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Icebear said:
Maybe the dumbest thing DiMauro ever wrote and that is tough to measure.
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He sure resonated with me a few times. ;^) You can tell he's from BCU though. Where are BCU's bowls going to be now?
 
Icebear said:
Maybe the dumbest thing DiMauro ever wrote and that is tough to measure.
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He needs to calm down. Dislike ND or not they are doing the exact same thing every single school that has switched conferences in the last 10yrs have done...looking out for their own best interests. They may have a few more bargaining chips, but that's what comes when your primary team has a high market value even without a high athletic value. That Yankee Stadium game is still in place with the ACC. If ND wants to play there again...they'd get the invitation before UConn or Rutgers.
 
Icebear said:
You are kidding, right?
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he must be kidding as i think they are all AA schools. anyways, i really did LOL when i read that. by the way, those speculating about the possibility of maryland getting poached by the B1G are not all wet. Maryland was one of only 2 schools to vote against raising the exit fee to $50 million...Florida State was the other.
 
ucbart said:
UCONN needs to go somewhere besides the sinking ship that is the Big East and fast. Sorry, but UCONN WBB already forced an entire conference to get better. In the era of the super conference, I don't even think one of the top two WCBB programs of all time can pull that off. UCONN, if it doesn't get out fast is going to have some major $$$ problems within it's athletic department, IMO. My first choice all along has been going to the ACC, but I think the Big 10 should be looked at as well. I know we are a WCBB board, but we are a big fish in a small pond that pours into a VERY LARGE lake. If UCONN doesn't get to a major power confernce, I fear in 10 years, UCONN could very well be fighting an uphill battle and nothing will ever be like it is now.
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UConn WBB is safe in any league and any conference. Heck it could go independent. That is the scope of what Geno has built. UConn WBB is like ND football, well except that it is actually successful. No worries for this board. Now, the rest of the althletic department...they've got a lot to be concerned about.
 
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CL82 said:
UConn WBB is safe in any league and any conference. Heck it could go independent. That is the scope of what Geno has built. UConn WBB is like ND football, well except that it is actually successful. No worries for this board. Now, the rest of the althletic department...they've got a lot to be concerned about.
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Until the WCBB program starts drawing a $15 million TV contract, it is NOTHING like ND football.


ND = NBC pays ~ $15m to air ~6 games/year
CT = SNY pays <$1.5 m to air ~20 games/ year
 
My apologies if this has been mentioned before (10 pages of posts is a little much for me to wade through), but does Calhoun's retirement affect UConn's chances of going to the ACC? IIRC, Boston College was the main obstacle to UConn getting in before, and I believe there was some bad blood between JC and someone at BC.
 
BC may not be the only stumbling block. Don't forget UConn was a part of the lawsuit against Miami, VT and BC. If Shalala is still in charge at Miami, don't expect them to be willing to forgive and forget. Now that DeFilippo has retired, BC may not be as stubborn in their refusal to consider UConn. Not sure VT has much bad blood for us.

I think the fact that there is a post-season ban for men's basketball due to academic issues could be a problem right now. Even though Jim Calhoun has retired, the ACC is a bit snobish about the academics of the institution in general and the athletics programs as well.

There are certain fan bases in the ACC that would go ballistic if UConn were to join. Specifically Georgia Tech. I check their football board periodically, and the last BE program they would want to join the ACC is UConn. Some of it is understandable, since UConn did beat them in men's basketball for the NC in 2004. But the intensity of some of their fans against UConn is a little baffling. They think UConn is pathetic in football, and that both Calhoun and Geno cheated their way to success.
 
hoopsdiva said:
My apologies if this has been mentioned before (10 pages of posts is a little much for me to wade through), but does Calhoun's retirement affect UConn's chances of going to the ACC? IIRC, Boston College was the main obstacle to UConn getting in before, and I believe there was some bad blood between JC and someone at BC.
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The biggest obstacle is that the big FB schools like Fla St & Clemson don't want to add another mediocre FB school. UConn FB is improving to be sure, but no one is going to say that adding UConn helps the ACC's football profile.
 
alexrgct said:
Or, instead of asking La Tech how it worked for them, you could maybe, you know, ask Geno. Or have you forgotten that for much of UConn's dominant run, the Big East absolutely sucked in WBB?

It is hilarious that you're bringing up a bunch of schools in the ACC that either a) are terrible (seriously, playing BC is going to be a draw for recruits?), or are b) teams UConn plays routinely and massacres routinely. Not to mention Baylor, Stanford, ND still in all likelihood, Penn State, A&M...I mean, have you seen our OOC schedule this season?

So basically, you're worrying about when Geno retires that we'll be in a crappy conference. Well, this is ridiculous to worry about given a) Geno isn't retiring anytime in the short or intermediate term, and b) that this conference will be "similar" to La Tech. Really? I wasn't aware that the Sun Belt conference had teams like Georgetown, St Johns, Louisville, Rutgers, and DePaul.

I mean, worry about whatever you want, but I'll be sleeping fine at night.
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Well, the issue is not how things are -- and I think you've done a reasonably accurate job of describing that -- but how they appear. And in the hyped up world that recruits live in, this change constitutes a not very good thing. It not only does not help UConn, it hurts UConn. Sure there are some crappy teams in the ACC. You mention BC. Well, put BC up against Seton Hall, for example, to name a crappy team in the Big East. BC, at least as now constituted, wins every time. I'm not saying the ACC is better top to bottom, but I have to believe a recruit will want to play NC, Duke, Md and some of those others rather than So. Fla., Villanova, PC and Seton Hall. And with teams scattered from here to West Armpit and back, I question whether the Big East will fall apart, anyway.
 
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Man-Man said:
Just heard on the radio that East Carolina, App State, JMU & Delaware have all inquired about replacing Notre Dame. The Big East will stay alive and well if on of them comes.
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C'mon folks. Please use emoticons to help us judge the sense of what you're saying. Here's a statement whose author must be making a joke, but I just cannot tell for sure. I mean, Appalachian State? Really?
 
Losing ND is one thing but overall the league is in for a lot of change. WVU is a pretty good program that is gone for the Big 12 and will be replaced by Temple. Temple could see improved recruiting now they are in a better conference and there is talent in Philly they could get. Then you add Central Florida, Houston, Memphis, SMU and that is where the talent dilution will come in. With more teams you are going to get less marquee matchups and the chances of a true home and home against a Louisville or Rutgers is hard to come by. The BE is a conference of change right now and even some of the long time members have some question marks.
Providence hired a new head coach and really they can't get any worse.
Georgetown hired a new head coach because their old one bolted for Auburn. On surface that doesn't look good when a good BE team loses a coach to an Auburn team that has struggled but Auburn has BCS football and $ while Georgetown does not. Georgetown hired a coach who on paper does not look that impressive with no head coaching experience ever.
St. John's lost KBA and replaced her just like Georgetown with an assistant without much head coaching experience. Providence should be improved but really I don't know if Georgetown and St. John's will be as good as they were the last few years and that could hurt the depth of the conference.
 
tomcat said:
C'mon folks. Please use emoticons to help us judge the sense of what you're saying. Here's a statement whose author must be making a joke, but I just cannot tell for sure. I mean, Appalachian State? Really?
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Some things are clearly funny/sarcastic. This made me laugh out loud. I think the emoticon would have spoiled the effect, like a stand-up laughing at his/her own joke, or something. Another subtlety of online communication.
 
UcMiami said:
Is it bad news for Uconn? Doesn't this make for an unbalanced basketball league? Are they looking for a second team? And does this move the Big 10 off their spot having lost the jewel they were hoping to get?
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There are a lot of assumptions being made about the B1G wanting Notre Dame so badly. When was the last time you read a report from a substantive source about them being courted by the B1G?

One of the B1G's absolute deal-breaker requirements is that all members must be a member of the Association of American Universities. Notre Dame is not a member.

This article from June 2010 generated when Nebraska was accepted into the B1G outlines things very well.

Here is a list of the Association of American Universities' members - membership in which is by invitation only.
 
LesMis89 said:
There are a lot of assumptions being made about the B1G wanting Notre Dame so badly.
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EVERY conference wants Notre Dame.
Some of them, however, would only take ND on an all-in basis.
 
Again, assumptions. Notre Dame doesn't meet one of the B1G's requirements - a substantive one. Could they join the Association of American Universities? I don't know. All I know is that they are not a member.

Could the B1G waive that requirement? They could. Would they waive that requirement? They never have. Notre Dame remains a legend in their own mind.
 
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LesMis89 said:
Again, assumptions. Notre Dame doesn't meet one of the B1G's requirements - a substantive one. Could they join the Association of American Universities? I don't know. All I know is that they are not a member.

Could the B1G waive that requirement? They could. Would they waive that requirement? They never have. Notre Dame remains a legend in their own mind.
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The Big 10 offered ND membership in the 90s, and ND declined.
 
LesMis89 said:
Again, assumptions. Notre Dame doesn't meet one of the B1G's requirements - a substantive one. Could they join the Association of American Universities? I don't know. All I know is that they are not a member.

Could the B1G waive that requirement? They could. Would they waive that requirement? They never have. Notre Dame remains a legend in their own mind.
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Didn't Nebraska get removed from the AAU? The AAU is about research... ND's not a research institution.
 
uconnfan68 said:
Didn't Nebraska get removed from the AAU? The AAU is about research... ND's not a research institution.
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Thanks for that catch. I knew Nebraska was a member of the AAU when they joined but hadn't realized they were removed in April 2011. Nebraska remains one of the best research schools out there for agriculture but clearly that didn't carry enough weight with the AAU.

Re: research reputations - it's interesting how perspective works. Nebraska's external research funding for 2008-2009 (last year I could find quickly) was $229. 4M (link). In FY 2011 Notre Dame's research funding 'topped the $100M mark for the second consecutive year...' (link)

But I digressed from the point I was trying to make in my original point on this thread (and perhaps that post was a clear as mud). My point is that the B1G wasn't actively pursuing Notre Dame when ND decided to join the ACC. So, ND's decision has no bearing on what moves the B1G makes in the future.
 
uconnfan68 said:
Didn't Nebraska get removed from the AAU? The AAU is about research... ND's not a research institution.
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Notre Dame has been awarded 44 NEH fellowships between 1999 and 2011—more than any other university in the country.
 
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http://articles.chicagotribune.com/...ska-chancellor-harvey-perlman-big-ten-members

An article from 2010 that mentions both UConn and Notre Dame with possible B1G invites. Notre Dame's invite wasn't contingent on AAU status because of other strengths. Did some brief research and it seems the push for ND to become a research institution is fairly recent around 2007. Plead some ignorance here but always assumed a medical school was something most AAU schools had in common that helps foster research departments. ND doesn't have a school of medicine of any form.
 
Princeton has no medical school.

Notre Dame is committed to becoming a great research university, and you will see major changes taking place now and in the future, in the sciences, the arts, and in the humanities.

See for example:

http://harpercancer.nd.edu/

Anyway, this is a digression, and I apologize.
 
How well did the ND WCBB fans travel to Hartford for the Big East tourneys?
 
doggydaddy said:
They don't have to travel. ND fans are everywhere, don't you know? Just ask them.
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I dont recall ever meeting any ND fans... and if I have, they didnt leave much of an impression on me. I guess I'll find out in a few years how many ND fans reside in the Piedmont of NC.
 
triaddukefan said:
I dont recall ever meeting any ND fans... and if I have, they didnt leave much of an impression on me. I guess I'll find out in a few years how many ND fans reside in the Piedmont of NC.
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They're the ones with their turned up pointy shoes.
 
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