New Findings May Delay UNC's Response to NCAA Allegations [merged]

[msf22b]

Duh...U of North Carolina.
Isn't that scene juicy enough?
I'm tired of rehashing Penn State

 

[HoopsFan21]

Duh...U of North Carolina.
Isn't that scene juicy enough?
I'm tired of rehashing Penn State

Nothing's going to happen to UNC. At worst their WCBB program which sucked anyway gets slapped with some token sanctions so instead of winning all those NCAA titles, they go back to not winning anymore titles. At least the NCAA had the fortitude to go after Penn State, rightly or wrongly, but that NCAA doesn't work here anymore.

 

[VAUConnFan]

Nothing's going to happen to UNC. At worst their WCBB program which sucked anyway gets slapped with some token sanctions so instead of winning all those NCAA titles, they go back to not winning anymore titles. At least the NCAA had the fortitude to go after Penn State, rightly or wrongly, but that NCAA doesn't work here anymore.

A bit of an overstatement is it not?

 

[DarthGrumpy]

They hammered Penn State football, which produces more revenue than UNC football and basketball combined. And in that case, the NCAA didn't even have jurisdiction over the wrongdoing.

Emmert was trying to show everyone how big of a man he was with respect to Penn St, even if it meant ignoring the NCAA's own laws (not excusing what happened in Happy Valley at all). Now, he is fighting for his and the NCAA's survival. So, if allowing Syracuse & UNC to skate by improves his (most importantly) and the NCAA's chance to live, then that is exactly what will a happen.

 

[UcMiami]

Conehead - the problem with that is if they are not there to enforce rules, then what are they for? Football and men's basketball could easily set up competition committees to run their post seasons and leave the other sports to NCAA jurisdiction.

 

[CocoHusky]

Uncle on rehashing PSU! Can one of our accomplished moderators please get us back on track-actually talking about UNC.

 

[HoopsFan21]

Uncle on rehashing PSU! Can one of our accomplished moderators please get us back on track-actually talking about UNC.

Honestly what's there to talk about? If the NCAA doesn't want to do anything about UNC, then they don't want to do anything about UNC, and it's clear they don't want to do anything about UNC. Perhaps they are gun shy after the Miami and PSU fiascos. I don't have any particular hatred for UNC or things colored in light blue. The only thing that bothers me in this case is how the NCAA is hands off, but if UConn looks cross eyed at a recruit it's some kind of violation.

 

[VA Huskie]

I think anyone who believes the NCAA will do nothing more than slap some hands is nuts. I believe the penalties will include loss of scholarships, non eligibility for the postseason, etc. I'd be surprised if Sylvia survives.

 

[BroadwayVa]

There is no question (and I was an operational auditor when I worked) that controls, procedures, etc. that should have been in place at Penn State were not. Had they been in place, perhaps circumstances would have developed differently. The recommendations of the report, at least as much as I heard, seemed sound.

I think there is little question that things did not go as they should have at Penn State, and in a society that believes, at some level, in vengeance you get the Freeh report. If you investigate on-line you will find that indeed, some of Freeh's findings HAVE been called into question, and circumstances resemble Icebear's description. At issue (apparently) is that he was perhaps over-zealous in some of his investigation.

I don't doubt there were - as I noted in an earlier post - folks who did not behave as they ought to have, but as I understand it Freeh's report was purportedly colored by a preconception of the motivation for their behavior that may not have been valid.

All thing that happen criminal or otherwise are painted in the colors of the times they live in. Had this situation come to light say 20 years ago or maybe 20 years hence Penn St may not have been sanctioned. Criminal action, arrest, conviction incarceration may have been enough. I try to tell everyone ---history (his Story) depends upon who is writing it and you cannot judge people of the past using today's morals, values, technology, medicines, conveyances. Jefferson lived by the morals of his times, Gandhi lived by the morals of his times they should be just by their current value system.

http://www.sbnation.com/college-foo...paterno-family-freeh-report-outside-the-lines

Other major findings include:

• The allegation is false that Joe Paterno participated in a conspiracy to cover up Sandusky's actions because of a fear of bad publicity or for any other reason.
• There is no evidence to support the allegation that the football culture at Penn State was somehow to blame for Sandusky's crimes. Former Attorney General Dick Thornburgh says that including such a claim, with no factual basis to support it, undermines the credibility of the entire report.
• Freeh's failure to conduct interviews with most of the key witnesses is a glaring deficiency. In the 1998 incident, for example, Freeh's investigators failed to interview at least 14 of the most important witnesses, including Curley, Schultz, the District Attorney's office, the Department of Public Welfare and the University's police department or its outside legal counsel. This pattern was repeated in the 2001 review. Having never talked with these individuals, the Freeh report still claimed to know what they did and why they did it.
• Freeh investigators did not have subpoena power, and no one testified under oath. Worse, witnesses were allowed to speak anonymously, something that would never happen in a legitimate legal proceeding.
• The conspiracy claim made by the Freeh report based on a string of three emails falls apart under scrutiny. Because of a technology switch in 2004, most of the Penn State emails for the time in question are not accessible. Moreover, there are no emails authored by Joe Paterno and none that he received. In fact, the emails referenced by the Freeh report show that Joe Paterno knew few details about Sandusky, that he acted in good faith and that he did what he thought was right based on what he knew at the time.
• The validity and thoroughness of the Freeh report was oversold to the public, leading to the report being accepted in full and without review by The Board of Trustees and the NCAA.

For even better detail find Jim Clemente's and Dick Thornburg's full reports.

Lessons to be learned---The Media isn't about truth or facts--it's about selling AIR time. Ever notice that EVERYTHING is hyped.
Biggest storm of 50 years is on it's way---then you shovel the dust. They speak about the storm for a week. PaPa Joe saw it happen?? Papa Joe should have gone to the Administration with his suspicions!! If he was wrong--he'd be sued. And being old school he didn't stick his nose into anything not concerning himself---unless he saw it first hand and he didn't.

 

[HoopsFan21]

I think anyone who believes the NCAA will do nothing more than slap some hands is nuts. I believe the penalties will include loss of scholarships, non eligibility for the postseason, etc. I'd be surprised if Sylvia survives.

If all the NCAA does is crush a money losing sport like WCBB that no one cares about anyway, that to me is "doing nothing." At that point you might as well just give the archery team the death penalty. Sylvia wasn't exactly rolling in the championships while cheating, so it stands to reason that after the cheating and sanctions they will have won just as many titles. What the NCAA is likely to do is just drag this thing out until the story goes away, and then they'll quietly slap some very minor token penalties on all involved and announce it on a busy sports day or Friday afternoon in the summer when no one is paying attention.