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whaler11 said:
For one it keeps you from looking like fools on a national stage.

In addition to avoiding looking completely inept you can squeeze 10MM each out of the deal before the GOR runs out.
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It's been reported by virtually everyone that no one could agree on the teams involved, so what's the point in fighting if not everyone else could agree either? Secondly, they already look like fools. And if they expanded only to leave in 6 years, they'd still look like fools. It's for that reason it's been reported they didn't want to "squeeze" more money out of the networks because everyone would realize they're just looking for a short term payday. At this point there's really nothing to gain. The networks were fighting back, the schools were fighting over who to add, what's really the point for OU and UT to challenge this if they truly know the Big 12 is on its death bed?
 
I'm sorry there is evidence that goes against your narrative that certain schools are joining the Big 10?
 
whaler11 said:
I'm sorry there is evidence that goes against your narrative that certain schools are joining the Big 10?
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There's not evidence of that at all. The only evidence I see is that the Big 12 is dying and everyone knows it and can see it except you and West Virginia bloggers. I'm sorry that it goes against your discredit flug mission. But it's true.
 
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kyleslamb said:
There's not evidence of that at all. The only evidence I see is that the Big 12 is dying and everyone knows it and can see it except you and West Virginia bloggers. I'm sorry that it goes against your discredit flug mission. But it's true.
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Flug is discredited by anyone who can read. His nonsense is there for anyone who would like to go read it - most of it is right here on this very board. Defending him makes you look like an idiot - knock yourself out.

The Big 12 may very well end up dying. The fact they didn't take the short term cash grab tells reasonable people that Oklahoma and Texas may still be interested in staying in the long term.

Attack me if you like - I had Big 12 expansion nailed down on day one so it might just be I know what I'm talking about.
 
whaler11 said:
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Flug is discredited by anyone who can read. His nonsense is there for anyone who would like to go read it - most of it is right here on this very board. Defending him makes you look like an idiot - knock yourself out.

The Big 12 may very well end up dying. The fact they didn't take the short term cash grab tells reasonable people that Oklahoma and Texas may still be interested in staying in the long term.

Attack me if you like - I had Big 12 expansion nailed down on day one so it might just be I know what I'm talking about.
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I don't think you know as much as you think you do. Predicting no expansion was hardly difficult.

After the circus of the past 90 days and the no vote, I have come to the opposite conclusion. UT and OU are not serious about sticking around past the expiration of the GOR. They probably would like too, but I think they were hit over the head by the tv partners with the realities of cable $$ going forward. If UT and OU were serious about staying they would have picked two or four schools, cut a deal with the ESPN / Fox to pay the new schools a lesser amount and let the tv cos keep the difference as a good will gesture. They also would have selected schools based largely on media value with tv input to again help the tv partners today and in 2023. They also would have pushed to extend the GOR either a couple years (symbolic gesture) or to match the ACC terms (true commitment).

Doing nothing makes the conference vulnerable, hardly a sign of long term commitment. And there is every reason to think big media, it this new time of shrinking cable boxes, wouldn't prefer to trim the NCAA football hierarchy to four power confs.
 
whaler11 said:
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Flug is discredited by anyone who can read. His nonsense is there for anyone who would like to go read it - most of it is right here on this very board. Defending him makes you look like an idiot - knock yourself out.

The Big 12 may very well end up dying. The fact they didn't take the short term cash grab tells reasonable people that Oklahoma and Texas may still be interested in staying in the long term.

Attack me if you like - I had Big 12 expansion nailed down on day one so it might just be I know what I'm talking about.
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I'm not defending flug. I've said my opinion on the matter. I don't really care. I'm perplexed why you spend so much time trying to talk people out of believing him, but whatever. That's your call. Point is, you're so hellbent on convincing folks he's wrong about everything that you're actually going against the common sense angle everyone else can see... the Big 12 is in real trouble. They know it. There's a reason why Oklahoma and Texas refuse, flatly refuse, to extend the Grant of Rights. They won't extend the Grant of Rights and they don't even care enough at this point to find common ground on expansion. That *should* tell you all you need to know if you weren't so clouded about whether or not flug is right. The writing is on the wall. One doesn't have to believe flug is a legit source of information to see that plain as day.
 
Exit 4 said:
I don't think you know as much as you think you do. Predicting no expansion was hardly difficult.

After the circus of the past 90 days and the no vote, I have come to the opposite conclusion. UT and OU are not serious about sticking around past the expiration of the GOR. They probably would like too, but I think they were hit over the head by the tv partners with the realities of cable $$ going forward. If UT and OU were serious about staying they would have picked two or four schools, cut a deal with the ESPN / Fox to pay the new schools a lesser amount and let the tv cos keep the difference as a good will gesture. They also would have selected schools based largely on media value with tv input to again help the tv partners today and in 2023. They also would have pushed to extend the GOR either a couple years (symbolic gesture) or to match the ACC terms (true commitment).

Doing nothing makes the conference vulnerable, hardly a sign of long term commitment. And there is every reason to think big media, it this new time of shrinking cable boxes, wouldn't prefer to trim the NCAA football hierarchy to four power confs.
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No offense but I predicted it from the start and made the point on day 1 that the impact to their future negotiations with media partners would be negatively impacted.

We can go back in the archives if you'd like. We can also grab all the threads where I predicted the ACC was going to be fine and FSU and Clemson weren't going anywhere. That was also a very unpopular opinion that proved right.

Expanding would not make the Big 12 any more stable. Every single
team they could have expanded with now will still be available when their GOR expires.

Texas and Oklahoma may ultimately stay for the exact same reason that Florida State and Clemson were never leaving the ACC. It's their best path to the CFB playoff.

Schools competing for football national championships are a lot more interested in their path to the playoffs than a few million marginal
dollars in television revenue.
 
whaler11 said:
No offense but I predicted it from the start and made the point on day 1 that the impact to their future negotiations with media partners would be negatively impacted.

We can go back in the archives if you'd like. We can also grab all the threads where I predicted the ACC was going to be fine and FSU and Clemson weren't going anywhere. That was also a very unpopular opinion that proved right.

Expanding would not make the Big 12 any more stable. Every single
team they could have expanded with now will still be available when their GOR expires.

Texas and Oklahoma may ultimately stay for the exact same reason that Florida State and Clemson were never leaving the ACC. It's their best path to the CFB playoff.

Schools competing for football national championships are a lot more interested in their path to the playoffs than a few million marginal
dollars in television revenue.
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@whaler11 be like...
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kyleslamb said:
I'm not defending flug. I've said my opinion on the matter. I don't really care. I'm perplexed why you spend so much time trying to talk people out of believing him, but whatever. That's your call. Point is, you're so hellbent on convincing folks he's wrong about everything that you're actually going against the common sense angle everyone else can see... the Big 12 is in real trouble. They know it. There's a reason why Oklahoma and Texas refuse, flatly refuse, to extend the Grant of Rights. They won't extend the Grant of Rights and they don't even care enough at this point to find common ground on expansion. That *should* tell you all you need to know if you weren't so clouded about whether or not flug is right. The writing is on the wall. One doesn't have to believe flug is a legit source of information to see that plain as day.
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They don't extend the GOR because there is no upside.

That doesn't mean when 2025 rolls around they are leaving.

If I went along with what everyone thought was common sense I would have been wrong about Clemson and FSU joining the Big 12 and I would have been wrong about Big 12 expansion not happening before or after the ACC network annoucement.

So maybe not going with what everyone thinks is 'common sense' leads to what actually happens.

I've got no sources and have been right three times in a row. Maybe I'm wrong the fourth time - but anytime I can hold the opposite opinion of someone like you I'll ride it.
 
sportsart said:
Am I too late to take my victory lap too. Cause you know I'm smart too and like to tell people they're idiots and like I knew from the beginning and so, well I'm like the smartest person like ever. :rolleyes:
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And here I thought Shizzle had the least to offer tonight.

Someday Art you'll be right about something and you can take a victory lap. Maybe someone will ask you what time it is and you'll know.
 
whaler11 said:
They don't extend the GOR because there is no upside.

That doesn't mean when 2025 rolls around they are leaving.

If I went along with what everyone thought was common sense I would have been wrong about Clemson and FSU joining the Big 12 and I would have been wrong about Big 12 expansion not happening before or after the ACC network annoucement.

So maybe not going with what everyone thinks is 'common sense' leads to what actually happens.

I've got no sources and have been right three times in a row. Maybe I'm wrong the fourth time - but anytime I can hold the opposite opinion of someone like you I'll ride it.
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Well sheesh who am I to argue with that sort of intellectual superiority. You got it all figured out. You must be making billions of dollars with all this foresight into the world.
 
kyleslamb said:
Well sheesh who am I to argue with that sort of intellectual superiority. You got it all figured out. You must be making billions of dollars with all this foresight into the world.
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If you'd like to get sarcastic.... I hope you weren't selling those cellphones that keep exploding.

You'd be well served to take your own advice though.
 
whaler11 said:
If you'd like to get sarcastic.... I hope you weren't selling those cellphones that keep exploding.

You'd be well served to take your own advice though.
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Resorting to playing dirty, I see. Considering you've been taking jabs at so many people in this thread, it's clear you're not really debating from a position of strength or logic. You're simply distracting people from the facts by lobbing insults and taking jabs at people. Surest sign you never really had an argument to begin with.
 
kyleslamb said:
Resorting to playing dirty, I see. Considering you've been taking jabs at so many people in this thread, it's clear you're not really debating from a position of strength or logic. You're simply distracting people from the facts by lobbing insults and taking jabs at people. Surest sign you never really had an argument to begin with.
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You were the one who got sarcastic with me. So don't be a baby when you take a shot.

You want to tell me I'm wrong about where the Big 12 is headed? I just might be - but don't tell me I don't know what I'm talking about while being naive enough to believe that Flug has sources.

I'm not debating from a place of logic... it's just blind luck how often I'm right. The posts are all here to read - and plenty of people told me how wrong I was then too.

I'll extend an olive branch: You are a clearly a bright guy. We hire a lot of people in the Southeast if you still live there. Don't know where you are professionally but if are looking for a day job we are in need of bright people and could probably get you some interviews if you want to send me a DM.
 
GREG Serah Williams AIM SHOW ‏@GSw aim 3h3 hours ago
I'm going to laugh at #Big12 schools who get left out of a power conference when #UT and #Sooners screw them by leaving. Serves them right!!

GREG Serah Williams AIM SHOW ‏@GSw aim 3h3 hours ago
Only two good things I can take out of dumpster fire that is the #Big12? 1) If #OKState gets in real conference 2) Now a lifelong #BYU fan




ME: It remains to be seen where oSu goes. Unless they can latch on to OU wherever they go or the SEC somehow finds them valuable they could end up with the leftovers.
 
sportsart said:
I love watching someone so in love with himself he is unable to be embarrassed. Priceless.
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I love watching losers who bragged about blocking me dozens of times comment on my posts.

Maybe when a middle aged man moves away from mostly naked children in his avatar we can take him seriously.
 
whaler11 said:
No offense but I predicted it from the start and made the point on day 1 that the impact to their future negotiations with media partners would be negatively impacted.

We can go back in the archives if you'd like. We can also grab all the threads where I predicted the ACC was going to be fine and FSU and Clemson weren't going anywhere. That was also a very unpopular opinion that proved right.

Expanding would not make the Big 12 any more stable. Every single
team they could have expanded with now will still be available when their GOR expires.

Texas and Oklahoma may ultimately stay for the exact same reason that Florida State and Clemson were never leaving the ACC. It's their best path to the CFB playoff.

Schools competing for football national championships are a lot more interested in their path to the playoffs than a few million marginal
dollars in television revenue.
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Most of the Board said no expansion was the most likely outcome.
 
whaler11 said:
Ok Waylon did they say it in July.
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We have a thread called "the kick we will receive" where the whole board posted. Pretty much everyone but the most optimistic Husky fans said this, and I have no problem with them being optimistic rather than being cynical jerks that predict doom so they can celebrate disaster.

But since this thread has become the "Whaler 'I Told You So' " tour, the part I can't understand is why, if you have such prescient visions into the future, do you advocate a strategy of staying in the AAC and losing millions that is guaranteed to fail?
 
nelsonmuntz said:
We have a thread called "the kick we will receive" where the whole board posted. Pretty much everyone but the most optimistic Husky fans said this, and I have no problem with them being optimistic rather than being cynical jerks that predict doom so they can celebrate disaster.

But since this thread has become the "Whaler 'I Told You So' " tour, the part I can't understand is why, if you have such prescient visions into the future, do you advocate a strategy of staying in the AAC and losing millions that is guaranteed to fail?
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Only issue I have with this post is that you advocate running to the Big East for an additional 2 million year, while putting FB in a terrible position. If we think we struggle with attendance now, imagine what that will be like in a lesser conference/independent. The extra two million will evaporate on lost football attendance alone.

Unless you're just in favor of dropping FB altogether, going to the BE when we will have to pay a 10 million dollar exit fee is just a non starter.
 

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