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HuskyHawk said:
He got overpaid, but only a 3 year deal. I think Washington was desperate because they have a short window while Daniels is on his rookie deal. I don't think any other team was paying him that much.
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McLaurin asking for a trade may actually have been to Washington's advantage. Another team would have had to give up draft capital AND pay McLaurin what he wanted. I don't know if it was seriously entertained, but I have a lot of doubt it was ever going to happen if it was.

McLaurin is under contract for 2025. The savvy, dollars & cents, business move for Washington would have for him to play out his current deal and franchise him for the next two seasons at below $30M, but that does not account for a man's psyche and whatever effort he would put in while being pi55ed off. On the other hand, now that he has his money, will he go all out? I hope think so. If Terry has demonstrated anything, it's that he is no Albert Haynesworth.
 
Husky25 said:
McLaurin asking for a trade may actually have been to Washington's advantage. Another team would have had to give up draft capital AND pay McLaurin what he wanted. I don't know if it was seriously entertained, but I have a lot of doubt it was ever going to happen if it was.

McLaurin is under contract for 2025. The savvy, dollars & cents, business move for Washington would have for him to play out his current deal and franchise him for the next two seasons at below $30M, but that does not account for a man's psyche and whatever effort he would put in while being pi55ed off. On the other hand, now that he has his money, will he go all out? I hope think so. If Terry has demonstrated anything, it's that he is no Albert Haynesworth.
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I don't feel like many of these preseason "trade demands" carry much weight. A guy like Brian Robinson had no leverage and got traded, sure. But it feels like most times they either sit out and ruin their market value (LeVeon Bell) or cave in to a fair deal at the end of camp.

My issue there is, it seems like the holdouts always result in some sort of soft tissue issues because they're just not in football shape. Hamstrings, calves, etc.

I'll be very curious what Dallas does with Micah Parsons in the next couple weeks. Sure, he's great but I don't think that team is much different in the standings with or without him at year's end.
 
Deepster said:
I don't feel like many of these preseason "trade demands" carry much weight. A guy like Brian Robinson had no leverage and got traded, sure. But it feels like most times they either sit out and ruin their market value (LeVeon Bell) or cave in to a fair deal at the end of camp.

My issue there is, it seems like the holdouts always result in some sort of soft tissue issues because they're just not in football shape. Hamstrings, calves, etc.

I'll be very curious what Dallas does with Micah Parsons in the next couple weeks. Sure, he's great but I don't think that team is much different in the standings with or without him at year's end.
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Dallas is not a playoff team on paper and I don't think they are on the field either. I foresee them fighting the Giants for third. So as good as Parsons is, his contribution will be akin to A-Rod winning the MVP on the last place Rangers.

I think the Giants are more talented as a team, albeit young and need time to season.
 
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Husky25 said:
Dallas is not a playoff team on paper and I don't think they are on the field either. I foresee them fighting the Giants for third. So as good as Parsons' is, his contribution will be akin to A-Rod winning the MVP on the last place Rangers.

I think the Giants are more talented as a team, albeit young and need time to season.
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Agreed. They really should trade him, but I don't think they'd get anything close to what they probably want for him. Same reason as what you said about Terry. It's just really bad NFL economics to surrender draft capital and then pay a guy like a top of market FA. You're paying twice. Maybe if you're a team with zero Super Bowls and you think he puts you over the top you pull the trigger. Can't think of a team like that except maybe Buffalo. Lions would qualify but that's not really a need for them.
 
I like to see players betting on themselves, but this is...Wow!!!

Big win for the team.

 
That was a tough game last night for Washington. I'm not so disappointed with the loss, but what happened on the way to the loss.

First of all, No excuses. There was no hinge call that went the other way or single play that turned the game. Green Bay WON in dominant fashion. Their defense will be tough for any of their opponents and barring injury Josh Jacobs will be a beast all season.

On the other hand...

The four major injuries are all huge blows and are going to hurt (No pun intended) for the rest of the season. Wise (Big bodied run stopper) and Ekeler (receiving back) especially so. Bates too. He may have been the best blocking TE in the league. Noah Brown is living off the tipped Hail Mary ball vs. Chicago. He'll need to fall down the depth chart. I think Washington has a couple options on their practice squad but may go looking for a surehanded vet as well.

Washington should have had a kicking competition and not just have anointed Matt Gay. He will probably need to clear out his locker this week.

Finally, the jury is still out on Josh Conerly. One might expect more out of a 1st round tackle, but a veteran would look foolish vs. Brian Burns and Micah Parsons over a five day period.

Oh well. On to the mini-bye and Week 3...But first UConn Football on Saturday. Need to get that rancid Orange taste out of my mouth.
 
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Husky25 said:
I like to see players betting on themselves, but this is...Wow!!!

Big win for the team.

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More like what I expected. If he wanted that super high AAV he wasn’t going to get the guaranteed money over a longer period. He’s just not really that tier of player.
 
Jags Bengals game was entertaining. I watch a lot of the Jags since they are my typical regional coverage. Joe Burrow his big so Browning relieved him and scored ghee winning TD going over/pushed over the goal line to win by four.

The Jags failed on fourth and five in red zone with four minutes left by going for it. Similar to UConn’s decision against Delaware.
 
Matt Gay missed another chippy, but then hit from 46 and 56. He probably bought himself another week at Atlanta, but I think the Commanders should bring in some legs. The Giants are probably on the lookout for a new kicker too.
 
Way to go NFL. And now he's hurt.
 
The only thing good about the Commanders game is that the Patriots won.
 
That was a good weekend. UConn, Washington, and New England all won, where only one them was supposed to. Jayden Daniels is back and fully healthy heading into Monday Night, Hosting Chicago, with McLaurin probably on his way back to playing as well. I couldn't care less about Noah Brown (who caught the Hail Mary last season). I think Lane and McCaffrey will make him an afterthought by the end of the season. Bill is making fans forget about Brian Robinson Jr. as well.

Washington is favored by 4.5 (up from opening at 4.0) and is -230 (Up from -210) on the Moneyline. Of course this means nothing. I saw that only about 10% (if that) of the pundits had Washington pulling a win out of LA outright last week. Plus Chicago is coming off a bye.

The Bears chose to protect Caleb Williams and give him weapons (not the least of which is Ben Johnson), to the detriment of the other facets of the team. They give up 6.1 yds/rsh. which is bad news versus the NFL's #1 running team. They are better against the pass, but have allowed 10 passing touchdowns, which even considering their bye, ranks #31.
 
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Really a pretty wild start to the season.
  • Ravens are 1-4. They are toast. Even with Lamar back the defense is horrid. 177 Points Against
  • Bengals are trying to stay afloat with Flacco, probably in part because the Ravens suck
  • Chiefs are 2-3 and only really have a shot because the Chargers keep losing games they should win.
  • Colts are 4-1 behind Daniel Jones. Anybody questioning him over Richardson now? The key though has been elite defense. 89 points against. That plus Taylor wins games
  • Jags are 4-1, defense is good, offense is not, so this seems like a bit of a mirage.
  • NFC South sucks. Bucs are 4-1 but have net point differential of 3.
  • The Cardinals at 2-3 are +7. Every NFC west team is pretty good, but the Niners are +8 and 4-1 so seems like a mirage, like the Buc and Jags.
  • Lions might be the only truly good team in the NFC.
 
Last night's games were putrid, but mainly because the Commanders lost. No one wants to take the reigns of the league.

The Chargers (+2 point differential, got smoked by both Washington and NYG) and Steelers (12 point differential, with Aaron Rodgers at QB and 3/4 wins vs. the Jets, pre-gelled Patriots, and Browns.). The Colts are leading their divisions with smoke and mirrors. The best thing at the moment that can be said about the Colts is they've won they games they are supposed to (4/5 wins vs. Raiders, Cards, Dolphins and Titans.).

The Patriots have looked really good the last three weeks and they should add two more to their win streak, but it's also the softer part of their schedule.

The NFC is a little more stable. The Bucs are beating who they should but not by much. They played very well vs the 49ers, but their other 4 wins are by a combined 9 points. The Eagles have stumbled twice in a week to the Giants and Broncos, who put up 18 unanswered in the 4th quarter alone. The Packers, who looked like the team to beat in the NFC, have a tie to the Cowboys and a loss to the Browns. Washington is inconsistent at best so far. They are the oldest team in the league by a wide margin, are battling injuries, and they don't seem to have the same magic as last season.
 
Husky25 said:
Last night's games were putrid, but mainly because the Commanders lost. No one wants to take the reigns of the league.

The Chargers (+2 point differential, got smoked by both Washington and NYG) and Steelers (12 point differential, with Aaron Rodgers at QB and 3/4 wins vs. the Jets, pre-gelled Patriots, and Browns.). The Colts are leading their divisions with smoke and mirrors. The best thing at the moment that can be said about the Colts is they've won they games they are supposed to (4/5 wins vs. Raiders, Cards, Dolphins and Titans.).

The Patriots have looked really good the last three weeks and they should add two more to their win streak, but it's also the softer part of their schedule.

The NFC is a little more stable. The Bucs are beating who they should but not by much. They played very well vs the 49ers, but their other 4 wins are by a combined 9 points. The Eagles have stumbled twice in a week to the Giants and Broncos, who put up 18 unanswered in the 4th quarter alone. The Packers, who looked like the team to beat in the NFC, have a tie to the Cowboys and a loss to the Browns. Washington is inconsistent at best so far. They are the oldest team in the league by a wide margin, are battling injuries, and they don't seem to have the same magic as last season.
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I enjoy watching Baker and the Bucs. They’re without their top three receivers and still beat the 49’ers. Baker!s run for a first down which was soon followed by TD pass to Tez was special.
 
This week wasn't quite as crazy as last week, aside from the Giants' win. I am not sure when we will see the better teams start to separate themselves. There are a handful of bad teams, and then a bunch of teams that are pretty competitive with each other.

Historically, some of those teams will start to click and go on to double digit wins. Chiefs look like they might do that now. Indy defense should hold. Jacksonville? Maybe. Bucs are probably good. Packers too. Pats should win because the schedule is so weak. Chargers are 4-2 despite terrible offense so far. I think they could separate if they can score some points. Shouldn't be surprised when we see pretty decent but not great teams like Atlanta or the Panthers winning at home.
 
HuskyHawk said:
This week wasn't quite as crazy as last week, aside from the Giants' win. I am not sure when we will see the better teams start to separate themselves. There are a handful of bad teams, and then a bunch of teams that are pretty competitive with each other.

Historically, some of those teams will start to click and go on to double digit wins. Chiefs look like they might do that now. Indy defense should hold. Jacksonville? Maybe. Bucs are probably good. Packers too. Pats should win because the schedule is so weak. Chargers are 4-2 despite terrible offense so far. I think they could separate if they can score some points. Shouldn't be surprised when we see pretty decent but not great teams like Atlanta or the Panthers winning at home.
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I have been impressed by the Jags. They’re frisky on defense and have some weapons on offense. It’s obviously going to be up to Lawrence to become who they thought he would be.
 
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Deepster said:
I have been impressed by the Jags. They’re frisky on defense and have some weapons on offense. It’s obviously going to be up to Lawrence to become who they thought he would be.
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We doomed them it seems. Got absolutely wrecked.
 
HuskyHawk said:
We doomed them it seems. Got absolutely wrecked.
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Tough week for Florida NFL teams. Miami and Tampa Bay got crushed as well. I follow the Bucs and Baker. Losing Evans to broken clavicle was unfortunate.
 
HuskyHawk said:
Sorry @Husky25

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On the bright side, Terry and Deebo are in line to play and Mariota puts Washington toward the top of the ranks as far as back up QBs are concerned, but it certainly isn't ideal.

My son had a soccer game at 3:30, so I was able to watch most of the Patriots at home. It was 17-13 early in the 3rd, but when I pulled up a stream on my phone during his warmups, the score was 31-13. Needless to say the rest of the game was anti-climatic.

Washington was also on TV, starting at 4:25. So I decided to wait and watch it from the beginning. The recording never reached real-time, I turned it off after the 3rd, and haven't watched a down of football since.

A loss in a must-win game in Dallas was tough on multiple levels, but Daniels getting hurt was only one. He'll be back, but I hope they hold him out until he is 100% healthy. That franchise, and we who follow it, cannot abide another RGIII. The defense is a bigger concern. Dorrance Armstrong is also out for the year and joins Wise and Jean-Baptiste as DL on IR, The secondary (particularly Lattimore) is a sieve, and Matt Gay is...well as Hesh put it, "There's good and there's not good. [Matt Gay] is not good. Washington had the oldest roster in the league by almost 3 years...again. Something had to give. I just wasn't sure when. Last season's magic hasn't carried over and it gave in a big way.
 
This thread has ended up being me giving updates on Washington. So be it. Here is my final post as it pertains to the dreadful 2025 season.

The season was derailed by injuries and age. I said back in September that they got lucky with both in 2024. It's never a wise bet to believe lightning would strike in the same spot twice. Washington is picking 7th as we stand today and has 6 picks in April. However, two are in the 6th round and none in the 2nd or 4th. Peters can move lower in the 1st and pick up a 4th rounder, but I don't see a path toward a 2nd without moving out of the 1st.

They have 90M in cap room, so filling out the roster won't be a problem, but they have got to get younger. They were the oldest team by far last season it it showed. Particularly on Defense, though Jayden Daniels being in and out of the line up didn't help. I also think Mariota's days as a regular starter are over. After last season, I thought he may have a Geno Smith like twilight, but that is not the case now. He's a free agent again so who know if he will be a Commander next season.

As a team, Washington needs help at TE, WR, and everyone needs OL. On Defense, they are a mess. They need Secondary help, Linebacker, and an Edge rusher all before mentioning a defensive coordinator.

2026 will potentially be the last season they have so much cap space. They will either have to pick up Daniels' 5th year (pretty short money actually) or pay him $600M over 10 years, so it will again be an interesting offseason.

The final consideration is if Kliff Kingsbury finds a new job, either HC or OC somewhere else. He is still making HC money from Arizona so he has the ability to stay put and I hope he does.

That does it...On to the Playoffs for New England and the 2026 season after that. See you around Combine time.
 
Husky25 said:
This thread has ended up being me giving updates on Washington. So be it. Here is my final post as it pertains to the dreadful 2025 season.

The season was derailed by injuries and age. I said back in September that they got lucky with both in 2024. It's never a wise bet to believe lightning would strike in the same spot twice. Washington is picking 7th as we stand today and has 6 picks in April. However, two are in the 6th round and none in the 2nd or 4th. Peters can move lower in the 1st and pick up a 4th rounder, but I don't see a path toward a 2nd without moving out of the 1st.

They have 90M in cap room, so filling out the roster won't be a problem, but they have got to get younger. They were the oldest team by far last season it it showed. Particularly on Defense, though Jayden Daniels being in and out of the line up didn't help. I also think Mariota's days as a regular starter are over. After last season, I thought he may have a Geno Smith like twilight, but that is not the case now. He's a free agent again so who know if he will be a Commander next season.

As a team, Washington needs help at TE, WR, and everyone needs OL. On Defense, they are a mess. They need Secondary help, Linebacker, and an Edge rusher all before mentioning a defensive coordinator.

2026 will potentially be the last season they have so much cap space. They will either have to pick up Daniels' 5th year (pretty short money actually) or pay him $600M over 10 years, so it will again be an interesting offseason.

The final consideration is if Kliff Kingsbury finds a new job, either HC or OC somewhere else. He is still making HC money from Arizona so he has the ability to stay put and I hope he does.

That does it...On to the Playoffs for New England and the 2026 season after that. See you around Combine time.
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The division is interesting. The Giants found a QB. Have high draft picks. Should get better. Dallas...trying to rebuild. Dak quietly had a great year, but he's getting up there. Eagles have been so well coached that they have been strong, but they've been bleeding talent and are getting older. Should regress. Your Commanders have Daniels and otherwise need help. I tend to think all four teams will be "ok" next year, none great.
 
Husky25 said:
This thread has ended up being me giving updates on Washington. So be it. Here is my final post as it pertains to the dreadful 2025 season.

The season was derailed by injuries and age. I said back in September that they got lucky with both in 2024. It's never a wise bet to believe lightning would strike in the same spot twice. Washington is picking 7th as we stand today and has 6 picks in April. However, two are in the 6th round and none in the 2nd or 4th. Peters can move lower in the 1st and pick up a 4th rounder, but I don't see a path toward a 2nd without moving out of the 1st.

They have 90M in cap room, so filling out the roster won't be a problem, but they have got to get younger. They were the oldest team by far last season it it showed. Particularly on Defense, though Jayden Daniels being in and out of the line up didn't help. I also think Mariota's days as a regular starter are over. After last season, I thought he may have a Geno Smith like twilight, but that is not the case now. He's a free agent again so who know if he will be a Commander next season.

As a team, Washington needs help at TE, WR, and everyone needs OL. On Defense, they are a mess. They need Secondary help, Linebacker, and an Edge rusher all before mentioning a defensive coordinator.

2026 will potentially be the last season they have so much cap space. They will either have to pick up Daniels' 5th year (pretty short money actually) or pay him $600M over 10 years, so it will again be an interesting offseason.

The final consideration is if Kliff Kingsbury finds a new job, either HC or OC somewhere else. He is still making HC money from Arizona so he has the ability to stay put and I hope he does.

That does it...On to the Playoffs for New England and the 2026 season after that. See you around Combine time.
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I am not sold on Jayden Daniels. I think this year was a huge step backwards for him. If you look at him, CJ Stroud and Jordan Love, they were all placed way too high on pedestals way too soon. Looking even further down the line, as you said, he's got that 5th year and a big payday just up ahead. What happened to Kyler Murray and Deshaun Watson after they got the bag?
 
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HuskyHawk said:
The division is interesting. The Giants found a QB. Have high draft picks. Should get better. Dallas...trying to rebuild. Dak quietly had a great year, but he's getting up there. Eagles have been so well coached that they have been strong, but they've been bleeding talent and are getting older. Should regress. Your Commanders have Daniels and otherwise need help. I tend to think all four teams will be "ok" next year, none great.
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The Giants' young talent is stabilizing the lockeroom, no doubt. Unfortunately for them (Fortunate for the rest), John Mara still owns the franchise.
 
Deepster said:
I am not sold on Jayden Daniels. I think this year was a huge step backwards for him. If you look at him, CJ Stroud and Jordan Love, they were all placed way too high on pedestals way too soon. Looking even further down the line, as you said, he's got that 5th year and a big payday just up ahead. What happened to Kyler Murray and Deshaun Watson after they got the bag?
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Washington lost a lot of weapons during the 1st month of the season, including Daniels himself.

I also disagree with your assessments. After the Packers traded up to 26 to draft Love in 2020, he sat for two years behind Aaron Rodgers. That is not being put on a pedestal.

The Texans went 12-5 this year and CJ Stroud is about to play in his 3rd playoff tournament in as many years since being drafted. He's pretty good.

Deshawn Watson is a trainwreck. He was never indicted or criminally convicted, but is (was) on the business end of multiple civil suits and subject to NFL discipline by a league notorious for looking away from questionable behavior toward the opposite gender. Jayden Daniels' mother is his agent and business manager. It's not worth diving into it any further.

Other than both being dual threat QB's coached by Kliff Kingsbury, I don't think Murray is very comparable to Daniels either. Murray signed his monster deal containing a film study clause. By comparison, it was widely publicized in Washington circles that Daniels was the first player in the facility (and beating Kingsbury and Dan Quinn on many days) his rookie year, whether it be watching film, lifting, or otherwise preparing to play. Daniels is 6'-4". At 5'10", Murray has trouble looking over his offensive line. Also, Murray rode a single year (albeit 11-2, and statistically better in the Big XII than Daniels' final SEC year at LSU) as the Sooners' starter into the 2019 Draft. Daniels was 37-18 over five seasons, including 19-7 at LSU.

You may turn out to be correct, but I think the jury is still out and Daniels has more pluses than minuses.
 
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Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaannnnnnddd, there it is...Dammit:

 
Husky25 said:
The Giants' young talent is stabilizing the lockeroom, no doubt. Unfortunately for them (Fortunate for the rest), John Mara still owns the franchise.
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Not sure if Mara is the problem, but the front office certainly is. I still think the division is there for the taking if any of the four teams make the right moves. Philly is certainly strongest, but probably has the least ability to improve.
 
Not sure 8f I like this on it's face, but OC and HC are two completely different jobs and Dabol was really good with Josh Allen.

 
So where do people think the coaches will land?

Giants - Harbaugh. Seems an ideal fit.
Raiders - ? Maybe Brian Flores (history with Brady). Rumors of McCarthy
Titans - who wants this job?
Browns - Chris Shula? Vance Joseph?
Falcons - Stefanski?

Kingsbury being out means somebody specifically wants him. Would seem to be a team that had an opening for some time like the Titans.
 
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