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upstater said:
Paterno screwed up bigtime, but doesn't it beg the question why administrators like Paterno (inside and out of sports) make the same mistake over and over again?

Hell no Sandusky wasn't railroaded. Even his own son testified against him. But I think the previous poster was referring to the fact that Sandusky was acquitted of the rape in the showers in 2001 because the prosecution decided not to call the guy to the stand. And oddly neither did the defense. The man was alternately quoted as saying nothing happened in the shower while at the same time he was suing Sandusky for s e xual molestation on other occasions. Both the prosecution and the defense saw him as a wildcard.

The thing I can't understand about Paterno being the main scapegoat is that he was aware of two instances (though the first was reported to police), whereas so many important people in the state were also aware and did nothing. I'm not even getting into police and child services in Centre County, but the Second Mile was told by Paterno and PSU, and the Second Mile BOD is filled with top honchos. The top of the state gov't knew, including prosecutors, for years, and they did nothing. This includes the former governor. And then you have the whole Clinton County school system that terrorized one of Sandusky's victims for years until he dropped out of school, and to this day that school system hasn't been disinfected of horribly corrupt teachers, football coaches, principals and superintendents. Not even an apology for terrorizing the victim. Then there's another very high amount of absurdity in that the Clinton County rape by Sandusky was reported in the media in 2009, a full 2 years BEFORE the story blew apart in 2011. That isolated rape in 2009 apparently had little media interest and even less prosecutorial interest. They sat on it for 2 years. Then in 2011, they convened for pre-prosecutorial testimony, and that's when the McQueary stuff came out. If I had to guess, there were people in the community who were flabbergasted that the 2009 story didn't blow Sandusky out of the water, that the state took no interest, and that this monster was allowed to continue, so someone dropped a dime on McQueary. it was only in 2011 that the governor and his friends in the AG office sent additional investigators to look at Sandusky. And in the end, Second Mile wasn't touched.

Given all this, it seems absurd that beyond Paterno, no one is taking serious blame.
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I don't necessarily disagree that others were is a position to stem the actions of Sandusky or that Paterno was singled out due to his prominence, while others skated. It happens all the time. I was just addressing the characterization of the testimony against Sandusky and the implication that the charges he was found guilty on were not as serious as they were.
 
It's easier and safer to go after the retiring old guy than people still in power who may remain in power for decades; and if the old guy is famous, you get more credit for being "tough" and "upright" for making him your scapegoat.

A lot of corruption there, as upstater says. It was CYA from beginning to end. Just like in the British BBC sex abuse and Rotherham sex slave grooming scandals, the officials weren't really bothered by crime and abuse; their only thought was for their own careers.
 
Unless an athletic program gains a competitive advantage from it's (in)action, sanctions, like those levied against PSU, should not be considered. The Sandusky situation is one that should have occurred in the courts exclusively. I have always thought that the NCAA sanctions levelled on PSU were an over reaction. The UNC scandal, while also a major academic scandal that reaches far beyond the AD, is also an athletic scandal and that portion should be dealt with by sanctions from the NCAA. Long term issues like that and the emerging Syracuse scandal are both worthy of death penalty consideration, IMO.
 
The Funster said:
Unless an athletic program gains a competitive advantage from it's (in)action, sanctions, like those levied against PSU, should not be considered. The Sandusky situation is one that should have occurred in the courts exclusively. I have always thought that the NCAA sanctions levelled on PSU were an over reaction. The UNC scandal, while also a major academic scandal that reaches far beyond the AD, is also an athletic scandal and that portion should be dealt with by sanctions from the NCAA. Long term issues like that and the emerging Syracuse scandal are both worthy of death penalty consideration, IMO.
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The NCAA levied the sanctions as a way for them to improve their image. In other words, a PR stunt. The NCAA said so in its emails, the second round of which were released yesterday. Apparently the Paterno clan has hinted that there's even juicier stuff about to drop as well as their lawsuit moves into its discovery phase. Looks like all those PSU fans screaming about this being a hit job are looking more and more correct by the day as the judges release more of the communications.
 
The Funster said:
Unless an athletic program gains a competitive advantage from it's (in)action, sanctions, like those levied against PSU, should not be considered. The Sandusky situation is one that should have occurred in the courts exclusively. I have always thought that the NCAA sanctions levelled on PSU were an over reaction. The UNC scandal, while also a major academic scandal that reaches far beyond the AD, is also an athletic scandal and that portion should be dealt with by sanctions from the NCAA. Long term issues like that and the emerging Syracuse scandal are both worthy of death penalty consideration, IMO.
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The sanctions had a two fold purpose. 1) They allowed the NCAA to publicly grandstand and play the bad a ss after years of being a punchline for their handling of actual infraction cases like USC, Miami, UNC, and Auburn.

Emmert knew he could get away with hammering PSU, because its own board had formed the narrative against the school in such a profoundly negative way. He had an opportunity to do the right thing and actually follow his own by laws and allow the process to play out, but instead he decided to try to boost his own image at the expense of NCAA Member in good standing.

2) The second purpose for the sanctions was to be a diversion. The PSU Board is run by a powerful sub group of appointed business and industry members that to date no one outside the board understands how they are appointed or how they can be removed. This group controls the voting process and directs all decision making. These people are career politicians and captains of industry. Not so coincidentally many of these members were financial supporters and active participants in Second Mile governance. They knew if Sandusky was viewed as Paterno Problem and a PSU Football Problem, then it wouldn't be scrutinized as Second Mile Problem, or state government problem. If you are the CEO of Merck or US Steel, you don't want to answer to your share holders why you are involved with an organization run by a serial pedophile. Offer up an irresistible scapegoat and the media will have a feedin frenzy.

The entertains thing is that eventually the truth comes out. There are a multitude of people who lack critical thinking skills that bought in to a false narrative. So many of these people will fight to defend this position regardless of what information comes to light. When this sorry affair is over you are going to see plenty of resignations, some restitution, and major NCAA Reform. For those people still in the dark as to what really went on in this case of coercion and collusion, you are I for a Hell of an eye opening.
 
upstater said:
Paterno screwed up bigtime, but doesn't it beg the question why administrators like Paterno (inside and out of sports) make the same mistake over and over again?

Hell no Sandusky wasn't railroaded. Even his own son testified against him. But I think the previous poster was referring to the fact that Sandusky was acquitted of the rape in the showers in 2001 because the prosecution decided not to call the guy to the stand. And oddly neither did the defense. The man was alternately quoted as saying nothing happened in the shower while at the same time he was suing Sandusky for s e xual molestation on other occasions. Both the prosecution and the defense saw him as a wildcard.

The thing I can't understand about Paterno being the main scapegoat is that he was aware of two instances (though the first was reported to police), whereas so many important people in the state were also aware and did nothing. I'm not even getting into police and child services in Centre County, but the Second Mile was told by Paterno and PSU, and the Second Mile BOD is filled with top honchos. The top of the state gov't knew, including prosecutors, for years, and they did nothing. This includes the former governor. And then you have the whole Clinton County school system that terrorized one of Sandusky's victims for years until he dropped out of school, and to this day that school system hasn't been disinfected of horribly corrupt teachers, football coaches, principals and superintendents. Not even an apology for terrorizing the victim. Then there's another very high amount of absurdity in that the Clinton County rape by Sandusky was reported in the media in 2009, a full 2 years BEFORE the story blew apart in 2011. That isolated rape in 2009 apparently had little media interest and even less prosecutorial interest. They sat on it for 2 years. Then in 2011, they convened for pre-prosecutorial testimony, and that's when the McQueary stuff came out. If I had to guess, there were people in the community who were flabbergasted that the 2009 story didn't blow Sandusky out of the water, that the state took no interest, and that this monster was allowed to continue, so someone dropped a dime on McQueary. it was only in 2011 that the governor and his friends in the AG office sent additional investigators to look at Sandusky. And in the end, Second Mile wasn't touched.

Given all this, it seems absurd that beyond Paterno, no one is taking serious blame.
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How is it absurd? If you offer up a figure as famous as Joe Paterno to the media, they suddenly lose interest in everyone else including then AG Tom Corbett, The Second Mile, PA State Police, Children and Youth etc.
 
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Ldandy said:
The sanctions had a two fold purpose. 1) They allowed the NCAA to publicly grandstand and play the bad a ss after years of being a punchline for their handling of actual infraction cases like USC, Miami, UNC, and Auburn.

Emmert knew he could get away with hammering PSU, because its own board had formed the narrative against the school in such a profoundly negative way. He had an opportunity to do the right thing and actually follow his own by laws and allow the process to play out, but instead he decided to try to boost his own image at the expense of a NCAA Member in good standing.

2) The second purpose for the sanctions was to be a diversion. The PSU Board is run by a powerful sub group of appointed business and industry members, that to date no one outside the board understands how they are appointed or how they can be removed. This group controls the voting process and directs all decision making. These people are career politicians and captains of industry. Not so coincidentally many of these members were financial supporters and active participants in Second Mile governance.

They knew if Sandusky was viewed as a Paterno Problem and a PSU Football Problem, then it wouldn't be scrutinized as a Second Mile Problem, or state government problem. If you are the CEO of Merck or US Steel, you don't want to answer to your share holders why you are involved with an organization run by a serial pedophile. Offer up an irresistible scapegoat and the media will have a feeding frenzy.

The entertaing thing is that eventually the truth comes out. There are a multitude of people who lack critical thinking skills that bought in to a false narrative. So many of these people will fight to defend this position regardless of what information comes to light.

When this sorry affair is over you are going to see plenty of resignations, some restitution, and major NCAA Reform. For those people still in the dark as to what really went on in this case of coercion and collusion, you are in for a Hell of an eye opening. Hopefully those who condemned the entire PSU Family for the actions of a few will be man or woman enough to say sorry I was wrong.
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