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[DarthGrumpy]

BU has changed some and may not deserve my ire. Harvard and Yale have a very distinct campuses, with quads and large areas all within campus. BU back when I went to college (at UConn) was a long strip of more or less office buildings, and the students rode the Green Line from one end to the other. The BU students I knew lived in apartments mixed with workers and students of other schools. I don't know the other campuses well enough. Certainly PC and BC have discreet campuses. I'm told Cincinnati does as well.

Mayor Menino pushed many of Boston's universities in the 90's to build on-campus housing to take pressure off of the residential rental market (and to separate college Boston from professional Boston). Last I head, Boston U went from 33% on campus housing to 75%, Northeastern went from 25% to about 67% and even colleges like Emerson built dorms and UMass-Boston will be doing the same next year. BU and Northeastern defiantly have a 'campus' or community feel within the city. BC, as is is less urban, already had that. Going to an urban college is vastly different than going to UConn; but, it is still a college experience and those are not commuter schools like Bunker Hill CC. I've never been to U Houston, do no idea if it is more like an urban college or a community college. I have been to downtown Houston though and I woud take living in downtown Boston and many other cities over Houston any day. Downtown Houston clears out faster that Hartford did on non Whaler & Husky night in February back in the '90's.

 

[huskypantz]

Yes, and that's the point about "city schools". Commuting a short distance from housing in a college town that is mostly used by students is really not much different than living on campus. For the city schools its different, and there is less of a college town feel in that off campus housing.

I drove about 1.5 miles to law school, but anywhere you lived in Lawrence, KS, you were at KU. You can't escape it.

Exactly. Carriage House, Celeron etc are all off campus but their sole (let's say 90%) purpose is to provide housing for UConn students. They are just an extension of the college environment. This is completely different from a BU student living in an apartment building in back bay or a Temple student living in center city. Even if they're living with classmates, the environment is separate and unique.

 

[DarthGrumpy]

Not what I experienced at BU. Office buildings? I mean, there were no office buildings. The school was mainly the old college buildings west of Kenmore Square. Those are really old buildings from the birth of the university. All the new buildings, like engineering, communications, sciences, etc., look exactly like the new buildings you see n any college campuses. If there is anything weird or ugly about BU, it is only the mega-dorms. Warren Towers, West Campus.

What people miss about BU as they drive down Commonwealth past the solid old buildings is that behind there there are roads packed with brownstones and even an old castle. These are university owned. There is even some green space. It has been this way since the 1980s when I went there. But all those brownstones are either owned by the university for classes (I took classes in brownstones!) or else they serve as student housing. The students that rode the green line were off-campus housing students. Obviously, you don't need to ever get on a train once you are on campus. The only exception to this is for students who attend the College of General Studies, which is closer to West Campus.

I got my MBA (part-time) from BU. Took the Green Line from Copley where I worked to Kenmore Sq where the 'new' business building is about 3 times a week (twice for class, once or group meetings). Then walked home after class to my apartment in Coolidge Corner. I knew a lot of undergrad MBA kids who took the B Line all of the time because BU's campus is narrow, basically each side of Commonwealth Ave; but, very long, about 2 miles I think from Barnes & Noble to the ice rink. Thus, between it being urban, with retail often located on the first level of many building and being odd shape, BU does not look like a campus; but, it is sure not a community college.

UConn, as a contrast, is only about a a mile from Storrs Center to the backside of Horsebarn Hill.

PS - Taking a walk over to the BU 'Beach,' especially right before spring break, was a pleasant way to kill time between work and classes in the spring.

 

[HuskyHawk]

Mayor Menino pushed many of Boston's universities in the 90's to build on-campus housing to take pressure off of the residential rental market (and to separate college Boston from professional Boston). Last I head, Boston U went from 33% on campus housing to 75%, Northeastern went from 25% to about 67% and even colleges like Emerson built dorms and UMass-Boston will be doing the same next year. BU and Northeastern defiantly have a 'campus' or community feel within the city. BC, as is is less urban, already had that. Going to an urban college is vastly different than going to UConn; but, it is still a college experience and those are not commuter schools like Bunker Hill CC. I've never been to U Houston, do no idea if it is more like an urban college or a community college. I have been to downtown Houston though and I woud take living in downtown Boston and many other cities over Houston any day. Downtown Houston clears out faster that Hartford did on non Whaler & Husky night in February back in the '90's.

Yes, that's why I said things have changed and I'm probably being unfair to BU. Upstater makes a good point about the actual "campus" being invisible from Comm Ave., which exacerbates the perception.

 

[NYUConn]

Exactly. Carriage House, Celeron etc are all off campus but their sole (let's say 90%) purpose is to provide housing for UConn students. They are just an extension of the college environment. This is completely different from a BU student living in an apartment building in back bay or a Temple student living in center city. Even if they're living with classmates, the environment is separate and unique.

Side note, not sure if this is still the case, but it was when I was there 10 years ago: UConn actually owns the land that Celeron is on. Celeron is a private company leasing the land from UConn, but unlike Carriage which is completely private, UConn police have the right to roam Celeron grounds freely because of the agreement in place between the school and Celeron.

I learned this the hard way my sophomore year when a bunch of my friends got busted for underage drinking while just hanging out and playing beer pong outside of a friends apartment.

 

[BKarchitect]

I hope you hacked into the Big 12's computers and found that.

Sorry to disappoint you all but I created that graphic and posted it to the WVU Big 12 board and KU board to try and get some enthusiasm for this particular expansion route.

I'm a KU Jayhawk born and bred but I cringe at the lunacy of some of these expansion proposals and the relative ignorance in the central part of the country about what UConn can offer so I'm beating the drum a bit. Hope you all don't mind my posting here from time to time in the future, hopefully as conference mates and basketball rivals someday!

<-------P.S. those are my Huskies

 

[MattMang23]

Sorry to disappoint you all but I created that graphic and posted it to the WVU Big 12 board and KU board to try and get some enthusiasm for this particular expansion route.

I'm a KU Jayhawk born and bred but I cringe at the lunacy of some of these expansion proposals and the relative ignorance in the central part of the country about what UConn can offer so I'm beating the drum a bit. Hope you all don't mind my posting here from time to time in the future, hopefully as conference mates and basketball rivals someday!

<-------P.S. those are my Huskies

We don't mind outsiders. Unless you disagree with our opinions.

 

[brasssbonanzaa]

BU is anything but a commuter school, the percentage of students who commute is very, very low - last I checked it was <5%. There's a large number of students who live nearby off-campus, but housing is guaranteed to all students for all four years, and you're required to live on campus for your freshman year. To say there isn't a community would be absolutely preposterous. Yes, there's a smattering of office-like looking buildings from Kenmore to Packard's Corner, but that vast majority are wholly owned and operated by BU and are either dorms, offices, or class buildings. There is absolutely no comparison between BU or Northeastern and schools like USF and Houston. Not to mention both are far superior from an academic perspective.

 

[temery]

There's a large number of students who live nearby off-campus, but housing is guaranteed to all students for all four years, and you're required to live on campus for your freshman year.

True, but from what I've seen, it's not exactly a traditional campus. The campus is pretty spread out.

 

[HuskyHawk]

Sorry to disappoint you all but I created that graphic and posted it to the WVU Big 12 board and KU board to try and get some enthusiasm for this particular expansion route.

I'm a KU Jayhawk born and bred but I cringe at the lunacy of some of these expansion proposals and the relative ignorance in the central part of the country about what UConn can offer so I'm beating the drum a bit. Hope you all don't mind my posting here from time to time in the future, hopefully as conference mates and basketball rivals someday!

<-------P.S. those are my Huskies

Welcome to the Boneyard! I suppose I'm a born and bred Jayhawk too, 4th generation born in KS. Mostly raised in CT though. Went to KU law. Thanks for preaching the Gospel to the masses on UConn's behalf. We need an image makeover in Big 12 country.

 

[brasssbonanzaa]

True, but from what I've seen, it's not exactly a traditional campus. The campus is pretty spread out.

No school centrally located in a city the size of Boston with as little geographical space as there is can have a "traditional" campus. There's a reason BC is in Newton Northeastern has a few segments that look sort of traditional, but it's also a much smaller campus than we have, and if you walk down Bay State Road, and further down the area adjacent to the Charles, BU looks far more traditional than the Comm Ave portion.

 

[upstater]

I got my MBA (part-time) from BU. Took the Green Line from Copley where I worked to Kenmore Sq where the 'new' business building is about 3 times a week (twice for class, once or group meetings). Then walked home after class to my apartment in Coolidge Corner. I knew a lot of undergrad MBA kids who took the B Line all of the time because BU's campus is narrow, basically each side of Commonwealth Ave; but, very long, about 2 miles I think from Barnes & Noble to the ice rink. Thus, between it being urban, with retail often located on the first level of many building and being odd shape, BU does not look like a campus; but, it is sure not a community college.

UConn, as a contrast, is only about a a mile from Storrs Center to the backside of Horsebarn Hill.

PS - Taking a walk over to the BU 'Beach,' especially right before spring break, was a pleasant way to kill time between work and classes in the spring.

I think grad school is very different. I lived a ways away from my grad schools (in all 3 cases).

I did not know a single student who lived in Coolidge Corner. Brighton, yes. Allston, yes. Kenmore, yes. South Bay, yes. A few by the Fens. What I meant was, if you're living around Boston U., you don't need to shuttle from class to class on the T. You walk between the buildings on Commonwealth and Bay State Road. What would be the point of taking the T one stop from in front of Warren Towers to Kenmore. Even the engineering building is right next to Kenmore.

 

[upstater]

True, but from what I've seen, it's not exactly a traditional campus. The campus is pretty spread out.

It is an urban campus, but it is no more spread out than any other. I think people get fooled a little bit because of the football stadium, the arena, etc. The College of General Studies is certainly spread out away from the main campus, and so are the athletic facilities. But the classrooms down in the center of campus make everything walkable within minutes for the vast majority of students. The only students who are spread out are the GS students, a small %, but they basically spend all day at GS anyway.

 

[BKarchitect]

Welcome to the Boneyard! I suppose I'm a born and bred Jayhawk too, 4th generation born in KS. Mostly raised in CT though. Went to KU law. Thanks for preaching the Gospel to the masses on UConn's behalf. We need an image makeover in Big 12 country.

It's really an issue that is perpetuated by the media and especially by idiotic sports talk shows and callers - it's the issue that the masses don't see this as anything more than an NFL-style arrangement of football teams. Not only that, but the baseline for judging football teams is "what was your record last year" because people in general have the attention span of 8-week old puppies.

When the SEC expands, when the B1G expands - they look at it as 50+ year investments. They look for peer institutions. Yes, football is a big deal but this isn't a football league realignment, as much as Joe Blow football fan wants it to be. It's about aligning your university with like-minded universities who match your school's profile. It includes (or should) a look at the entire university - academic profile, ability to grow and utilize endowment and research, type of school, willingness to work and cooperate with conference mates, overall athletic department profile, diversity of geography and demographics and overall "brand" name.

To say that the University of Texas looks at Houston as a peer institution is laughable. Everybody knows what taking Houston means. It's keeping the 4th Texas seat warm for when UT bolts. If UT wants Houston so bad, they need to tie themselves down to the Big 12 for 20 more years in a new GOR. Do you think Texas' aims are to be stuck with Houston for several decades? Everybody know what taking Memphis means. It means getting FedEx involvement until the teams that can bolt, do. UConn is one of the few choices that represents a legitimate peer institution addition and a national brand that can be grown quickly into a fully-functioning Big 12 member in all areas, not just football. But it seems most in these parts are scared of UConn because the plane ride will take like 60 minutes longer than it does to get to West Virginia and you all don't (in our minds anyways) appreciate stuffing your faces with BBQ and Whataburger. The desire here is seemingly to want to replicate the SEC's regional football strength but that is simply not possible...so what we will end up with potentially is the SWC Mark II. Because what the Big 12 is doing right now is working so darn well, let's just keep doing that.

I can only hope that Bowlsby and Company have the foresight to think outside this little regional box and grow the conference. And even if he does want that, this collection of school presidents has to have the political savvy to sell an expansion that includes the likes of UConn to the masses here who only know you all had a mediocre football record in a G5 conference last year and are not the good, middle America folk who eat, sleep and breathe football.

 

[billybud]

Sounds nothing like the campus of Florida's "Dodge City" in the 60's. (also affectionately known as "Boggy Tech" )

The new college took over the small defunct downtown that had been displaced by strip malls on a four lane....students went to classes in the old bank building, the drug store was administration and a beauty shop the library....I dated, for a while, a girl who was a student.

Now the University of Northwest Florida.

 

[HuskyHawk]

It's really an issue that is perpetuated by the media and especially by idiotic sports talk shows and callers - it's the issue that the masses don't see this as anything more than an NFL-style arrangement of football teams. Not only that, but the baseline for judging football teams is "what was your record last year" because people in general have the attention span of 8-week old puppies.

When the SEC expands, when the B1G expands - they look at it as 50+ year investments. They look for peer institutions. Yes, football is a big deal but this isn't a football league realignment, as much as Joe Blow football fan wants it to be. It's about aligning your university with like-minded universities who match your school's profile. It includes (or should) a look at the entire university - academic profile, ability to grow and utilize endowment and research, type of school, willingness to work and cooperate with conference mates, overall athletic department profile, diversity of geography and demographics and overall "brand" name.

To say that the University of Texas looks at Houston as a peer institution is laughable. Everybody knows what taking Houston means. It's keeping the 4th Texas seat warm for when UT bolts. If UT wants Houston so bad, they need to tie themselves down to the Big 12 for 20 more years in a new GOR. Do you think Texas' aims are to be stuck with Houston for several decades? Everybody know what taking Memphis means. It means getting FedEx involvement until the teams that can bolt, do. UConn is one of the few choices that represents a legitimate peer institution addition and a national brand that can be grown quickly into a fully-functioning Big 12 member in all areas, not just football. But it seems most in these parts are scared of UConn because the plane ride will take like 60 minutes longer than it does to get to West Virginia and you all don't (in our minds anyways) appreciate stuffing your faces with BBQ and Whataburger. The desire here is seemingly to want to replicate the SEC's regional football strength but that is simply not possible...so what we will end up with potentially is the SWC Mark II. Because what the Big 12 is doing right now is working so darn well, let's just keep doing that.

I can only hope that Bowlsby and Company have the foresight to think outside this little regional box and grow the conference. And even if he does want that, this collection of school presidents has to have the political savvy to sell an expansion that includes the likes of UConn to the masses here who only know you all had a mediocre football record in a G5 conference last year and are not the good, middle America folk who eat, sleep and breathe football.

I think that pretty much sums up what most of us have been saying for months. It is pretty frustrating on this end of it, to be compared to the likes of Memphis by some people and found wanting. I mean Memphis, their football is worse than ours over the last decade or so and they draw fewer fans. Houston's attendance last year in a 12-1 season was worse than ours was in any Randy Edsall season.

I'm looking forward to getting back to Lawrence, strolling down Mass Ave., drinking a beer or two at Free State and catching a UConn road game at AFH. We need to make it happen.

 

[businesslawyer]

We don't mind outsiders. Unless you disagree with our opinions.

Of course, we only like insiders on the same basis.

 

[jostar1]

Greg Flugaur ‏@flugempire · 3h3 hours ago
New BTM:OU Contact Info after 2 weeks of no info.

Greg Flugaur ‏@flugempire · 3h3 hours ago
BTM: OU Contacts
"Deep divisions among Big 12 Presidents persist. Can't agree on stated goals."

Greg Flugaur ‏@flugempire · 3h3 hours ago
BTM:OU Contacts
"Some are hopeful vetting process of finalists reveal a clearer path"
" "The Deep Vet" process is underway"

Greg Flugaur ‏@flugempire · 3h3 hours ago
BTM:OU Contacts
"Texas is ignoring data. Texas didn't want data presented. Texas feels it's not obligated to data."

Greg Flugaur ‏@flugempire · 3h3 hours ago
BTM:OU Contact
"Bowlsby & Boren wants what's best for 2024 Big 12 negotations with potential new media interest".

Greg Flugaur ‏@flugempire · 3h3 hours ago
BTM:OU Contacts
"Others in Big 12 do not share similar goals"

Greg Flugaur ‏@flugempire · 3h3 hours ago
BTM: OU Contacts
"Iowa State's President is Big 12's Gandhi"

Greg Flugaur ‏@flugempire · 3h3 hours ago
That was emailed to us this morning.
Not much there...I will admit.
A little dark if you ask me.

John ‏@johnnyslc2000 · 3h3 hours ago
@flugempire Doesn't sound like any agreement will happen anytime soon?

Greg Flugaur‏@flugempire
@johnnyslc2000
I will admit...the info today is a little negative.

Greg Flugaur ‏@flugempire · 3h3 hours ago
@DooleyMcStitch
We were told weeks ago B12 would go at this with heighten speed out of respect to AAC and all Insitutions involved....

Greg Flugaur ‏@flugempire · 3h3 hours ago
@DooleyMcStitch
So if this really does go to mid October it could a sign of B12 paralysis more than anything else.

Justin Hue ‏@CincyBeerGuru · 44m44 minutes ago
@flugempire
still BYU and UC?

Greg Flugaur‏@flugempire
@CincyBeerGuru
Not according to OU contacts since July 21st. No consensus on 2 candidates.
UH/UC/UCONN/BYU.

 

[NYUConn]

Greg Flugaur ‏@flugempire · 3h3 hours ago
New BTM:OU Contact Info after 2 weeks of no info.

Greg Flugaur ‏@flugempire · 3h3 hours ago
BTM: OU Contacts
"Deep divisions among Big 12 Presidents persist. Can't agree on stated goals."

Greg Flugaur ‏@flugempire · 3h3 hours ago
BTM:OU Contacts
"Some are hopeful vetting process of finalists reveal a clearer path"
" "The Deep Vet" process is underway"

Greg Flugaur ‏@flugempire · 3h3 hours ago
BTM:OU Contacts
"Texas is ignoring data. Texas didn't want data presented. Texas feels it's not obligated to data."

Greg Flugaur ‏@flugempire · 3h3 hours ago
BTM:OU Contact
"Bowlsby & Boren wants what's best for 2024 Big 12 negotations with potential new media interest".

Greg Flugaur ‏@flugempire · 3h3 hours ago
BTM:OU Contacts
"Others in Big 12 do not share similar goals"

Greg Flugaur ‏@flugempire · 3h3 hours ago
BTM: OU Contacts
"Iowa State's President is Big 12's Gandhi"

Greg Flugaur ‏@flugempire · 3h3 hours ago
That was emailed to us this morning.
Not much there...I will admit.
A little dark if you ask me.

John ‏@johnnyslc2000 · 3h3 hours ago
@flugempire Doesn't sound like any agreement will happen anytime soon?

Greg Flugaur‏@flugempire
@johnnyslc2000
I will admit...the info today is a little negative.

Greg Flugaur ‏@flugempire · 3h3 hours ago
@DooleyMcStitch
We were told weeks ago B12 would go at this with heighten speed out of respect to AAC and all Insitutions involved....

Greg Flugaur ‏@flugempire · 3h3 hours ago
@DooleyMcStitch
So if this really does go to mid October it could a sign of B12 paralysis more than anything else.

Justin Hue ‏@CincyBeerGuru · 44m44 minutes ago
@flugempire
still BYU and UC?

Greg Flugaur‏@flugempire
@CincyBeerGuru
Not according to OU contacts since July 21st. No consensus on 2 candidates.
UH/UC/UCONN/BYU.

Absolutely stunning that a Texas institution is ignoring all the facts and data.

 

[HuskyBandDad]

Greg Flugaur ‏@flugempire · 3h3 hours ago
New BTM:OU Contact Info after 2 weeks of no info.

Greg Flugaur ‏@flugempire · 3h3 hours ago
BTM: OU Contacts
"Deep divisions among Big 12 Presidents persist. Can't agree on stated goals."

Greg Flugaur ‏@flugempire · 3h3 hours ago
BTM:OU Contacts
"Some are hopeful vetting process of finalists reveal a clearer path"
" "The Deep Vet" process is underway"

Greg Flugaur ‏@flugempire · 3h3 hours ago
BTM:OU Contacts
"Texas is ignoring data. Texas didn't want data presented. Texas feels it's not obligated to data."

Greg Flugaur ‏@flugempire · 3h3 hours ago
BTM:OU Contact
"Bowlsby & Boren wants what's best for 2024 Big 12 negotations with potential new media interest".

Greg Flugaur ‏@flugempire · 3h3 hours ago
BTM:OU Contacts
"Others in Big 12 do not share similar goals"

Greg Flugaur ‏@flugempire · 3h3 hours ago
BTM: OU Contacts
"Iowa State's President is Big 12's Gandhi"

Greg Flugaur ‏@flugempire · 3h3 hours ago
That was emailed to us this morning.
Not much there...I will admit.
A little dark if you ask me.

John ‏@johnnyslc2000 · 3h3 hours ago
@flugempire Doesn't sound like any agreement will happen anytime soon?

Greg Flugaur‏@flugempire
@johnnyslc2000
I will admit...the info today is a little negative.

Greg Flugaur ‏@flugempire · 3h3 hours ago
@DooleyMcStitch
We were told weeks ago B12 would go at this with heighten speed out of respect to AAC and all Insitutions involved....

Greg Flugaur ‏@flugempire · 3h3 hours ago
@DooleyMcStitch
So if this really does go to mid October it could a sign of B12 paralysis more than anything else.

Justin Hue ‏@CincyBeerGuru · 44m44 minutes ago
@flugempire
still BYU and UC?

Greg Flugaur‏@flugempire
@CincyBeerGuru
Not according to OU contacts since July 21st. No consensus on 2 candidates.
UH/UC/UCONN/BYU.

Good Lord just take these 4 and be done with it.

 

[SubbaBub]

But it seems most in these parts are scared of UConn because the plane ride will take like 60 minutes longer than it does to get to West Virginia and you all don't (in our minds anyways) appreciate stuffing your faces with BBQ and Whataburger. .

A few things:

1) We do appreciate stuffing our faces with BBQ, though you might rightly not consider it elite BBQ or even BBQ at all (mostly it's grilling but there are a few smokers hidden in the area)

2) There are a million places to get a good burger here.

3) You don't know what good pizza, lobster, or clam chowder taste like.


Since we're detail oriented types up here, we've already calculated that it takes an hour longer to get to WV if you fly into Pittsburgh and only a half hour shorter if you fly directly into Morgantown.

 

[dr.holiday]

The Big 12 is such a clown show.

 

[SubbaBub]

Do really need to have a meeting on the definition of a "commuter school?" It means a school where the lion share of students don't spend time on campus other than going to class. If you live in an off campus area that has been housing students since the Johnson administration you can safely consider that to be campus housing for the purposes of CR discussion.

 

[SubbaBub]

Greg Flugaur ‏@flugempire · 3h3 hours ago
BTM: OU Contacts
"Deep divisions among Big 12 Presidents persist. Can't agree on stated goals."

Greg Flugaur ‏@flugempire · 3h3 hours ago
BTM:OU Contacts
"Some are hopeful vetting process of finalists reveal a clearer path"
" "The Deep Vet" process is underway"

Greg Flugaur ‏@flugempire · 3h3 hours ago
BTM:OU Contacts
"Texas is ignoring data. Texas didn't want data presented. Texas feels it's not obligated to data."

Greg Flugaur ‏@flugempire · 3h3 hours ago
BTM:OU Contact
"Bowlsby & Boren wants what's best for 2024 Big 12 negotations with potential new media interest".

Greg Flugaur ‏@flugempire · 3h3 hours ago
BTM:OU Contacts
"Others in Big 12 do not share similar goals"

This is also consistent with our perceptions of the B12 and it's key players. Of course they can't agree on similar goals. They don't have similar goals. The question is can they compromise on a set of agreeable outcomes. The "Texas problem" is why they are stuck.

 

[jostar1]

Absolutely stunning that a Texas institution is ignoring all the facts and data.

They have to ignore all of the facts and data because of the governor. And because of realignment Rule #1.