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Message: [QUOTE="Papa33, post: 3118892, member: 682"] My eyes tell me that ND players, especially guards have, for several years, mastered four offensive maneuvers that give them either illegal advantage or send them to the foul line: The arm bar and push-off while dribbling The sideways leap into the vertical space of the defender to draw a foul call The flop, which has become so blatant that refs are no longer quite so easily buying into it The moving screen Now, to be honest, ND does not own the patent or eexclusive rights to those strategies, but they seem to count on them as a significant part of their offensive production. Maddening at times! [/QUOTE]