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Of course you are referencing the fact that DT steamrolled Nika, scoring the basket and earning an “and 1” for a 3-pt play. I suspect that Geno got a kick out of watching that play, both the fact that Nika took on the GOAT, and that the GOAT gave the youngster a lesson.
DT vs NM is classic basketball. Veterans teach not by X's and O's but by showing how it's done. Rookies learn by giving their complete attention to the finer details executed by the best and trying to emulate. It's all part of the game we love.
 

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Tell me if this makes sense, I think the W ought to have 2 salary caps. One for an 11 person roster and a second higher cap for a 12 person roster. That way a rookie won't be told that they won't make the team because the team would be a $1.37 over the salary cap. The second cap should be the rookie salary higher than the 11 person cap. We're talking about peanuts here, but I understand the W is not generally profitable...

If a team cannot afford a 12th player at the starting rookie salary they should start a Go-Fund-Me page (which has been known to bring in much more than that). Really, this whole situation is ridiculous. One of the reasons WCBB is more popular than the W.
 

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Tell me if this makes sense, I think the W ought to have 2 salary caps. One for an 11 person roster and a second higher cap for a 12 person roster. That way a rookie won't be told that they won't make the team because the team would be a $1.37 over the salary cap. The second cap should be the rookie salary higher than the 11 person cap. We're talking about peanuts here, but I understand the W is not generally profitable...

If a team cannot afford a 12th player at the starting rookie salary they should start a Go-Fund-Me page (which has been known to bring in much more than that). Really, this whole situation is ridiculous. One of the reasons WCBB is more popular than the W.
I think you should forward your suggestion to WNBA Commissioner Cathy Engelbert. :)
 
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Tell me if this makes sense, I think the W ought to have 2 salary caps. One for an 11 person roster and a second higher cap for a 12 person roster. That way a rookie won't be told that they won't make the team because the team would be a $1.37 over the salary cap. The second cap should be the rookie salary higher than the 11 person cap. We're talking about peanuts here, but I understand the W is not generally profitable...

If a team cannot afford a 12th player at the starting rookie salary they should start a Go-Fund-Me page (which has been known to bring in much more than that). Really, this whole situation is ridiculous. One of the reasons WCBB is more popular than the W.
In the situation of the Seattle Storm, it is going to be $17.00; no, not as little as a buck thirty seven, but literally seventeen dollars!
 
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Another solution, completely contrary to the Collective Bargaining Agreement, would be to allow a player to say “Although I was drafted as the fourteenth player overall, I would like to sign a contract for the league minimum salary of $64,154. I recognize that you want to pay me $67,249 because of my draft status, but I will accept the league minimum today and work towards a promotion and a larger salary in future, where do I sign?”
 

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Another solution, completely contrary to the Collective Bargaining Agreement, would be to allow a player to say “Although I was drafted as the fourteenth player overall, I would like to sign a contract for the league minimum salary of $64,154. I recognize that you want to pay me $67,249 because of my draft status, but I will accept the league minimum today and work towards a promotion and a larger salary in future, where do I sign?”
Not crazy about that. It would allow unscrupulous owners to whipsaw 2 or more players to accept lower compensation than they are due, and it would also be in violation of the CBA. The goal should be to raise overall WNBA salaries, not reduce them.
 

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Not crazy about that. It would allow unscrupulous owners to whipsaw 2 or more players to accept lower compensation than they are due, and it would also be in violation of the CBA. The goal should be to raise overall WNBA salaries, not reduce them.
On the other hand, it empowers players to make a decision as to whether or not they're willing to accept a nominal decrease to play in the WNBA. I accept that it may be violent at the CBA, but I am always partial to treating people like adults.
 

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On the other hand, it empowers players to make a decision as to whether or not they're willing to accept a nominal decrease to play in the WNBA. I accept that it may be violent at the CBA, but I am always partial to treating people like adults.
Again, if someone is willing to take less pay than they are due, it presents a whole host of problems, not the least of which includes the potential of players to be referred to as “scabs” as well as the likely opposition of veteran players who would also be subject to whipsawing by owners.

I much prefer Skeets suggestion that teams be allotted 2 salary caps for 11 or 12 players respectively. The other possibility is that teams can pay the league a “luxury tax” similar to MLB if they exceed the salary cap.
 
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Again, if someone is willing to take less pay than they are due, it presents a whole host of problems, not the least of which includes the potential of players to be referred to as “scabs” as well as the likely opposition of veteran players who would also be subject to whipsawing by owners.

I much prefer Skeets suggestion that teams be allotted 2 salary caps for 11 or 12 players respectively. The other possibility is that teams can pay the league a “luxury tax” similar to MLB if they exceed the salary cap.
It is Capitalism. Further, these are professional athletes being discussed, not staff at a hair salon. This is a ‘protection’ that has absolutely ship-wrecked players careers in the past and will continue to do so into the future. In addition to being on the bubble and having to outplay other teammates for the roster spot, if your ‘required salary’ is $652 more than others only because you were drafted a few spots higher, and as a result puts the team over the limit, regardless of whether you’re a better player or not you don’t make the team. What is necessary, is to MAKE THE TEAM!!!

Step 1 – Make the team as a rookie!!!

Step 2 – Be a hard worker, be charismatic, become a crowd favorite, but not just in the women’s basketball stadium but rather become a community favorite! (Nika’s personality and attractive appearance certainly will not hurt her).

Step 3 – Appear in commercials and advertising; be compensated an amount that will make the WNBA Salary nothing but what it really is, a pittance, and the $652 makes no dang difference.

Step 4 – Make the team as a second-year player!!!

Step 5 – Rinse and repeat.


And yet, if a player is not able to get through Step 1, … well, maybe there are alternatives. They could go play in Europe, or put that Psychology degree to practice in the real world.
 

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Again, if someone is willing to take less pay than they are due, it presents a whole host of problems, not the least of which includes the potential of players to be referred to as “scabs” as well as the likely opposition of veteran players who would also be subject to whipsawing by owners.
I guess, but shouldn't that be their choice, rather than someone else's? I'm always wary when people who aren't involved decide that "they know what's best" for people who are actually involved and have an economic interest.

I'm not sure that anyone is going to call a member of the union who is working wow there is no strike in progress "a scab."

I'm also not sure what the "whipsaw" would be to veteran players. For what it's worth veteran players often choose to take less to allow other players on the roster. Stewart did this very recently. Why shouldn't a rookie be able to decide to take 3000 less dollars versus not make the team because of salary cap. Again, trust adults to make their own decisions.

That said, it's all theoretical because the CBA is in place and if that means that some marginal rookies are not going to get to play because of the salary cap, well, it is what it is.
 

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It is Capitalism. Further, these are professional athletes being discussed, not staff at a hair salon. This is a ‘protection’ that has absolutely ship-wrecked players careers in the past and will continue to do so into the future. In addition to being on the bubble and having to outplay other teammates for the roster spot, if your ‘required salary’ is $652 more than others only because you were drafted a few spots higher, and as a result puts the team over the limit, regardless of whether you’re a better player or not you don’t make the team. What is necessary, is to MAKE THE TEAM!!!

Step 1 – Make the team as a rookie!!!

Step 2 – Be a hard worker, be charismatic, become a crowd favorite, but not just in the women’s basketball stadium but rather become a community favorite! (Nika’s personality and attractive appearance certainly will not hurt her).

Step 3 – Appear in commercials and advertising; be compensated an amount that will make the WNBA Salary nothing but what it really is, a pittance, and the $652 makes no dang difference.

Step 4 – Make the team as a second-year player!!!

Step 5 – Rinse and repeat.


And yet, if a player is not able to get through Step 1, … well, maybe there are alternatives. They could go play in Europe, or put that Psychology degree to practice in the real world.
I guess, but shouldn't that be their choice, rather than someone else's? I'm always wary when people who aren't involved decide that "they know what's best" for people who are actually involved and have an economic interest.

I'm not sure that anyone is going to call a member of the union who is working wow there is no strike in progress "a scab."

I'm also not sure what the "whipsaw" would be to veteran players. For what it's worth veteran players often choose to take less to allow other players on the roster. Stewart did this very recently. Why shouldn't a rookie be able to decide to take 3000 less dollars versus not make the team because of salary cap. Again, trust adults to make their own decisions.

That said, it's all theoretical because the CBA is in place and if that means that some marginal rookies are not going to get to play because of the salary cap, well, it is what it is.
Minimum wage laws were implemented following the Great Depression to protect workers and insure they had an acceptable standard of living. Absent such protections, unscrupulous employers were far more likely to drive down compensation for all employees. I was profoundly impacted by reading “The Grapes of Wrath” in HS, which outlined the cruel exploitation of agricultural workers during the Depression.

I know you’re likely to respond, “But these are professional athletes and college graduates?” This is not the NBA where minimum salaries are $1.1 million. The current minimum salary in the W is $64,154. Try living in LA, Chicago, NY, DC on $64k. WBB players should not have to play year round to make a decent living, putting enormous strain on their bodies, while living in a foreign country.

With just 144 precious roster spots available, many teams only filling 11/12 spots and many talented WBB players desperate to make it in the W, just how low should players be forced to go before we are no longer talking about “Capitalism” but rather “Exploitation?”
 
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In the situation of the Seattle Storm, it is going to be $17.00; no, not as little as a buck thirty seven, but literally seventeen dollars!
Hmmm, so if everyone on the 11 man roster takes a $1.60 pay cut, then the team can fund a 12th player under the salary cap (less than a cup of coffee)? No, I don't like that solution. This is beyond ridiculous. The W needs to get their act together. Some of their problems are self-inflicted.

If they cut out the bag of 8 peanuts on their (future) chartered flights would this fund the 12th player?
 
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Hmmm, so if everyone on the 11 man roster takes a $1.60 pay cut, then the team can fund a 12th player under the salary cap (less than a cup of coffee)? No, I don't like that solution. This is beyond ridiculous. The W needs to get their act together. Some of their problems are self-inflicted.

If they cut out the bag of 8 peanuts on their (future) chartered flights would this fund the 12th player?

I think it means that they would be $17 over the hard cap if they go with a certain scenario and keep Nika instead of Jade Melbourne, still 11 players, not 12 players.
 
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