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alexrgct said:
ODU's or La Tech's situation vs. UConn's are simply not analogous.
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Not entirely.

First, Geno _is_ going to retire at some point. If the BE becomes a 2nd tier conference, then UConn offers neither a great conference nor a hall-of-fame coach.

Second, part of the issue with being from a mid-major is money. The stronger conferences generate so much $$ , particularly in football, that upgrading facilities & paying lots for coaches becomes a drop in the bucket. Eventually, schools from smaller conferences can't keep up.

Men's basketball has started to come full circle -- Gonzaga has finally shown that a mid-major school can succeed on a long-term basis. But it's still very difficult.
 
Man-Man said:
I just had a scary thought, if the ACC doesn't take UConn what if they went after Geno? Is it a possibility that he might bolt to a better league and a pay bump? Talks of Calhoun retiring if Geno decided to bounce it would be an entirely new look on campus. Naw, not a chance Geno wouldn't leave, would he??? I would bet however that a couple ACC teams may test the waters.
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Not happening. At least for four years. He won't do any better than Stewart, Tuck, and Jefferson. And he is already the highest paid coach in WCBB. And a god in Connecticut.

Leave because ND left? Not happening.
 
Worrying about Geno retiring is kinda like worrying about the 2020 recruiting class.
 
Because of what ND did today, I hope Mercedes Russell chooses Louisville. Geno and staff need to see Louisville get stronger to have them replace ND as the National Televised Big East conference game. Otherwise I don't see any nationally televised Big East games. UConn will be nationally televised, but they will all be out of conference games.
 
When does it go into effect? Not this year, of course. Right?
 
Just got online for the first time today, and saw this news.....

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needless to say...... I will need a few moments to process this
 
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vowelguy said:
Not entirely.

First, Geno _is_ going to retire at some point. If the BE becomes a 2nd tier conference, then UConn offers neither a great conference nor a hall-of-fame coach.

Second, part of the issue with being from a mid-major is money. The stronger conferences generate so much $$ , particularly in football, that upgrading facilities & paying lots for coaches becomes a drop in the bucket. Eventually, schools from smaller conferences can't keep up.

Men's basketball has started to come full circle -- Gonzaga has finally shown that a mid-major school can succeed on a long-term basis. But it's still very difficult.
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You've quoted the first part of my post, but the rest of it pretty much agrees with you.
 
Man-Man said:
I just had a scary thought, if the ACC doesn't take UConn what if they went after Geno? Is it a possibility that he might bolt to a better league and a pay bump? Talks of Calhoun retiring if Geno decided to bounce it would be an entirely new look on campus. Naw, not a chance Geno wouldn't leave, would he??? I would bet however that a couple ACC teams may test the waters.
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Not following. Geno makes $1.6m or so annually and is going to sign a new contract in a year or so worth a lot more than that. Who exactly in the ACC is going to pay a WBB coach that kind of a salary?
 
Mixed feelings as a ND fan. It makes the most sense for what is most likely to happen at some point...ND joining a conference in football. There is an aging alumni base that would sooner close the school than join a conference, which is ridiculous. It has to seem more palatable to them to regain some traditional rivals in BC, Miami, etc. The B1G was never going to happen for numerous reasons. The landscape of the ACC seems to match ND more than large land grant schools of the B1G. The ACC is strong in Olympic sports that matter to ND like soccer and lacrosse and has zero impact on hockey.
As a ND women's basketball fan I'm not pleased at all. The first thought in my mind when I heard was "What about playing UConn?". McGraw was careful to acknowledge in her press statement today that ND had the BE and the rivalries (read UConn and UConn only) to thank for their progression in the sport. It still may turn out to be better for both schools. ND and UConn's recruiting classes this past year and upcoming years were still headed toward potentially 4 games a year. That's too much and too often. Think the days of home and homes against non-conference opponents are over, but if not that's one series I'd love to see.
 
Wbbfan1 said:
Because of what ND did today, I hope Mercedes Russell chooses Louisville. Geno and staff need to see Louisville get stronger to have them replace ND as the National Televised Big East conference game.
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There are regular rumors that Louisville is going to the Big12.
 
vowelguy said:
ACC will likely add one of the BE Catholics.

B10 knew it wasnt getting ND anytime soon. But it still could someday. This doesnt change much for them.
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Not likely, since we already did (Boston College).

Per insiders, the top candidates to be the 16th school in the ACC are Penn State, Rutgers, and UConn. There might be two, as the Big Ten is considering poaching Maryland.
 
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HGN said:
Sad news indeed.........What's so sad is that it's ALL about football , and ND is sending all of its sports programs to the ACC WITHOUT its football team. Obviously , the ACC is hoping that the football team will eventually follow the rest of the sports. It use to be about geographical location , but now its about the mighty $$Dollar of football.

I just hope UConn doesn't give in to temptation to follow suit and join the ACC. I love the BE vs ACC conference rivalry games. Love seeing UConn beat the likes of Duke , NC , and all the rest.
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No, what is truly sad is the multiple Big East Commissioners have been caught unprepared, first with BC, Miami, and VaTech leaving, then with Syracuse and Pitt leaving, and now with Notre Dame leaving. One would thing the Big East Commissioners would learn to be proactive, but no such luck.

And if you love the BE v. ACC conference rivalry games and reference UConn playing Duke, UNC, etc., why would you not want UConn to join the ACC?
 
I realize that Louisville is probably the next team to leave the Big East. However, as of today they're still in the Big East and want them to get stronger and worry about tomorrow.

Besides if Mercedes goes to Louisville, it means she doesn't to Tenn so its a win no matter what happens.

vowelguy said:
There are regular rumors that Louisville is going to the Big12.
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I retract my statement regarding the Big XII screwing the pooch. ND is demanding access to the ACC's bowls without being a member of that league. They made the same demand (apparently) of the Big XII.

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ACC's Notre Dame rules: Irish only need be w/i 1 win of an eligible ACC team to get picked over that ACC school..Ouch!
 
Wow! Huge news! On the national sports' websites, most people are remarking how insignificant this story is, as Notre Dame football isn't completely included in the deal, but as a WCBB fan, this is huge! For Notre Dame's WBB, it's fine, as the ACC has many good WBB teams, but it certainly sucks that ND will be losing its rivalry with UConn. Obviously this decision was not made with WCBB in mind, but Muffet cannot be happy with this news. There is no better measuring stick in WCBB than UConn, and now ND won't be in their 'qualifying heats.'

I wonder how Geno feels about this. On one hand, he has been very critical of ND for only partially joining the Big East, so he could be happy that their equivocation has ended. On the other hand, the BE just got weaker, as ND had been the 2nd best BE team in the 2000's, especially coming on strong recently. I hope UConn gets an ACC invitation, as that would clearly make the ACC the premiere WCBB conference. Shocking and sad news.
 
"while it is too early to speculate on what our schedule will look like in future seasons, we would eagerly entertain the opportunity to continue our longstanding rivalry with Connecticut on a non-conference basis." Muffet McGraw

That's good news!
 
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Forgive my bluntness... but Screw Notre Dame!

I hope that Dick Blumenthal is suing Notre Dame and the ACC like he did when BC left. Oh wait he is the senator now... well our new AG better sue. And Dannel Malloy should chime in too
 
Fightin Choke said:
"while it is too early to speculate on what our schedule will look like in future seasons, we would eagerly entertain the opportunity to continue our longstanding rivalry with Connecticut on a non-conference basis." Muffet McGraw

That's good news!
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I would not be surprised if Geno gave ND the cold shoulder. Not as a statement against Muffet but in light of his earlier comments regarding ND football failing to support the BE in a time of crisis.
 
UCONN needs to go somewhere besides the sinking ship that is the Big East and fast. Sorry, but UCONN WBB already forced an entire conference to get better. In the era of the super conference, I don't even think one of the top two WCBB programs of all time can pull that off. UCONN, if it doesn't get out fast is going to have some major $$$ problems within it's athletic department, IMO. My first choice all along has been going to the ACC, but I think the Big 10 should be looked at as well. I know we are a WCBB board, but we are a big fish in a small pond that pours into a VERY LARGE lake. If UCONN doesn't get to a major power confernce, I fear in 10 years, UCONN could very well be fighting an uphill battle and nothing will ever be like it is now.
 
CamrnCrz1974 said:
Not likely, since we already did (Boston College).

Per insiders, the top candidates to be the 16th school in the ACC are Penn State, Rutgers, and UConn. There might be two, as the Big Ten is considering poaching Maryland.
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That would be nice if true. I figured they'd want another non-FB so they'd have an even number of schools for BB, etc.
 
01Neaggrad02 said:
Forgive my bluntness... but Screw Notre Dame!

I hope that Dick Blumenthal is suing Notre Dame and the ACC like he did when BC left. Oh wait he is the senator now... well our new AG better sue. And Dannel Malloy should chime in too
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Sue for what?
 
I get that the BE looks like a bunch of morons, but what were they supposed to do? Teams have been jumping ship left and right. In hindsight, they should have said "screw the hoops schools. let's make the FB league stronger". but the Football schools apparently didn't push hard enough, or lacked the clout. The best case scenario would be for Maryland to get poached away from the ACC and have them need 2 schools. PSU never leaves the Big 10 (at least i don't think they do) so UCONN and RU to the ACC. L'ville to the Big 12 and the Big East renames their conference the Big Least.
 
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Just a comment on Big East commish current and previous - hard to blame them in the universe they occupy. The Big East in the modern CFB world of huge money TV contracts has been stuck in the unwieldy situation of having too many non-football schools with wildly different agendas to the football schools. Commissioners are only as strong as the individual members of their conferences allow them to be and the BE is so ununified as to be ungovernable. This conference was assembled for MCBB and as such (and for WCBB) it has been very successful, but this brave new world of the almighty football has doomed it.
I have no idea what the solution is but I cannot see 'BCS' football surviving in whatever patchwork conference it becomes. It has already become so geographically spread that it just doesn't make much sense. Revenue is going to go down and travel expenses will skyrocket. And any D1 football program is one phone call from another conference away from jumping ship.
Personally - I am a little surprised by the ACC move - seems they are buying a bunch of headaches for not a whole lot of gain. ND hasn't been a very good member of the BE and I doubt they will prove to be a great partner of the ACC schools either.
 
ucbart said:
UCONN needs to go somewhere besides the sinking ship that is the Big East and fast. Sorry, but UCONN WBB already forced an entire conference to get better. In the era of the super conference, I don't even think one of the top two WCBB programs of all time can pull that off. UCONN, if it doesn't get out fast is going to have some major $$$ problems within it's athletic department, IMO. My first choice all along has been going to the ACC, but I think the Big 10 should be looked at as well. I know we are a WCBB board, but we are a big fish in a small pond that pours into a VERY LARGE lake. If UCONN doesn't get to a major power confernce, I fear in 10 years, UCONN could very well be fighting an uphill battle and nothing will ever be like it is now.
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Uconn would jump into the ACC...but they still need an invite.
 
ericsandiego said:
PSU never leaves the Big 10 (at least i don't think they do)
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I agree.

Although the fact that football could probably go 4-4 in the ACC vs 1-7 in the Bg10 might be tempting....
 
UcMiami said:
Just a comment on Big East commish current and previous - hard to blame them in the universe they occupy. The Big East in the modern CFB world of huge money TV contracts has been stuck in the unwieldy situation of having too many non-football schools with wildly different agendas to the football schools. Commissioners are only as strong as the individual members of their conferences allow them to be and the BE is so ununified as to be ungovernable. This conference was assembled for MCBB and as such (and for WCBB) it has been very successful, but this brave new world of the almighty football has doomed it.
I have no idea what the solution is but I cannot see 'BCS' football surviving in whatever patchwork conference it becomes. It has already become so geographically spread that it just doesn't make much sense. Revenue is going to go down and travel expenses will skyrocket. And any D1 football program is one phone call from another conference away from jumping ship.
Personally - I am a little surprised by the ACC move - seems they are buying a bunch of headaches for not a whole lot of gain. ND hasn't been a very good member of the BE and I doubt they will prove to be a great partner of the ACC schools either.
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If your one and only criteria being to join the conference then ND hasn't been a good member. The catch is that ND never said or eluded to them becoming a member. The BE may have thought that would or could eventually happen, but it wasn't a term of the contract. ND was simply treated as the other 1/2 dozen non-football schools. They've done exactly as they've said they would do from the beginning. It was the BE that wanted to change the deal and/or expected more than ND ever said they would give. When that deal was made the BCS picture was much different. As far as fulfilling what they intended to do as olympic sport members of the BE ND has more than fulfilled expectations and has added to the BE. ND will fulfill it's agreement with the ACC of 5 games. If ND was as bad of a member as you suggests it's odd that they've had offers from nearly all conferences and would have been selected before any of the other recent defections if the conferences had their choice.
 
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