New JUCO rule

[Geew1992]

 

[maple]

 

[hoopsfan22]

JUCOs are just the minor leagues now. So who will be UConn's AAA and AA teams?

 

[oldhusky]

I don't think this is a good thing. Seems to me some high school players that are not serious about academics will see this as an easy way out, no problem I'll get my grades up in JC and then still have 4 years of Division 1 basketball. Also 6 years in college has been very beneficial to some players recently. Between the extra Covid year and one red-shirt year, you could easily get your free ride to include a master's degree. Even players in the future who get one red-shirt year could be half way towards a masters which is a pretty big deal.

Might be a reason Azzi comes back, for example. She graduated a year early so she is already heading in that direction, and could easily leave school after next year with a masters.

The problem with 6 years of college for players starting in JC is they are often at the other end of the academic spectrum, not as likely to achieve a higher degree even if it was paid for. I know that isn't true of everyone, but in general I think there is some truth to it. The current JC system gives some good athletes with marginal grades a second chance to achieve their dream of playing for a division 1 program. In exchange for that they give up one or two years of eligibility there. Seems fair to me.

 

[cancontent]

Diego Pavia court ruling another potentially massive blow for NCAA — 'It's not going to end until we collectively bargain'

The 30,000-foot view of the Pavia decision: It not only paves the way for all junior college players to gain an additional year, but it may invite even more legal challenges over the NCAA's eligibility rules.

sports.yahoo.com

Posted this in the transfer thread on the General Board. The tweet posted isn't entirely accurate.

A quote from the FAQ of this Yahoo Sports article.

"Do all former junior college players now have their eligibility extended?

The NCAA did not provide clarity on the ruling as it relates to other players in a similar position as Pavia. At least for now, there is no change to the eligibility rules that would affect all athletes. The order only applies to Pavia — for now."

It doesn't mean things aren't going to change, but this ruling is for an individual not all junior college players.

 

[HuskyNan]

I don't think this is a good thing. Seems to me some high school players that are not serious about academics will see this as an easy way out, no problem I'll get my grades up in JC and then still have 4 years of Division 1 basketball. Also 6 years in college has been very beneficial to some players recently. Between the extra Covid year and one red-shirt year, you could easily get your free ride to include a master's degree. Even players in the future who get one red-shirt year could be half way towards a masters which is a pretty big deal.

The problem with 6 years of college for players starting in JC is they are often at the other end of the academic spectrum, not as likely to achieve a higher degree even if it was paid for. I know that isn't true of everyone, but in general I think there is some truth to it. The current JC system gives some good athletes with marginal grades a second chance to achieve their dream of playing for a division 1 program. In exchange for that they give up one or two years of eligibility there. Seems fair to me.

I think you're focusing too much on academics here. Generally, the players that head to JUCOs, like Ines, didn't get recruited by the schools they wanted so they go to Junior Colleges to build up their reputation and earn credibility with 4 year institutions. JUCOs have divisions and tournaments similar to NCAA Div I thru III and coaches from 4 year schools flock to the tourney games to scout players.

Current rankings below. I believe Ines was headed to North Florida State College before Geno snagged her. JUCO games are shown on TV here in Florida - I watched the National Championship game a couple years ago. It's like an AA league to get to the AAA league before the pros.

Incidentally, players with poor grades don't go to JUCOs to improve them, they enroll in prep schools, some of which are factories for Division I schools (Montverde, IMG Academy among them). Those institutions are like A leagues and I've seen prep school teams that look better than some college teams.

NJCAA DI Women's Basketball Rankings

 

[oldude]

I think you're focusing too much on academics here. Generally, the players that head to JUCOs, like Ines, didn't get recruited by the schools they wanted so they go to Junior Colleges to build up their reputation and earn credibility with 4 year institutions. JUCOs have divisions and tournaments similar to NCAA Div I thru III and coaches from 4 year schools flock to the tourney games to scout players.

Current rankings below. I believe Ines was headed to North Florida State College before Geno snagged her. JUCO games are shown on TV here in Florida - I watched the National Championship game a couple years ago. It's like an AA league to get to the AAA league before the pros.

Incidentally, players with poor grades don't go to JUCOs to improve them, they enroll in prep schools, some of which are factories for Division I schools (Montverde, IMG Academy among them). Those institutions are like A leagues and I've seen prep school teams that look better than some college teams.

NJCAA DI Women's Basketball Rankings

I’m not sure about WBB, but for many years JUCO’s served as repositories for academically deficient athletes, particularly men’s football and basketball players. It wasn’t primarily about grades per se. In many cases, it has to do with deficient academic transcripts and low standardized test scores.

In order for an athlete to earn an athletic scholarship, they must meet certain academic qualifications which are a combination of grades, classes taken and test scores. Unfortunately, a number of high schools give passing grades to top athletes with little to no concern whether or not they are actually learning anything. In many instances, these HS athletes must go the JUCO route before they can qualify for a college scholarship.

 

[HuskyNan]

I’m not sure about WBB, but for many years JUCO’s served as repositories for academically deficient athletes, particularly men’s football and basketball players. It wasn’t primarily about grades per se. In many cases, it has to do with deficient academic transcripts and low standardized test scores.

In order for an athlete to earn an athletic scholarship, they must meet certain academic qualifications which are a combination of grades, classes taken and test scores. Unfortunately, a number of high schools give passing grades to top athletes with little to no concern whether or not they are actually learning anything. In many instances, these HS athletes must go the JUCO route before they can qualify for a college scholarship.

Understood. I felt the poster I was replying to was putting too much emphasis on the academic part and disagreed that those that go to a JUCO are basically gaming the system. There are actually many reasons to go JUCO, especially for foreign students that may need a year or two in the US to become proficient in English.

5 Key Benefits of Student-Athletes Going to an NJCAA School

Learn about some of the key benefits of playing and studying at an NJCAA two year community college rather than going straight to a 4 year school...

www.ussportsscholarships.com

 

[RockyMTblue2]

Seems like a strange ruling, but I'm all for it. Who knows the actual impact, but logic suggests it will strengthen WCBB and I am all for that.

 

[Majic Hands]

As I’m looking at this. Did a little reading.

Why hasn’t this always been the rule?

Ash gave up her Senior year at her Nobelsville High School and possibly another State Championship by transferring to a Prep School so she would become acclaimed to being away from home. (commitment)

This could be as beneficial if no more so than the NIL ruling.

I’m thinking this is great for junior colleges and student athletes, as well as 4 year institutions.

Hells Bells I like it.

 

[oldude]

As I’m looking at this. Did a little reading.

Why hasn’t this always been the rule?

Ash gave up her Senior year at her Nobelsville High School and possibly another State Championship by transferring to a Prep School so she would become acclaimed to being away from home. (commitment)

This could be as beneficial if no more so than the NIL ruling.

I’m thinking this is great for junior colleges and student athletes, as well as 4 year institutions.

Hells Bells I like it.

Keep in mind that prep schools and JUCO’s are different animals. Prep schools have always been viewed as high schools, even if a HS senior spends another year at a prep school to better prepare for college. Up until this recent ruling, JUCO’s have been viewed as colleges. So each year an athlete competes at a JUCO is one less year they can compete at a 4 year college.

 

[Majic Hands]

Keep in mind that prep schools and JUCO’s are different animals. Prep schools have always been viewed as high schools, even if a HS senior spends another year at a prep school to better prepare for college. Up until this recent ruling, JUCO’s have been viewed as colleges. So each year an athlete competes at a JUCO is one less year they can compete at a 4 year college.

Yes. I was simply providing an example of taking steps in preparing one’s self(Ash) for college. Going away from home was going to be a BIG personal adjustment. She went to a prep school a couple hours away from home to learn how to be away from home.

In that same vein.

I can see someone with offers from mid level universities and thinks she could get to a higher level university if she could fix her grades or her FG %.
Gets a two year degree knows how to go to college, improved her game and has 4 years of eligibility, 2 years of experience, as well as being 2 years older, to give to a higher level university.

There is a world of difference between a 18 year old and that same person at 20 years old. And being 24 when a Senior.

Winning! Winning!

 

[PhillyCoach]

Yes. I was simply providing an example of taking steps in preparing one’s self(Ash) for college. Going away from home was going to be a BIG personal adjustment. She went to a prep school a couple hours away from home to learn how to be away from home.

In that same vein.

I can see someone with offers from mid level universities and thinks she could get to a higher level university if she could fix her grades or her FG %.
Gets a two year degree knows how to go to college, improved her game and has 4 years of eligibility, 2 years of experience, as well as being 2 years older, to give to a higher level university.

There is a world of difference between a 18 year old and that same person at 20 years old. And being 24 when a Senior.

Winning! Winning!

I agree with Majic Hands! So many benefits for everybody. There is a simple answer to this dilemma---Why is this rule being changed and what gets accomplished? If you want to help the athletes (male and female) who are on the fringe of playing college ball (& there are thousands of them) then more will go to school and --as many have said--they will have the OPPORTUNITY to complete for one of those 15 roster spots with the extra year of development. And it is all based on MERIT. With NIL money, who is against Capitalism. This idea is also about freedom. The athletes are now reaping some financial benefits. The new eligibility helps everyone. As one poster mentioned -- Coaches are scouting the JUCO's now. They always have. Now there will be more quality players that can move up. Mid-Majors could always use a top JUCO recruit.

 

[Dogdude]

So if a kid graduates from high school at, say, 18, then does two years of Juco, then 4 years of college plus a potential redshirt year, and combing that with potential NIL money and the transfer portal, we now have professional collegiate players with little to no loyalty to anyone. I'm losing interest in college sports with all of this...

 

[HuskyNan]

I agree with Majic Hands! So many benefits for everybody. There is a simple answer to this dilemma---Why is this rule being changed and what gets accomplished? If you want to help the athletes (male and female) who are on the fringe of playing college ball (& there are thousands of them) then more will go to school and --as many have said--they will have the OPPORTUNITY to complete for one of those 15 roster spots with the extra year of development. And it is all based on MERIT. With NIL money, who is against Capitalism. This idea is also about freedom. The athletes are now reaping some financial benefits. The new eligibility helps everyone. As one poster mentioned -- Coaches are scouting the JUCO's now. They always have. Now there will be more quality players that can move up. Mid-Majors could always use a top JUCO recruit.

Geno had two JUCO players (Rashidat Sadiq and Tihana Abrlic) and there were times Geno bemoaned the fact he didn’t have enough time with them. Apparently they brought habits they picked up at the JUCO level that he would have liked them to refine or to lose. If he had 4 years with the uber-athletic Rashidat, she could have been an impact player

 

[Zinethar]

Where I coached we had a contact with a local JUCO that helped get athletes we were interested in to enroll there for a semester where if the completed it satisfactorily (got a 2.0) they then could get admitted at my school without any SAT issues that stopped them from getting in originally. BTW we never had one of the team members who went that route not graduate.