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UConn will always suffer the slings and arrows of outrageous voting. Last year Baylor got one of the post-NC votes in the USA Today coaches poll to prevent a UConn sweep of the first place votes. Elon's Charlotte Smith still thought the Bears were the top team despite the Sweet 16 bow-out, and she could point to who had the best record instead of who won the NC. Most voters and fans did not agree with that reasoning.

Whether Smith is the culprit here is unknown, but they say some controversy can add spice to life. Eventually it will be just a trivia tidbit after the NC is settled.
 
DobbsRover2 said:
Um yeah, but wasn't it pretty close for ND when they were up by 2 points against MD with 40 seconds left, though they later doubled the margin to 4? And a 7 point win for the Irish over a Virginia team that lost to pretty awful teams like Pitt and BC sounds less than comfy and not really the mark of a team that's the best in the country. But we all see things different ways.
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I was just noting that the popular assumption in the BY seems to be that the Huskies blew away everyone. Baylor was not a blow-out. Simple fact.

Even DD agrees.

Bringing this up does not somehow imply that I think ND deserves that lone vote. I most certainly do not. How in hell did you read that into what I posted??
Bizarre.

I think the fact that every UConn game but one so far has been a total blowout is sufficient evidence the Huskies are tops, by 1,000 miles. Do we have to spin a fantasy (that every game was a blowout) too? Let's stick to facts, especially when they all favor UConn.

BTW, I think the prime reason Baylor was not a blowout was the unusually poor Huskies' accuracy on wide-open shots. Those nights happen, and they are the only way anyone can come close to beating the team, barring injury/illness/player suspension for bad behavior or the like. But horrendous shooting can infect even UConn. Remember the first half of the NC games vs. Stanford?

Whether it's possible for that kind of horrible shooting to arise in the tourney is the only possible drama regarding the outcome of this season.
 
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Somebody had to eventually give a vote to ND.........UConn has dominated the polls from wire-to-wire. The TV buffs ( ESPN ; CBS ; etc) need someone to watch the games coming up at conference tournament time. They want to create buzz for the big NCAA Tournament coming up.....One way to do that is to create controversy as to who is the real #1.
 
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PacoSwede said:
???

I was just noting that the popular assumption in the BY seems to be that the Huskies blew away everyone. Baylor was not a blow-out. Simple fact.

Even DD agrees.

Bringing this up does not somehow imply that I think ND deserves that lone vote. I most certainly do not. How in hell did you read that into what I posted??
Bizarre.

I think the fact that every UConn game but one so far has been a total blowout is sufficient evidence the Huskies are tops, by 1,000 miles. Do we have to spin a fantasy (that every game was a blowout) too? Let's stick to facts, especially when they all favor UConn.

BTW, I think the prime reason Baylor was not a blowout was the unusually poor Huskies' accuracy on wide-open shots. Those nights happen, and they are the only way anyone can come close to beating the team, barring injury/illness/player suspension for bad behavior or the like. But horrendous shooting can infect even UConn. Remember the first half of the NC games vs. Stanford?

Whether it's possible for that kind of horrible shooting to arise in the tourney is the only possible drama regarding the outcome of this season.
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Even DD agrees?.......lol.

I do agree about the Baylor game. Unusually bad shooting on open shots. It's the only reason it was close. That and Nina Davis.
 
PacoSwede said:
???

I was just noting that the popular assumption in the BY seems to be that the Huskies blew away everyone. Baylor was not a blow-out. Simple fact.

Even DD agrees.

Bringing this up does not somehow imply that I think ND deserves that lone vote. I most certainly do not. How in hell did you read that into what I posted??
Bizarre.

I think the fact that every UConn game but one so far has been a total blowout is sufficient evidence the Huskies are tops, by 1,000 miles.
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No it isn't bizarre. It is what happens on the internet (and in politics and a host of other places everyday). I don't know the word for it (if there is one), but this tendency to think there are only 2 possible opinions on any issue (top to bottom, right and wrong) without any variance in the details drives me nuts.

As to your blow-out comment, while it is a little general, it is exactly the reason I spoke about UConn as the #1 #1 seed in a different thread. Although, Notre Dame is extremely good.
 
KnightBridgeAZ said:
No it isn't bizarre. It is what happens on the internet (and in politics and a host of other places everyday). I don't know the word for it (if there is one), but this tendency to think there are only 2 possible opinions on any issue (top to bottom, right and wrong) without any variance in the details drives me nuts.

As to your blow-out comment, while it is a little general, it is exactly the reason I spoke about UConn as the #1 #1 seed in a different thread. Although, Notre Dame is extremely good.
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Ya lost me there, KB. Aren't there only two opinions on this discussion? Either ND deserved that vote or they didn't. What is the variance here?
 
HGN said:
Somebody had to eventually give a vote to ND....UConn has dominated the polls from wire-to-wire. The TV buffs ( ESPN ; CBS ; etc) need someone to watch the games coming up at conference tournament time. They want to create buzz for the big NCAA Tournament coming up.....One way to do that is to create controversy as to who is the real #1.
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I think you far overestimate the ability of the networks to create buzz about women's basketball and also the amount of controversy that matters to anyone about whether or not UConn or Notre Dame is #1.

I don't think creating a controversy between UConn and ND fans is important; they are both going to be watching. The rest of us, don't really deep down care. I'm pretty certain that is a fact.
 
Duke throttles Maryland by 20.... also beats a ranked NC State squad..... yet Maryland jumps them by beating an unranked Ga Tech squad. I know ND throttled us.... but still
 
doggydaddy said:
Ya lost me there, KB. Aren't there only two opinions on this discussion? Either ND deserved that vote or they didn't. What is the variance here?
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I was referring to the person who jumped on PacoSwede for commenting on the Baylor game as though that implied somehow that he was saying ND deserved the vote. That is, it is possible to believe that ND didn't deserve the vote and still proclaim that Baylor wasn't a blowout, or to simply claim that all games were blow-outs and thus ND didn't deserve the vote.
 
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KnightBridgeAZ said:
I was referring to the person who jumped on PacoSwede for commenting on the Baylor game as though that implied somehow that he was saying ND deserved the vote. That is, it is possible to believe that ND didn't deserve the vote and still proclaim that Baylor wasn't a blowout, or to simply claim that all games were blow-outs and thus ND didn't deserve the vote.
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My head is spinning.

I'm sure you had a good point.
 
KnightBridgeAZ said:
I was referring to the person who jumped on PacoSwede for commenting on the Baylor game as though that implied somehow that he was saying ND deserved the vote. That is, it is possible to believe that ND didn't deserve the vote and still proclaim that Baylor wasn't a blowout, or to simply claim that all games were blow-outs and thus ND didn't deserve the vote.
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Even so, as I watched the Baylor game they never really felt like a threat. That is strange for me because I often fret over close games.
 
I'm sure there are some that think the fans in this thread are twisting their panties about this and the ESPN "conspiracy".

Not really. It's just something to talk about.
 
All I know is that if a thread involves Notre Dame, A'ja Wilson, and an LV loss, it will inevitably expand out to 100+ posts and not be very fun.
 
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doggydaddy said:
Even DD agrees?..lol.

I do agree about the Baylor game. Unusually bad shooting on open shots. It's the only reason it was close. That and Nina Davis.
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Nina Davis is not going away.
I like her a lot, top player, too bad she's not here
 
PacoSwede said:
???

I was just noting that the popular assumption in the BY seems to be that the Huskies blew away everyone. Baylor was not a blow-out. Simple fact.

Even DD agrees.

Bringing this up does not somehow imply that I think ND deserves that lone vote. I most certainly do not. How in hell did you read that into what I posted??
Bizarre.

I think the fact that every UConn game but one so far has been a total blowout is sufficient evidence the Huskies are tops, by 1,000 miles. Do we have to spin a fantasy (that every game was a blowout) too? Let's stick to facts, especially when they all favor UConn.

BTW, I think the prime reason Baylor was not a blowout was the unusually poor Huskies' accuracy on wide-open shots. Those nights happen, and they are the only way anyone can come close to beating the team, barring injury/illness/player suspension for bad behavior or the like. But horrendous shooting can infect even UConn. Remember the first half of the NC games vs. Stanford?

Whether it's possible for that kind of horrible shooting to arise in the tourney is the only possible drama regarding the outcome of this season.
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Ah, fine then. You did not state in your previous post that you believed that the Huskies are 1000 miles better than ND (which is a lot more miles than even I would go), only that when ESD called the voter moronic and that UConn has won every game by double digits, you felt that the Baylor game still was close. I stupidly thought meant that you also disagreed with his displeasure about the vote even though ND has had even more much closer games. You see, I thought you had a point to make about UConn having a game that you thought was closer than the final score. My mistake, and how in hell did I think I had any reason for thinking that? Again, just stupid.

And yes good outside shooting can ebb and flow, but UConn's defense rarely is much affected. On April 6, 2010, the Huskies held a team to 20 points in the first half, 27 points in the second half, and 26% shooting for the game, and that's the biggest reason they won. The final margin was 6 points, but it was also at 13 points with 2 minutes to go. I'm not sure whether the comfort level is 6 points there or 13, but usually a win is a win, and a game is usually 40 minutes instead of 35, and therefore UConn won comfortably by double digits on the road against Baylor and not by 3 points. You play the game to the end.
 
j66kicker said:
At least one voter voted ND #7 too - that's even more ridiculous
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You interpreted it incorrectly. That 2/7 refers to Notre Dame's ranking on the season, not this poll. Notre Dame was ranked 7th in the preseason, and their highest overall ranking has been 2nd. And UConn has been ranked #1 in every poll this season (hence 1/1).

Also, if you look at the point differential this week between Notre Dame and UConn, you can see that the 30 points indicates ND received 1 first place vote and the rest seconds, with UConn receiving 31 first place votes and 1 second.
 
Fightin Choke said:
You interpreted it incorrectly. That 2/7 refers to Notre Dame's ranking on the season, not this poll. Notre Dame was ranked 7th in the preseason, and their highest overall ranking has been 2nd. And UConn has been ranked #1 in every poll this season (hence 1/1).

Also, if you look at the point differential this week between Notre Dame and UConn, you can see that the 30 points indicates ND received 1 first place vote and the rest seconds, with UConn receiving 31 first place votes and 1 second.
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Thanks for posting that. We went through this before in another thread.
 
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DobbsRover2 said:
Ah, fine then. You did not state in your previous post that you believed that the Huskies are 1000 miles better than ND (which is a lot more miles than even I would go), only that when ESD called the voter moronic and that UConn has won every game by double digits, you felt that the Baylor game still was close. I stupidly thought meant that you also disagreed with his displeasure about the vote even though ND has had even more much closer games. You see, I thought you had a point to make about UConn having a game that you thought was closer than the final score. My mistake, and how in hell did I think I had any reason for thinking that? Again, just stupid.

And yes good outside shooting can ebb and flow, but UConn's defense rarely is much affected. On April 6, 2010, the Huskies held a team to 20 points in the first half, 27 points in the second half, and 26% shooting for the game, and that's the biggest reason they won. The final margin was 6 points, but it was also at 13 points with 2 minutes to go. I'm not sure whether the comfort level is 6 points there or 13, but usually a win is a win, and a game is usually 40 minutes instead of 35, and therefore UConn won comfortably by double digits on the road against Baylor and not by 3 points. You play the game to the end.
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Yes, that was stupid, since I was responding to your post, not ESD's, whatever it said.

What's your point about erratic shooting? My point was that the only way UConn can be beaten is if it has one of those terrible shooting nights. Not that I expect it. And even should the rims not be kind, UConn would simply have to prevent the opponent from scoring more, as you point out. Bottom line: Huskies aren't going to be beaten this year as far as I can see. TonyC at his most optimistic has it right.

Re: beating Baylor by 3 points? Where did that come from? The game was not a blowout, even if the final margin was 11. Even, as some others have posted, it never felt like UConn was in danger. It simply was not a blowout. Why does that bother you so much?
 
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I wonder if one of the reporters will ask Geno about the poll after tonight's game and how he'll react.

If the situation were reversed and ND lost a #1 vote, Muffet would be all over it! Remember last year when a couple of voters didn't vote ND #1 after beating UConn she wanted to know who those voters were: "I'm over it now, but I'll be anxious to find out who voted us lower when they release the information at the end of the season."
 
PacoSwede said:
Yes, that was stupid, since I was responding to your post, not ESD's, whatever it said.

What's your point about erratic shooting? My point was that the only way UConn can be beaten is if it has one of those terrible shooting nights. Not that I expect it. And even should the rims not be kind, UConn would simply have to prevent the opponent from scoring more, as you point out. Bottom line: Huskies aren't going to be beaten this year as far as I can see. TonyC at his most optimistic has it right.

Re: beating Baylor by 3 points? Where did that come from? The game was not a blowout, even if the final margin was 11. Even, as some others have posted, it never felt like UConn was in danger. It simply was not a blowout. Why does that bother you so much?
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Especially stupid since it's a response to a response to a response. As far as I remember, the Baylor game was as first mentioned by ESD a double-digit win, as ESD said all the games had been. Whether you want to now to shift the the term to "blowout" as the measure of how impressively UConn has to win the double digit games on the road, well fine. I'm guessing that if Louisville had gone to Gampel and beaten UConn by 11 I would probably think the Huskies had been beaten pretty bad, but maybe not quite at "blowout" standard. Just really a bad double digit home loss.

As noted, the vagaries of 3-point shooting are a given for all teams who play opponents who give any kind of effort on defense. UConn can win a game 83-35 and still have a bad night from the perimeter. Sure, bad shooting can be a factor in a loss, as can throwing the ball away 25 times or getting crushed on the boards or giving up 96 points.

In the last five years UConn has won an NC when they shot 32%, and they lost games when they shot 46%. UConn is unbeaten going back many years when they have held the opponents to 56 or less points. So for you it is only a bad shooting night that can doom the Huskies, and for me it's bad defensive night when they give up too many points. But one thing we can agree on is that tonyc is ultimately the one to listen to, and even if he says that deadball rebounds is the key, I'll go with that.
 
DobbsRover2 said:
Ah, fine then. You did not state in your previous post that you believed that the Huskies are 1000 miles better than ND (which is a lot more miles than even I would go), only that when ESD called the voter moronic and that UConn has won every game by double digits, you felt that the Baylor game still was close. I stupidly thought meant that you also disagreed with his displeasure about the vote even though ND has had even more much closer games. You see, I thought you had a point to make about UConn having a game that you thought was closer than the final score. My mistake, and how in hell did I think I had any reason for thinking that? Again, just stupid.

And yes good outside shooting can ebb and flow, but UConn's defense rarely is much affected. On April 6, 2010, the Huskies held a team to 20 points in the first half, 27 points in the second half, and 26% shooting for the game, and that's the biggest reason they won. The final margin was 6 points, but it was also at 13 points with 2 minutes to go. I'm not sure whether the comfort level is 6 points there or 13, but usually a win is a win, and a game is usually 40 minutes instead of 35, and therefore UConn won comfortably by double digits on the road against Baylor and not by 3 points. You play the game to the end.
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Hmm -- someone makes a point or observation, then their post then gets either misrepresented or misunderstood (happens all the time). But then the replying poster lays on the faux sarcasm as if the other poster is really the stupid one (a bit less common). After which, a lot of extraneous info is thrown in for hand-waving purposes. All in lieu of, "My bad."

Where have I seen this before? Oh yeah, I remember now.
 
VAMike23 said:
Hmm -- someone makes a point or observation, then their post then gets either misrepresented or misunderstood (happens all the time). But then the replying poster lays on the faux sarcasm as if the other poster is really the stupid one (a bit less common). After which, a lot of extraneous info is thrown in for hand-waving purposes. All in lieu of, "My bad."
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Under your characterization of faux sarcasm, you forgot a couple throwaway lines:

"Just sayin'"

"Did I miss something?"​
 
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