OT: NIL and the Transfer Portal...How do you fix it?

[F101Voodoo]

You won't be able to get that genie back in the bottle. You won't be able to really regulate the portal or NIL.

True…Welcome to college professional sports the new reality of the college athletic
world for good or for bad.

 

[F101Voodoo]

Whatever keeps players at a school for 2 years

Hey colleges are the minor leagues for the NBA and HFL And to some degree of NHL.

 

[mussels]

This is the likeliest fix. Something Dartmouth players are working on.

Dartmouth players withdrew their request.

Dartmouth basketball players end their unionization attempt in anticipation of shifting NLRB

The Dartmouth men’s basketball team is dropping its attempt to form a union.

apnews.com

 

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Dartmouth players withdrew their request.

Dartmouth basketball players end their unionization attempt in anticipation of shifting NLRB

The Dartmouth men’s basketball team is dropping its attempt to form a union.

apnews.com

They’re looking to open it up to more athletes.

 

[temery]

Return to sit a year if you transfer.

 

[How Sway?!]

A lot of the solutions posted here have already been deemed illegal by the courts. If you want limits on transfers and/or regulate NIL, collective bargaining is the only option but it seems the NCAA and the schools are hell bent on never allowing it so we're stuck with this free for all

 

[Scottobot]

Maybe this is a topic that has been posted before, but what is the fix? I don't see NIL itself as the problem, but rather NIL coupled with the transfer portal, where everyone is a free agent all of the time, with no binding obligation to even play a full year. (Think the UNLV QB, which is the tip of the iceberg)

Is it contracts? Players as employees? Restricting times one can transfer (though I believe the courts have shot this down)? Share your thoughts.

Maybe I'm old, but I miss the days when Josh Boone, Denham Brown, Rashad Anderson, and Hilton Armstrong stayed at the same school for FOUR YEARS and developed into NBA lotto picks from nothing (see Hilton in particular). Today, Samson Johnson will be the anomally in the sport. I'll always love Cam, but he was a one-year hired gun after time at two other schools.

People have historically liked college sports because it was not the pros, and going to a school to play was not a "business decision". These were once 18 yr olds trying to develop a skill to eventually use professionally. It is no longer that. I'm all for NIL, do not doubt that, as schools reaping the financial benefit while preserving "amateurism" was BS for decades. But what will separate college sports from the pros? Nothing seems to right now (except the college game is more of the wild west compared to the pros). Will interest eventually wane because of full roster turnover year after year?

Football is getting tampered with (as I'm sure many are being enticed by the B10/SEC). MBB has generally been spared the transfer portal exodus (but for Naheim)--though after a few non-championship seasons (if that occurs), hard to not see them experiencing the same fate.

There needs to be a solution. Guys should not play for 4 schools in 4 years. That's the pro-game, not the college game. I used to like the once a husky, always a husky...so long as you didn't transfer out. Just my musings, and opening this up for others to opine...

The changes are not good for fans, but it wasn’t really fair to trap players at a school with a coach they don’t like. Also wasn’t fair they couldn’t make money on the side.
Perhaps there is a compromise where you are allowed to transfer once without penalty but not twice.
Also schools like UNC would promise the world to 5 top 25 recruits, and only 2 or 3 would play. Now the other 2 guys can go someplace else.

 

[Zonepress]

A lot of the solutions posted here have already been deemed illegal by the courts. If you want limits on transfers and/or regulate NIL, collective bargaining is the only option but it seems the NCAA and the schools are hell bent on never allowing it so we're stuck with this free for all

For educational purposes What u have posted needs to be reposted every week or so!!

 

[Jbirdp5]

Apparently “players making too much money”
Is the problem””
No indignation about coaches salaries overblown
Athletic departments etc
I’m amazed that folks have so much to say about
A private transaction (nil) between two parties that
Is essentially none of their business

Most sane people are fine with kids getting their value, I think the bigger issues are unlimited transfers and one year contracts. If nfl or nba teams had all players on one year contracts and tons of guys switching teams every year it would hurt fan interest. Some guard rails would be good for everyone, even the players in the long run.

 

[nelsonmuntz]

Most sane people are fine with kids getting their value, I think the bigger issues are unlimited transfers and one year contracts. If nfl or nba teams had all players on one year contracts and tons of guys switching teams every year it would hurt fan interest. Some guard rails would be good for everyone, even the players in the long run.

Agree. College sports needs to find its Nash Equilibrium.

 

[JohnFSilver]

Maybe this is a topic that has been posted before, but what is the fix? I don't see NIL itself as the problem, but rather NIL coupled with the transfer portal, where everyone is a free agent all of the time, with no binding obligation to even play a full year. (Think the UNLV QB, which is the tip of the iceberg)

Is it contracts? Players as employees? Restricting times one can transfer (though I believe the courts have shot this down)? Share your thoughts.

Maybe I'm old, but I miss the days when Josh Boone, Denham Brown, Rashad Anderson, and Hilton Armstrong stayed at the same school for FOUR YEARS and developed into NBA lotto picks from nothing (see Hilton in particular). Today, Samson Johnson will be the anomally in the sport. I'll always love Cam, but he was a one-year hired gun after time at two other schools.

People have historically liked college sports because it was not the pros, and going to a school to play was not a "business decision". These were once 18 yr olds trying to develop a skill to eventually use professionally. It is no longer that. I'm all for NIL, do not doubt that, as schools reaping the financial benefit while preserving "amateurism" was BS for decades. But what will separate college sports from the pros? Nothing seems to right now (except the college game is more of the wild west compared to the pros). Will interest eventually wane because of full roster turnover year after year?

Football is getting tampered with (as I'm sure many are being enticed by the B10/SEC). MBB has generally been spared the transfer portal exodus (but for Naheim)--though after a few non-championship seasons (if that occurs), hard to not see them experiencing the same fate.

There needs to be a solution. Guys should not play for 4 schools in 4 years. That's the pro-game, not the college game. I used to like the once a husky, always a husky...so long as you didn't transfer out. Just my musings, and opening this up for others to opine...

What do you want to fix?

Player movement?
Player payment?

I don't think it needs to be fixed.

 

[nelsonmuntz]

This is the likeliest fix. Something Dartmouth players are working on.

Hopefully they succeed because something has to be done about this to bring some normalcy back to college athletics.

If there’s at least transfer portal restrictions again it’ll help at least incentivize players to make more long term decisions about the placed they go.

College sports is not many steps from players changing teams at halftime of a game. And college sports may be a lot closer than that to alumni of one team paying players on another team to throw a game. It desperately needs a legal framework or there are going to be disasters that could permanently undermine the product.

 

[Zonepress]

College sports is not many steps from players changing teams at halftime of a game. And college sports may be a lot closer than that to alumni of one team paying players on another team to throw a game. It desperately needs a legal framework or there are going to be disasters that could permanently undermine the product.

So their needs to be a “legal remedy” to limit
The players personal freedoms (ability to earn money) because there is a possibility of
“Alumni “ paying players to throw a game?
There are already laws in place regarding point shaving and fixing of games

 

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Most sane people are fine with kids getting their value, I think the bigger issues are unlimited transfers and one year contracts. If nfl or nba teams had all players on one year contracts and tons of guys switching teams every year it would hurt fan interest. Some guard rails would be good for everyone, even the players in the long run.

Bingo

 

[boog204]

The NIL is what it is and I have no issue with it nor do I think there would ever be a way to regulate it. If BYU or someone else has a billion dollars to throw around, so be it. Buy your team and let's see how it works out. It never really has before.

I do think the portal can be fixed to allow one "free" transfer and then have a sit out year unless there is a clearly defined hardship/reason (family, coaching vacancy, etc.)

 

[Palatine]

When a player transfers, he loses a year of eligibility. That would slow down the player movement. There would still be a market for elite players but mid-line players would have to think hard about entering the portal.

 

[ctchamps]

When a player transfers, he loses a year of eligibility. That would slow down the player movement. There would still be a market for elite players but mid-line players would have to think hard about entering the portal.

I thought this was ruled against. Anyways I'm against it. I don't like punishing athlete transfers if coaches and non athlete students have complete freedom of movement. Rather set up limits on how many transfer a program can play in a particular season with the numbers varying for different sports.

 

[WhereistheDove?]

Return to sit a year if you transfer.

I’d be fine with one free transfer and then sit a year. Would make the calculus a bit different if you can’t just redshirt and transfer again if things don’t pan out.

 

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I’d be fine with one free transfer and then sit a year. Would make the calculus a bit different if you can’t just redshirt and transfer again if things don’t pan out.

That and it’d keep kids from bag hunting every year after the season. You get one chance to renegotiate your NIL. Make it count.

 

[nelsonmuntz]

So their needs to be a “legal remedy” to limit
The players personal freedoms (ability to earn money) because there is a possibility of
“Alumni “ paying players to throw a game?
There are already laws in place regarding point shaving and fixing of games

That is one of the stupider strawmen in Boneyard history, and that is saying something. Where did I say players should not be paid? That is not a rhetorical question, please show me the post where I said that.

As for the rest, you have no idea what you are talking about. Right now, the NCAA has no legal structure or ability to regulate anything, nor does any combination of conferences. But the players are not employees yet, which seems to give them rights that an employee does not have. For example, as an employee, there is a duty of loyalty to your employer in most states. It is less clear what duty an independent contractor, which players are right now, has to their school, especially if their compensation is coming from an NIL collective.

But in your world, no one would be allowed to regulate any of it. Why not just have players change teams in mid-play at that point?

 

[Get a Job]

So rephrasing someone's post in a way that misrepresents the original poster's intention is "building a strawman," and should not be done? Got it.



Edit: Whoops, this was supposed to be a reply post to the previous post from @nelsonmuntz.

 

[Hey Adrien!]

VCU is basically offering salary for their athletes. To me, this is the cleanest, most logical way to pay athletes.

 

[superjohn]

VCU is basically offering salary for their athletes. To me, this is the cleanest, most logical way to pay athletes.

I can't read the article. Which athletes are being paid and how do they determine the pay structure. Since basketball is probably their only sport that brings in money are they only paying the basketball players?

 

[HooperScooper]

VCU is basically offering salary for their athletes. To me, this is the cleanest, most logical way to pay athletes.

Isn't this what every program will do next year with revenue sharing?

 

[Zonepress]

That is one of the stupider strawmen in Boneyard history, and that is saying something. Where did I say players should not be paid? That is not a rhetorical question, please show me the post where I said that.

As for the rest, you have no idea what you are talking about. Right now, the NCAA has no legal structure or ability to regulate anything, nor does any combination of conferences. But the players are not employees yet, which seems to give them rights that an employee does not have. For example, as an employee, there is a duty of loyalty to your employer in most states. It is less clear what duty an independent contractor, which players are right now, has to their school, especially if their compensation is coming from an NIL collective.

But in your world, no one would be allowed to regulate any of it. Why not just have players change teams in mid-play at that point?

correct I don’t believe any of NIl should be regulated which is exactly what justice Kavanaugh said in his ruling