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Kibitzer said:
I think she is being disingenuous at best and deceitful at worst. She is locked into that ND arrogance that enabled them to join not one, but two, conferences (first Big East, now ACC) without including their football team. And Geno lambasted them publicly for that.

More recently, Muffet looked to the future and saw what Pat saw (when looking ahead) a few years ago: continued UConn dominance because Geno had her number.

Pat hid behind that phony NCAA complaint (through her AD) and the "Geno knows" line and now Muffet (through her AD) puts out that crap about how the demands of her ACC schedule prevent an OOC game vs. UConn.

Now McCallie is getting cold feet.

Give Tara credit. She'll bring her team east to play UConn and welcome them to California. Game On!
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Kib

I sincerely hope that is not the case.
In the short run no end to scheduling problems
 
Yeah, we are beggars until we get this miserable conference problem fixed. Too bad. The BEAST was so great. I lament its demise.
 
msf22b said:
Kib

I sincerely hope that is not the case.
In the short run no end to scheduling problems
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No end to the scheduling problems? What scheduling problems? Until I see the 2014-15 schedule and the OOC is an issue, I don't see the problem. And until I see a player say it was a big part of not choosing UConn, I don't see the issue at all. Not next year, or a few years after that.
 
I know we all like to think WCBB rules the roost and is the driving force in all ADs decisions, but I really do find the paranoia a little much here. As far as I can see most if not all scheduling decisions in WCBB come down to the personalities of the coaches and when things go south on the personal level they go south on the scheduling front. The idea of some grand conspiracy to freeze out Uconn by a conference or a conglomeration of top teams is a little crazy and ultimately meaningless. Uconn has generally had a good OOC, but I think the strength has fluctuated a bit based on the overall strength of the BE - when the BE was really strong the OOC tended to be weaker, when the BE waned the OOC improved. The last few years the BE was Uconn and ND and occasionally Louisville (thought they have not won a game against Uconn in twenty years.) so the OOC has been pretty strong. For any team in the ACC I can understand that in the next couple of years they are playing probably a minimum of 6 games against top 10 ranked teams in conference play - limiting their OOC strength of schedule to 3 or 4 other ranked teams is not unreasonable. And while Uconn will continue to be a top 3 team and maybe the top team, they also have rivalries with teams like TN, Stanford, Baylor, PSU, KY, OU, Cal, etc. So choosing to not play CT some years is not that surprising.
I honestly could care less if we play ND OOC in the next few years. There are some advantages to not playing teams that you are likely to meet again in the NCAA. Obviously we want some good games OOC but whether it is ND or KY or OU or PSU, or ... is not that big an issue for me.
 
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In Doggy I trust!
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UcMiami said:
I think there is a certain amount of shake-out going on with conference realignment that is messing with scheduling plans as the new conferences figure out exactly how they are scheduling their games - when they start, how many games, format of their tournament. And as for anyone planning on freezing out Uconn - just don't think that is on the cards unless more teams are planning on going the Baylor route with their OOC schedules, ducking any team ranked in the top 50.
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Excuse me, Bayor plays the number 1 and number 5 teams OOC. Those are the only two teams, but they did not duck "any team ranked in the top 50." The rest of the schedule is embarrassing, though.
 
As expected, a response from the Domers which completely contradicts what Deb Corum said. From Jim Fuller's blog: http://elmcitytoeaglevillenhr.blogspot.com/2013/12/notre-dames-response-on-playing-series.html

Notre Dame women's basketball sports information director Chris Masters sent out an email disputing that Notre Dame is not interested in setting up a non-conference series with UConn.

Here is what Masters had to say in the email

"The recent published reports that Notre Dame is not interested in playing Connecticut in the near future are completely false, extremely disappointing and, frankly, baffling. In fact, Notre Dame contacted Connecticut late last spring regarding a game in 2013-14, but Connecticut’s schedule was already complete. The parties agreed to resume scheduling discussions for future seasons. The recent reports were particularly disappointing in light of the fact that the coach responsible for Notre Dame’s scheduling had left a message for Connecticut’s scheduling administrator regarding a game in 2014-15 on November 25 – just seven days before the media reports regarding Notre Dame’s alleged lack of interest.
Notre Dame's position has never once changed —we want to play Connecticut and would enjoy the opportunity to continue our series next season and beyond. We believe it's in the best interest of college basketball fans everywhere that this series continue, and we remain hopeful that Connecticut will respond affirmatively to Notre Dame regarding our recent inquiry."

I'm not sure how you reconcile Deb Corum's statement (“I did reach out to them and they were not interested in playing us in the near future,”) with this account from ND's public relations guy. I know, "I left you a message" is sometimes akin to the check is in the mail, but someone is playing loose with the facts here.
 
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UConnCat said:
As expected, a response from the Domers which completely contradicts what Deb Corum said. From Jim Fuller's blog: http://elmcitytoeaglevillenhr.blogspot.com/2013/12/notre-dames-response-on-playing-series.html

Notre Dame women's basketball sports information director Chris Masters sent out an email disputing that Notre Dame is not interested in setting up a non-conference series with UConn.

Here is what Masters had to say in the email

"The recent published reports that Notre Dame is not interested in playing Connecticut in the near future are completely false, extremely disappointing and, frankly, baffling. In fact, Notre Dame contacted Connecticut late last spring regarding a game in 2013-14, but Connecticut’s schedule was already complete. The parties agreed to resume scheduling discussions for future seasons. The recent reports were particularly disappointing in light of the fact that the coach responsible for Notre Dame’s scheduling had left a message for Connecticut’s scheduling administrator regarding a game in 2014-15 on November 25 – just seven days before the media reports regarding Notre Dame’s alleged lack of interest.
Notre Dame's position has never once changed —we want to play Connecticut and would enjoy the opportunity to continue our series next season and beyond. We believe it's in the best interest of college basketball fans everywhere that this series continue, and we remain hopeful that Connecticut will respond affirmatively to Notre Dame regarding our recent inquiry."

I'm not sure how you reconcile Deb Corum's statement (“I did reach out to them and they were not interested in playing us in the near future,”) with this account from ND's public relations guy. I know, "I left you a message" is sometimes akin to the check is in the mail, but someone is playing loose with the facts here.
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Master's position statement above is consistent with everything we heard and believed leading up to the recent Corum statement. Right now it seems to me that the likely glitch is on UConn's side somehow. I would expect some type of "counter clarification" will be forthcoming from UConn soon.

And, I think that this is good news.
 
Whatever.... I still don't trust the the Golden Domer's. They have their own agenda.
 
Biff said:
Master's position statement above is consistent with everything we heard and believed leading up to the recent Corum statement. Right now it seems to me that the likely glitch is on UConn's side somehow. I would expect some type of "counter clarification" will be forthcoming from UConn soon.

And, I think that this is good news.
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The end result is good news but I wouldn't call this a glitch. It's one thing to say we're waiting to hear from ND on a game starting next year and quite another to say publicly that we heard from ND and they said no which is what Corum said. This is very strange. I'm sure Carl Adamec, who relied on Corum's statements for his reporting, finds it strange as well.
 
UConnCat said:
The end result is good news but I wouldn't call this a glitch. It's one thing to say we're waiting to hear from ND on a game starting next year and quite another to say publicly that we heard from ND and they said no which is what Corum said. This is very strange. I'm sure Carl Adamec, who relied on Corum's statements for his reporting, finds it strange as well.
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Carl's latest blog... He doesn't take a position.

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A case of World Class phone tag between the two schools.
 
the only way his statement can be read is that ND wants to renew the rivalry. he's quite emphatic. i expect the rivalry will be renewed unless...
 
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Sounds like the wrong people were involved in the attempted discussion. "The coach responsible" for ND's scheduling left a message for someone that coach regarded as UConn's "scheduling administrator." Doesn't say a message for Deb Corum ("senior administrator"). If it was, she seems to have missed it.

She in turn talked with someone at Notre Dame, unidentified. Apparently not the "coach responsible" who left the message expressing interest. Maybe someone who said "I don't know of any interest here in playing in the near future." Which could've been true. The person didn't know.

The timing is unclear, too. The message from ND was purportedly left a week before Ms. Corum's statement appeared in the press. It's unclear, however, when she talked to whomever. Maybe even before the message was left.

My takeaway is that Ms. Corum should've been real sure she'd talked to the right person at ND, and real sure of what that person was saying, before she went public. Although it could've been a two-sided mix-up, seems to me she's the primary one with some 'splainin' to do.

And yeah, looks like there's no reason things can't get back on track. Which is good.
 
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Is it possible for Geno and Muffet to talk?
 
UConnCat said:
I'm beginning to think there's something to this cynical theory. I've been reluctant to give in to my cynical voice but I'm at least willing to listen to it. Remember McCallie's comment about renewing the series with UConn: "We have to look into it," McCallie said. "I'm not entirely sure what the situation is with the conference UConn is now in. It's a new time now. But we are always interested in playing the best. We are interested, but let's let the season go through so we can see what eventually happens with all these new conferences."

I hope those who cover the game are paying attention.
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I believe your Cynical Voice is correct on this one unfortunately. The other top teams, especially in the ACC, now figure the way to bring down the Giant UConn is to starve the beast- pulling a George Washington and avoiding the battle. Hoping that the lack of access to the other great programs, and our being in the AAC, will help end the UConn dynasty, by slowing down our recruiting by our lack of high competition, and nationally televised games that goes with this. I think this backfired on Tenn, breaking off our games, but if enough programs decide to boycott us in essence- this could become a problem until we land in or develop a better quality conference schedule. The sooner we lock up future games with maybe many of the following teams like Kentucky, Louisville, Texas, Baylor, Penn State, MD, Ohio State, Oklahoma, Stamford, and maybe we move away from the ACC if this appears to be their stance. Locking in competitive teams in the future all over the country helps those teams recruit better and will only help their programs more- i would think!
 
JS said:
My takeaway is that Ms. Corum should've been real sure she'd talked to the right person at ND, and real sure of what that person was saying, before she went public. Although it could've been a two-sided mix-up, seems to me she's the primary one with some 'splainin' to do.
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I agree. I'm sure Carl Adamec will be first in line asking for an explanation.
 
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Why are some taking the position that the UConn representative didn't contact the right person at ND? Surely both schools know who the correct contact is to schedule a game. IMHO what has happened is that someone at ND expressed an opinion to Geno and others at UConn we're no longer interested in scheduling UConn. This has been known before ND made the alleged phone call. Its not in UConn's interest to make known to the media that ND doesn't want to play them, unless UConn had received that indication from ND.

Are we to believe that the first time ND contacted UConn in regards to scheduling a game in 2014/15 was on November 25th of this year. If you do, then I have a bridge to sell. I believe there have been on going discussions with ND about a game, and from UConn's perspective the talks were leading nowhere thus the impression, ND is not interested in playing the game. I'll give ND the benefit of the doubt that they never said we don't want to play UConn. However, their actions said otherwise. Lets face it a game between ND and UConn would also result in discussions with ESPN or another National Network to televise the game Nationally and no way would the first contact be on November 25th. I believe if there was a phone call on November 25th, then maybe it was an effort by ND to restart the talks about scheduling a game.

Both schools have laid down a gauntlet saying they want to play each other. Lets see if ESPN or CBS can get the schools together to get the game scheduled. They tried with the Lady Vols and it didn't work even though UConn was willing to play the game. Will History repeat itself. If it does, it won't be Geno's fault.


JS said:
Sounds like the wrong people were involved in the attempted discussion. "The coach responsible" for ND's scheduling left a message for someone that coach regarded as UConn's "scheduling administrator." Doesn't say a message for Deb Corum ("senior administrator"). If it was, she seems to have missed it.

She in turn talked with someone at Notre Dame, unidentified. Apparently not the "coach responsible" who left the message expressing interest. Maybe someone who said "I don't know of any interest here in playing in the near future." Which could've been true. The person didn't know.

The timing is unclear, too. The message from ND was purportedly left a week before Ms. Corum's statement appeared in the press. It's unclear, however, when she talked to whomever. Maybe even before the message was left.

My takeaway is that Ms. Corum shouldn've been real sure she'd talked to the right person at ND, and real sure of what that person was saying, before she went public. Although it could've been a two-sided mix-up, seems to me she's the primary one with some 'splainin' to do.

And yeah, looks like there's no reason things can't get back on track. Which is good.
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Wbbfan1 said:
Why are some taking the position that the UConn representative didn't contact the right person at ND? Surely both schools know who the correct contact is to schedule a game. IMHO what has happened is that someone at ND expressed an opinion to Geno and others at UConn we're no longer interested in scheduling UConn. This has been known before ND made the alleged phone call. Its not in UConn's interest to make known to the media that ND doesn't want to play them, unless UConn had received that indication from ND.

Are we to believe that the first time ND contacted UConn in regards to scheduling a game in 2014/15 was on November 25th of this year. If you do, then I have a bridge to sell. I believe there have been on going discussions with ND about a game, and from UConn's perspective the talks were leading nowhere thus the impression, ND is not interested in playing the game. I'll give ND the benefit of the doubt that they never said we don't want to play UConn. However, their actions said otherwise. Lets face it a game between ND and UConn would also result in discussions with ESPN or another National Network to televise the game Nationally and no way would the first contact be on November 25th. I believe if there was a phone call on November 25th, then maybe it was an effort by ND to restart the talks about scheduling a game.

Both schools have laid down a gauntlet saying they want to play each other. Lets see if ESPN or CBS can get the schools together to get the game scheduled. They tried with the Lady Vols and it didn't work even though UConn was willing to play the game. Will History repeat itself. If it does, it won't be Geno's fault.
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The AD of Notre Dame refused to say whether they would endorse UConn if UConn came up in the future for admission to the ACC. I would not give them the time of day. There are many other P5 schools that would be happy to play UConn.
 
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