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Am I wrong or are we having a tougher time with the unranked Big East than we did with the ranked OOC games? Might this be that the Big East is far tougher than they get credit for?
 
They know us, they don't fear us, they hate us, we're the circled game on their schedule twice a year every year, we're their path to the tournament, they have their best crowds when we come to town, they have their best TV exposure when they play us

and yes, because they know us so well, they know our motion offense and they get overly physical when they see something coming

Then Danny is going to lose it, often times getting a T, and then the refs go on pretending we're not getting fouled
 
I have no explanation for this season. #2 team in country. Winning every game. All close games.
1 loss by a few buckets, at 1/2 strength against the #1 team.
Head scratching plays every game. Yet stat lines tend to still look pretty good. A calm dan hurley after these nail biters against lower echelon squads.

Somethings in sports you just can't explain. I still havent found a reasonable explanation as to why every member of the Kelce family is an American Icon. TSwift or not, they arent very funny nor can they act, or sing, or dance, or write....
 
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willie99 said:
They know us, they don't fear us, they hate us, we're the circled game on their schedule twice a year every year, we're their path to the tournament, they have their best crowds when we come to town, they have their best TV exposure when they play us

and yes, because they know us so well, they know our motion offense and they get overly physical when they see something coming

Then Danny is going to lose it, often times getting a T, and then the refs go on pretending we're not getting fouled
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I actually thought his technical in the last game was productive, which isn't always the case.
 
JLW said:
Am I wrong or are we having a tougher time with the unranked Big East than we did with the ranked OOC games? Might this be that the Big East is far tougher than they get credit for?
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Everybody wants to feel disrespected but the teams blew their NC too much for this narrative to work. Providence and Georgetown don’t even have winning records.
 
Idk, we lost to Arizona and BYU almost stole it at the end. I don’t really recall being worried against Florida or Illinois, but maybe I just don’t remember. I think maybe after things went so well out of conference, our expectations against the BE got overinflated.

Edit: lest I forget Kansas was winning for like 30 minutes!
 
Conference is just different for all the reasons Willie99 listed. I almost get the sense that this team can't wait to get the regular season over and onto dancing, with a BE Tourney speed bump thrown in.
 
2011 UConn Huskies: 9-9 in conference during the regular season. Lots of wins and no losses in all non-conference games and tournaments. It really doesn’t matter as long as the team is playing well in March. Carry on.
 
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As others have mentioned, the BE games are much more physical and the other teams are used to us and scout us better. Don’t expect other top teams to go undefeated in their conference games either, the same things hold true for them. It’s just the nature of conference play.
 
I think it’s as simple as this team just plays to their competition and its physical conference play…



The Kelce family catching strays in a forum about Big East basketball 😂
 
nelsonmuntz said:
Obvious bait, but I like it.

I would like an explanation for the wide-ranging officiating conspiracy against UConn.
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Does it need to be a conspiracy? And who said it's against UConn?

It just says the BE refs call games that encourage rockfights.

So many years of seeing this has given us empirical evidence. I remember first noticing it in 2011 when Kemba Walker was repeatedly hammered on drives with no calls. His BE shooting % was way down compared to out-of-conference games against top 25 teams. They went undefeated OOC in the same amount of games as in the conference regular season where they went 9-9. 2014 had a similar story.

I would compare OOC games against QUAD 1 teams to BE games over a period of time, and I'd imagine the # of fouls and esp. the shooting %s would be much lower in the BE.
 
Punkbo said:
2011 UConn Huskies: 9-9 in conference during the regular season. Lots of wins and no losses in all non-conference games and tournaments. It really doesn’t matter as long as the team is playing well in March. Carry on.
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That team had the greatest husky of all time. (Not disagreeing with you. Just wanted to point that out.)
 
Punkbo said:
2011 UConn Huskies: 9-9 in conference during the regular season. Lots of wins and no losses in all non-conference games and tournaments. It really doesn’t matter as long as the team is playing well in March. Carry on.
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Not even a vaguely close comparison. In 2009 the Original Big East had 6 teams in the Top 25, 3 in the Top 10, 4 in the top 11. The NewBE has 1 in the top 25. People who weren’t around or were in their pre-teens have no freaking idea of the difference in quality between the 2
 
upstater said:
Does it need to be a conspiracy? And who said it's against UConn?

It just says the BE refs call games that encourage rockfights.

So many years of seeing this has given us empirical evidence. I remember first noticing it in 2011 when Kemba Walker was repeatedly hammered on drives with no calls. His BE shooting % was way down compared to out-of-conference games against top 25 teams. They went undefeated OOC in the same amount of games as in the conference regular season where they went 9-9. 2014 had a similar story.

I would compare OOC games against QUAD 1 teams to BE games over a period of time, and I'd imagine the # of fouls and esp. the shooting %s would be much lower in the BE.
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I agree with you on this. The front office wants to market the NBE as the rough tough urban thug league ( despite the fact that it’s 2 best teams historically are UConn from bucolic Storrs CT and Villanova from the mean streets of The Philadelphia Main Line.). So they encourage grabbing, holding, pushing , generally knocking people around. It’s obvious when you listen to the tv coverage, especially Marshal but others too that it is the league’s signature so to speak.
 
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freescooter said:
I agree with you on this. The front office wants to market the NBE as the rough tough urban thug league ( despite the fact that it’s 2 best teams historically are UConn from bucolic Storrs CT and Villanova from the mean streets of The Philadelphia Main Line.). So they encourage grabbing, holding, pushing , generally knocking people around. It’s obvious when you listen to the tv coverage, especially Marshal but others too that it is the league’s signature so to speak.
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This is not 1992. The Big East is a slashing 3 and D league just like every other league. The refs have been fine this season. UConn wouldn't be 19-1 if they weren't.

UConn is not blowing teams out because our offense is not as good as it was in 22-23, 23-24 and the first half of 24-25. UConn's 23-24 team may be the most efficient college offense we will ever see in our lifetime. This team is different, and it will have to find another way to win the title.
 
nelsonmuntz said:
This is not 1992. The Big East is a slashing 3 and D league just like every other league. The refs have been fine this season. UConn wouldn't be 19-1 if they weren't.

UConn is not blowing teams out because our offense is not as good as it was in 22-23, 23-24 and the first half of 24-25. UConn's 23-24 team may be the most efficient college offense we will ever see in our lifetime. This team is different, and it will have to find another way to win the title.
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Do you watch how other conferences are reffed? It’s a completely different sport. The BE refereeing is abominable. It’s designed to prop up the less talented teams by allowing them to muck up the game.
 
freescooter said:
Not even a vaguely close comparison. In 2009 the Original Big East had 6 teams in the Top 25, 3 in the Top 10, 4 in the top 11. The NewBE has 1 in the top 25. People who weren’t around or were in their pre-teens have no freaking idea of the difference in quality between the 2
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The Big East has 2 in the top 25. It's also hilarious how you handpick a year when the Big East has 8 members (half the conference) who were added much later then when the Big East was formed.

If you want I'll show you how many bids the conference got every year and how different the league was since it was formed.
 
superjohn said:
The Big East has 2 in the top 25. It's also hilarious how you handpick a year when the Big East has 8 members (half the conference) who were added much later then when the Big East was formed.

If you want I'll show you how many bids the conference got every year and how different the league was since it was formed.
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I picked the year because he referenced it. Follow along Johnnie. Yeah there are now 2 in the top 25. I missed St John’s. 6>2. Oh and it is #25. 4 in the Top 11 is better. Sorry mate, the real Big East was eons better that this motley group. You want to go back to the early years? Sure. Like 1985, the year the Big East had 3 teams in the final 4. There were 9 teams, I believe. The original 7 plus Villanova in 1980 and Pitt in 1982. 6 bids. 5 in the round of 16. 3 in the Final 4. 2 in the Final. The only way the current group performs like that is if every team the power conferences decide not to participate and they backfill with teams from the MAC and the Northeast Conference. You and your friends like to pretend that Catholics will someday rise up and be significant players again. Maybe Villanova does, though I think their coach is limited. He’s good not great.

You know basketball and you know the current Big East is a shadow of the Original group whether you want to talk 1979-94 or after 1995, or certainly the post 2005 realignment.
 
We are 19 and 1 but I think we can play better offensively. And if we do we can beat anyone. Start with the guards crashing the boards and pushing the ball up court. Next get Tarris to pass the ball as soon as he sees a double team coming (this issue feels so similar to Adama in Jan 23) 3. Be quicker and more decisive when inbounding the ball. 4. Win another title
 
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We played 2x with DePaul and cannot say either was "super difficult".

This game will be different. With Edwards out, they don't have a strong semblance of a point guard (kinda like us last year) and their shooters are known to us. We might see Ross a little more for D, but Tarris can get their 5 into foul trouble, and Demary will have a freshman at times guarding him, this could be a rout!
 
Class of 09 said:
I think it’s as simple as this team just plays to their competition and its physical conference play…
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I agree, I think it is as simple as this.

And while playing down risks eventually getting bit, and we very well might at some point, I still have not been particularly worried about losing any of our close games this year, and I'm not usually like that. It just always feels to me like this team is not going to let themselves lose.
 
uconn_jack said:
I agree, I think it is as simple as this.

And while playing down risks eventually getting bit, and we very well might at some point, I still have not been particularly worried about losing any of our close games this year, and I'm not usually like that. It just always feels to me like this team is not going to let themselves lose.
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The PC game?
 
willie99 said:
They know us, they don't fear us, they hate us, we're the circled game on their schedule twice a year every year, we're their path to the tournament, they have their best crowds when we come to town, they have their best TV exposure when they play us

and yes, because they know us so well, they know our motion offense and they get overly physical when they see something coming

Then Danny is going to lose it, often times getting a T, and then the refs go on pretending we're not getting fouled
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Often times getting t’d up? 2 this year and one was at halftime
 
KingAG said:
Do you watch how other conferences are reffed? It’s a completely different sport. The BE refereeing is abominable. It’s designed to prop up the less talented teams by allowing them to muck up the game.
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Same refs work in all conferences now. There is no such thing as a “Big East Ref only Referee”
 
freescooter said:
I picked the year because he referenced it. Follow along Johnnie. Yeah there are now 2 in the top 25. I missed St John’s. 6>2. Oh and it is #25. 4 in the Top 11 is better. Sorry mate, the real Big East was eons better that this motley group. You want to go back to the early years? Sure. Like 1985, the year the Big East had 3 teams in the final 4. There were 9 teams, I believe. The original 7 plus Villanova in 1980 and Pitt in 1982. 6 bids. 5 in the round of 16. 3 in the Final 4. 2 in the Final. The only way the current group performs like that is if every team the power conferences decide not to participate and they backfill with teams from the MAC and the Northeast Conference. You and your friends like to pretend that Catholics will someday rise up and be significant players again. Maybe Villanova does, though I think their coach is limited. He’s good not great.

You know basketball and you know the current Big East is a shadow of the Original group whether you want to talk 1979-94 or after 1995, or certainly the post 2005 realignment.
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What is the real Big East? 2009 looked nothing like the Big East of 1985.

Things have always changed. Programs and conferences have always had ups and downs and they have always changed as to teams moving and being added and they will continue to...

1985 when the Big East got three teams in the final 4 the league was 9 schools- St. John's, Georgetown, Syracuse, Nova, Seton Hall, Pitt, UConn, Providence, BC

The late 90's early 2000's period the Big East was a conference of 13 teams with 5 bids each year and even a 4 bid year. The conference was UConn, St. John's, Seton Hall, Providence, Villanova, Georgetown Syracuse, BC, Pitt, Miami, Rutgers, West Virginia, Notre Dame, with Virginia Tech being added at the end of it to make the conference 14 teams.

Then in 2005-2006 BC, Miami, and Virginia Tech were gone and Marquette, Louisville, Cincinnati, DePaul, and South Florida were added to make it a 16 team conference and the conference was getting 8 bids culminating in 2010-2011 when the conference got 11 bids.

Then the league went down to a 10 team conference of St. John's, Georgetown, Seton Hall, Providence, Nova, Marquette, DePaul and new additions Creighton, Xavier, Butler where they got 4 bids, 6 bids, 5 bids (national champion), 7 bids, 6 bids (national champion), 4 bids, no tournament Covid (would've had 5 or 6 bids.)

Then it went to it's current form as an 11 team conference with the addition of UConn 4 bids, 6 bids, 5 bids (national champion), 3 bids but should've been 5 or 6 bids (national champion), 5 bids, this current season? I suspect 3 or 4 bids.

Big East National Champions- Georgetown 1984, Nova 1985, UConn 1999, Syracuse 2003, UConn 2004, UConn 2011, Nova 2016, Nova 2018, UConn 2023, UConn 2024
 
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