofWV 3h
@JBruceHarris Powers played a role in keeping the Big 12 intact. He was pro Big 12.


Yeah, because if we've learned anything about realignment it is that the fate of conferences rest on a potential presidential change...

Wait, what?
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There had been rumors that the new AD Patterson has had some interest in sniffing around to see what alternatives might be out there for UT. A new President that doesn't have blind loyalty to the Big 12 may let Patterson see what is out there.

They obviously have the LHN so any proposed moves would have to keep that (or its equal revenue) in place plus they must feel they would have the same access to the playoff as they currently have in the Big 12.

Patterson came from ASU so he may seek to have a conversation with the PAC12 or maybe Swofford makes another bend me over deal with them like he made with ND that lets them be partial members & keep the LHN.

While I doubt that the replacement of Powers at UT will result in immediate CR activity, this may be something to keep a long range eye on
 
bobbyinaz said:
There had been rumors that the new AD Patterson has had some interest in sniffing around to see what alternatives might be out there for UT. A new President that doesn't have blind loyalty to the Big 12 may let Patterson see what is out there.

They obviously have the LHN so any proposed moves would have to keep that (or its equal revenue) in place plus they must feel they would have the same access to the playoff as they currently have in the Big 12.

Patterson came from ASU so he may seek to have a conversation with the PAC12 or maybe Swofford makes another bend me over deal with them like he made with ND that lets them be partial members & keep the LHN.

While I doubt that the replacement of Powers at UT will result in immediate CR activity, this may be something to keep a long range eye on
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I believe that because of the LHN, which is ESPN, ESPN will strongly encourage Texas to look ACC or SEC over any other choice should Texas look to make a change. Texas has long supported staying in the Big XII, so I'm not sure they will go anywhere. It's Oklahoma that has aspirations for the PAC 12. They would be the encouragement for Texas to look west.
 
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btstimpy said:
I believe that because of the LHN, which is ESPN, ESPN will strongly encourage Texas to look ACC or SEC over any other choice should Texas look to make a change. Texas has long supported staying in the Big XII, so I'm not sure they will go anywhere. It's Oklahoma that has aspirations for the PAC 12. They would be the encouragement for Texas to look west.
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According to their board Landthieves the Okie fans are 80/20 pro-B1G as they dont want to be relegated to the PTZ or PAC12 but know OSU would have to go it alone....I enjoy many hrs on their CR board...quite interesting how badly most hate WV and want out of the Big12 but need Texas and the Red River rivalry to stay alive to appease their big money boosters.Castiglione always has his eyes cast east.
 
I'm sure the school would love an invite also but I don't see it happening for the reasons you mention.

If OU were to leave it would most likely start a domino reaction that breaks up the Big 12. Since UT would be moving on as well in that situation there is a likelihood that they can schedule each other OOC so the Red River Rivalry can survive.

The bigger issue is what happens to OSU? If they are tied to each other, as has been rumored, that would be the end of the Sooners to B1G since there is no chance OSU gets in
 
NickyNewark said:
According to their board Landthieves the Okie fans are 80/20 pro-B1G as they dont want to be relegated to the PTZ or PAC12 but know OSU would have to go it alone....I enjoy many hrs on their CR board...quite interesting how badly most hate WV and want out of the Big12 but need Texas and the Red River rivalry to stay alive to appease their big money boosters.Castiglione always has his eyes cast east.
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80/20? No. I'd say they are pretty well split. Many like The PAC, others The B1G, and the football above everything else crew favors The SEC. I agree that very few want to remain in the current version of The Big 12 however. OU and KU fans do seem to HATE WVU's inclusion in the conference.
 
Ldandy said:
80/20? No. I'd say they are pretty well split. Many like The PAC, others The B1G, and the football above everything else crew favors The SEC. I agree that very few want to remain in the current version of The Big 12 however. OU and KU fans do seem to HATE WVU's inclusion in the conference.
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My numbers may have been off some but NONE mentioned ACC and many did mention the SEC lol..I spent (and seen your posts) quite a few hrs there and was impressed with the level of poster but that Pacific Time zone thing is a buzz killer and having lived in the San Fernando valley in LA,Ca with transplanted Okies and Jayhawks was impressed with them as nice decent all american type folks!! Thats probably the sliver of PAC appeal? Im still good friends with many today.
 
There are so many ways this could play out, in the event of a B12 breakup. First, if the scenario unfolds, from most ACC fans' perspective they would prefer Texas as a #16, even as a partial. If not, then it becomes interesting. UT to the PAC surely means OU follows them. Then it becomes a question of if KU follows OU or Okie State tags along.I think the PAC, if given a choice, 100% prefers Kansas. Okie State could go SEC. West Virginia could find themselves in the ACC, with UConn (my preference) or Iowa State. If it is the oft-mentioned foursome of UT OU TT OSU to the PAC then I could see the B1G make a play for Kansas and Mizzou, as there are no other viable options for them, being that the ACC would definitely survive in that scenario. The SEC can then take WVU, for all I care.
 
Kansas would far prefer the B1G to Pac. They have a lot of affinity to Nebraska, Iowa, Illinois, Minnesota, Wisconsin, Indiana. Not much affinity to California, Arizona, Oregon, Washington, or Utah. Plus the travel is worse in the Pac and the money is better in the B1G.

And if Kansas goes B1G, I don't see why Oklahoma and Texas wouldn't follow.

But if OU and UT went to the Pac with TT and OSU (and taking care of little brothers would be the only reason to do it), then I think the B1G goes for Kansas and UConn in preference to Kansas and Missouri, assuming Missouri is even available. Kansas gives them Kansas City, they already have part of St Louis with Illinois, and Connecticut with no pro sports teams and penetration to New England and New York is worth more than Missouri with multiple pro teams, no out of state penetration, and its home state already half-penetrated by Kansas and Illinois. The only advantage Missouri has is AAU.
 
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CoastAtlantic said:
There are so many ways this could play out, in the event of a B12 breakup. First, if the scenario unfolds, from most ACC fans' perspective they would prefer Texas as a #16, even as a partial. If not, then it becomes interesting. UT to the PAC surely means OU follows them. Then it becomes a question of if KU follows OU or Okie State tags along.I think the PAC, if given a choice, 100% prefers Kansas. Okie State could go SEC. West Virginia could find themselves in the ACC, with UConn (my preference) or Iowa State. If it is the oft-mentioned foursome of UT OU TT OSU to the PAC then I could see the B1G make a play for Kansas and Mizzou, as there are no other viable options for them, being that the ACC would definitely survive in that scenario. The SEC can then take WVU, for all I care.
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You know having UT and ND in the ACC would sure be interesting to watch.
 
I think that the ACC would be the only conference that would offer a sweetheart deal to Texas like they have done with ND. Texas could keep all LHN revenue in addition to the ACC contract if they came aboard full-time and signed the GOR . But that said, Texas already has a sweetheart deal in the B12 and it appears that the remaining conference members are content with it, for some baffling reason. KU would be a great addition to the B1G and they would double their revenue overnight. But maybe the B1G won't invite KU because if they left the B12, that could open up Texas going to the ACC (along with possibly OU).
 
NickyNewark said:
My numbers may have been off some but NONE mentioned ACC and many did mention the SEC lol..I spent (and seen your posts) quite a few hrs there and was impressed with the level of poster but that Pacific Time zone thing is a buzz killer and having lived in the San Fernando valley in LA,Ca with transplanted Okies and Jayhawks was impressed with them as nice decent all american type folks!! Thats probably the sliver of PAC appeal? Im still good friends with many today.
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Never posted over there actually, I only lurk. I liked the daily posts from LASooner but unfortunately he stopped.
 
pj said:
Kansas would far prefer the B1G to Pac. They have a lot of affinity to Nebraska, Iowa, Illinois, Minnesota, Wisconsin, Indiana. Not much affinity to California, Arizona, Oregon, Washington, or Utah. Plus the travel is worse in the Pac and the money is better in the B1G.

And if Kansas goes B1G, I don't see why Oklahoma and Texas wouldn't follow.

But if OU and UT went to the Pac with TT and OSU (and taking care of little brothers would be the only reason to do it), then I think the B1G goes for Kansas and UConn in preference to Kansas and Missouri, assuming Missouri is even available. Kansas gives them Kansas City, they already have part of St Louis with Illinois, and Connecticut with no pro sports teams and penetration to New England and New York is worth more than Missouri with multiple pro teams, no out of state penetration, and its home state already half-penetrated by Kansas and Illinois. The only advantage Missouri has is AAU.
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there are only two schools calling their own shots from the Big12. i think we've seen that the perceived value in the Big12 belongs to Texas and OU. the others are tag-alongs, even Kansas.

when the Big12 was crumbling, everyone was looking for a safe haven including Kansas. If the Big10 wanted them, they could have had them.
 
Dooley said:
I think that the ACC would be the only conference that would offer a sweetheart deal to Texas like they have done with ND. Texas could keep all LHN revenue in addition to the ACC contract if they came aboard full-time and signed the GOR . But that said, Texas already has a sweetheart deal in the B12 and it appears that the remaining conference members are content with it, for some baffling reason. KU would be a great addition to the B1G and they would double their revenue overnight. But maybe the B1G won't invite KU because if they left the B12, that could open up Texas going to the ACC (along with possibly OU).
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Interesting thought Dooley!! I never even considered that.
 
CoastAtlantic said:
There are so many ways this could play out, in the event of a B12 breakup. First, if the scenario unfolds, from most ACC fans' perspective they would prefer Texas as a #16, even as a partial. If not, then it becomes interesting. UT to the PAC surely means OU follows them. Then it becomes a question of if KU follows OU or Okie State tags along.I think the PAC, if given a choice, 100% prefers Kansas. Okie State could go SEC. West Virginia could find themselves in the ACC, with UConn (my preference) or Iowa State. If it is the oft-mentioned foursome of UT OU TT OSU to the PAC then I could see the B1G make a play for Kansas and Mizzou, as there are no other viable options for them, being that the ACC would definitely survive in that scenario. The SEC can then take WVU, for all I care.
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Iowa State doesn't fit for the ACC at all. They are the perfect fit for the Big Ten (AAU and in the footprint). They actually fit better than Maryland or Rutgers ever will. But the BTN doesn't think it can make any more money off Iowa State, so they won't be invited.

WVU and a school from Texas would be the only realistic fits from the Big XII for the ACC. And Texas is a stretch because of distance. But the Dallas Cowboys are in the NFC East, and the SEC, AAC and C-USA include Texas presence playing in the east. So it could be made to work I guess.

I don't think anything will happen to the Big XII though. I'd like to see Notre Dame go ahead and add the three more ACC football games, invite UConn, and call it a day. Let the Big Ten, SEC, and PAC 12 pick over the Big XII in the future.
 
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Ldandy said:
Never posted over there actually, I only lurk. I liked the daily posts from LASooner but unfortunately he stopped.
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Must have been on another midwestern blog? FTT? I know I was familiar with you're handle on a national board somewhere west of Pennsy as I usually only lurk on OBE and lately any national CR board's...I was never much interested in anything outside of the NE until B1G expansion. Heck I remember southerners crying about an Eastern bias until 15 or so yrs ago...now I'm concerned with the backlash with the espins pushing the southern schools from the comfort of their Bristol studio's here!!
 
btstimpy said:
Iowa State doesn't fit for the ACC at all. They are the perfect fit for the Big Ten (AAU and in the footprint). They actually fit better than Maryland or Rutgers ever will. But the BTN doesn't think it can make any more money off Iowa State, so they won't be invited.

WVU and a school from Texas would be the only realistic fits from the Big XII for the ACC. And Texas is a stretch because of distance. But the Dallas Cowboys are in the NFC East, and the SEC, AAC and C-USA include Texas presence playing in the east. So it could be made to work I guess.

I don't think anything will happen to the Big XII though. I'd like to see Notre Dame go ahead and add the three more ACC football games, invite UConn, and call it a day. Let the Big Ten, SEC, and PAC 12 pick over the Big XII in the future.
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Iowa St...fit better? Why? What do they offer to help the B1G expand? Pitt or Cinncy make better sense but we know their not much help in OSU/PSU's locked down footprint... Your a dope!!Ridiculous...so the ACC should by you're reasoning should take an ECU because their already in the ACC small real(NC/VA) footprint? Where do you get this crap? Your right out of the Swoffy school of expansion(visionless)btw hows the ACCN coming along?
 
btstimpy said:
Iowa State doesn't fit for the ACC at all. They are the perfect fit for the Big Ten (AAU and in the footprint). They actually fit better than Maryland or Rutgers ever will. But the BTN doesn't think it can make any more money off Iowa State, so they won't be invited.

WVU and a school from Texas would be the only realistic fits from the Big XII for the ACC. And Texas is a stretch because of distance. But the Dallas Cowboys are in the NFC East, and the SEC, AAC and C-USA include Texas presence playing in the east. So it could be made to work I guess.

I don't think anything will happen to the Big XII though. I'd like to see Notre Dame go ahead and add the three more ACC football games, invite UConn, and call it a day. Let the Big Ten, SEC, and PAC 12 pick over the Big XII in the future.
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I don't think "fit" matters as much as it used to. Years ago, when people basically stayed where they grew up in and didn't go far from their childhood homes when they moved, it made sense to have strictly regional conferences throughout. Today, people don't go out and say "Boy, I would love to beat the pants out of School Y because they are only a hundred miles from me and I can brag about it to their fans." Sure, you would see that behavior in the SEC fans and Duke/Carolina fans. However, casual fans (which is what conferences are aiming for more and more these days) aren't as concerned about beating neighbor schools but seeing "name" programs on the TV. That is what Notre Dame has shown us. It doesn't matter if you live in New York or Tuscaloosa. You watch Notre Dame to either cheer them on or hope that they lose.

Cuse and Duke having the ratings that they did meant that those two were drawing people in who aren't already alums of those two schools. That and ESPN being a huge giant promotion machine for the ACC has helped the conference stay in the spotlight.

Now as to the Iowa State example, my explanation is that, knowing the recent behavior of conferences, fans, TV, etc, if someday the P5 becomes a P4 that the poaching conferences would prefer taking in a school already in a P5 conference instead of a G5 school, unfair or not. TV executives often have too much of a say, which explains why UConn is still out of the ACC. Of course, I would prefer UConn to Iowa State, all things being equal. However, we're dealing with administrators and people in the academic elite circles. Fans don't get a vote on who to admit to a conference.
 
CoastAtlantic said:
I don't think "fit" matters as much as it used to. Years ago, when people basically stayed where they grew up in and didn't go far from their childhood homes when they moved, it made sense to have strictly regional conferences throughout. Today, people don't go out and say "Boy, I would love to beat the pants out of School Y because they are only a hundred miles from me and I can brag about it to their fans." Sure, you would see that behavior in the SEC fans and Duke/Carolina fans. However, casual fans (which is what conferences are aiming for more and more these days) aren't as concerned about beating neighbor schools but seeing "name" programs on the TV. That is what Notre Dame has shown us. It doesn't matter if you live in New York or Tuscaloosa. You watch Notre Dame to either cheer them on or hope that they lose.

Cuse and Duke having the ratings that they did meant that those two were drawing people in who aren't already alums of those two schools. That and ESPN being a huge giant promotion machine for the ACC has helped the conference stay in the spotlight.

Now as to the Iowa State example, my explanation is that, knowing the recent behavior of conferences, fans, TV, etc, if someday the P5 becomes a P4 that the poaching conferences would prefer taking in a school already in a P5 conference instead of a G5 school, unfair or not. TV executives often have too much of a say, which explains why UConn is still out of the ACC. Of course, I would prefer UConn to Iowa State, all things being equal. However, we're dealing with administrators and people in the academic elite circles. Fans don't get a vote on who to admit to a conference.
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I do think regional rivalries are important to maintain. I like ours with Virginia Tech and UNC. It's a good argument for the ACC to add West Virginia since they have one with Pitt and with Virginia Tech. It's a good argument to add UConn since they have one with Boston College and Syracuse. Notre Dame is a special case because they want a national schedule in football and appeal to all the Catholics in the country especially in the east. The only other team that can come close to that is BYU.

I can think of about 5 other schools in the Big XII and some others in the AAC that would fit the ACC better than Iowa State, but they are there so put them on the list if you like.
 
CoastAtlantic said:
TV executives often have too much of a say, which explains why UConn is still out of the ACC.
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1) I am not sure there is any one tangible reason that UConn is not in the ACC.
2) Do you have data on TV ratings/"appeal" of UConn vs BC/Syracuse/Pittsburgh/Louisville?
 
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