ND & FSU injuries impact on bracket picks

[KnightBridgeAZ]

At no time would I wish any harm or be happy about a student athlete having an injury, even one from a university that I despise. I was talking about Ivey basically saying that they will not state if she will be able to play, knowing that she was most likely out for the season. It's just as bad as what Tara did years ago, so that Stanford got a 1 seed. Hopefully Utah State will have the same outcome as Harvard did in the 1998 tournament against Stanford.

Although, the disaster for Stanford was the 2nd injury, without time to recover. Baring a repeat second injury, Notre Dame should be fine against Utah State, like them or not Notre Dame wasn't a one player team, just she was the best player. However, their 2nd round matchup does take on a different look.

Yes, I always think this sort of thing is a bit slimy.

 

[MSGRET]

Although, the disaster for Stanford was the 2nd injury, without time to recover. Baring a repeat second injury, Notre Dame should be fine against Utah State, like them or not Notre Dame wasn't a one player team, just she was the best player. However, their 2nd round matchup does take on a different look.

Yes, I always think this sort of thing is a bit slimy.

If I remember correctly Mabrey and Miles are now out, which is almost a third of their made 3 pt shots, a combined 61 minutes a game and a combined 23.6 points a game. You are most likely correct, but one can hope can't they?

 

[Geew1992]

Baylor did the exact same thing with respect to Blackwell during the season. To this day, I don't believe her injury was fully disclosed. FSU and NC State didn't say much about Latson and Johnson either, so why is the focus solely on ND?

Sports teams of all stripes will keep injuries close to the vest. Hockey is notorious for using "undisclosed - choose section of body - injury" when reporting. NFL teams will deny media reports all the time even though one can see a player isn't right, like Matt Stafford of LA this year.

It's not that I'm a ND homer, but I find that we're painting ND with a brush that isn't being applied to all when they've done the same. I get that ND can be seen as a villain on this board, but they not doing anything different than what other teams would in the same situation.

NC State said Johnson is having ankle problems. Latson, no idea

 

[Geew1992]

It's odd that Coach says the exact nature of the injury is "undisclosed for her privacy" when it was already out there in sports online media... perhaps the media is speculating???
And, I would not be surprised by some Teams holding this kind of information from the public and Committee in order to get a better seed.... but now of course the lower seeds who will play them know they are missing their most important player and will increase their confidence for an upset.

I haven’t seen any speculation by the media. Everyone know she hurt her knee. No where gave I read what the injury is.

 

[KnightBridgeAZ]

If I remember correctly Mabrey and Miles are now out, which is almost a third of their made 3 pt shots, a combined 61 minutes a game and a combined 23.6 points a game. You are most likely correct, but one can hope can't they?

Yes, you can.

I'm just a stickler for realism. It has long been my experience that the game after an unexpected injury - essentially, the adjustment to playing without the injured player - is the hardest. Notre Dame has had plenty of time. Stanford didn't. Vanesssa Nygaard (torn ACL) went down in the final game (no PAC tourney in those days) and Kristen Folkl went down in practice during the week between the season end and the tourney start. And Harvard was probably under-seeded, as Allison Feaster, their best player, was the leading scorer in the nation.

I don't think any of the special circumstances apply in the first round - the opponent is no Harvard and Notre Dame is prepared. It is the 2nd round where they could see trouble, as they clearly are not the team they were with both Mabrey and Miles out.

 

[VA Huskie]

Baylor did the exact same thing with respect to Blackwell during the season. To this day, I don't believe her injury was fully disclosed. FSU and NC State didn't say much about Latson and Johnson either, so why is the focus solely on ND?

Sports teams of all stripes will keep injuries close to the vest. Hockey is notorious for using "undisclosed - choose section of body - injury" when reporting. NFL teams will deny media reports all the time even though one can see a player isn't right, like Matt Stafford of LA this year.

It's not that I'm a ND homer, but I find that we're painting ND with a brush that isn't being applied to all when they've done the same. I get that ND can be seen as a villain on this board, but they not doing anything different than what other teams would in the same situation.

Who said this thinking doesn’t apply to NC St and/or FSU? I think all teams don’t disclose what won’t help them.

 

[triaddukefan]

Baylor did the exact same thing with respect to Blackwell during the season. To this day, I don't believe her injury was fully disclosed. FSU and NC State didn't say much about Latson and Johnson either, so why is the focus solely on ND?

Sports teams of all stripes will keep injuries close to the vest. Hockey is notorious for using "undisclosed - choose section of body - injury" when reporting. NFL teams will deny media reports all the time even though one can see a player isn't right, like Matt Stafford of LA this year.

It's not that I'm a ND homer, but I find that we're painting ND with a brush that isn't being applied to all when they've done the same. I get that ND can be seen as a villain on this board, but they not doing anything different than what other teams would in the same situation.

 

[FormerCTrez]

Such heart breaking news about the injuries to these players. So I’m praying for their successful healing.
Also, prayers for my favorite team that they remain healthy, as they navigate their way to the sixth game of the tourney. Go UConn!

 

[hoopsnloops32]

You knew that she wasn't going to play after Ivey stated that they weren't going to comment on her injury. They wanted the highest seed they could get and host the the first and second round. They will most likely get past Southern Utah, but will most likely lose to the Creighton/Miss St winner.

To be fair anyone with two eyes and a brain knew she was done for the year. The committee should have proceeded as if she would remain unavailable with that non update from Ivey.

 

[cancontent]

Who said this thinking doesn’t apply to NC St and/or FSU? I think all teams don’t disclose what won’t help them.

Based on the tone of the thread, the focus has been on ND. That's what I'm basing my reply on.

 

[cancontent]

To be fair anyone with two eyes and a brain knew she was done for the year. The committee should have proceeded as if she would remain unavailable with that non update from Ivey.

Good point.

 

[Dillon77]

And here's an ESPN article on Diamond Johnson not playing this weekend.

NC State's Johnson out this weekend with injury

NC State point guard Diamond Johnson will miss the opening of the NCAA tournament because of injury, she announced Thursday night.

www.espn.com

 

[Fore!]

Watching the tape my guess would be ACL. That was my thought when I saw it happen and after watching the replays I was even more convinced. Hopefully I am not accurate and she will be as good as new when next season kicks off in November.

If she is expected to available for summer session, as was reported, it would seem as though it may not be an ACL or MCL. I’m neither a doctor nor someone who has stayed at a Holiday Inn Express, so I’m open to being enlightened on the subject; can someone be ready to go in 3 to 4 months?

 

[Dillon77]

If she is expected to available for summer session, as was reported, it would seem as though it may not be an ACL or MCL. I’m neither a doctor nor someone who has stayed at a Holiday Inn Express, so I’m open to being enlightened on the subject; can someone be ready to go in 3 to 4 months?

Well, if it's something like a medial meniscus tear that can be addressed with arthroscopic surgery, there's a possibility she could be ready for some kind of workout, albeit it might be more recuperative. But who knows what the surgeons might find.

I watched footage of 'Liv at the ND game today and she was pretty active, on her feet (not crutches or cane) but that does not parallel what may/may not be wrong. Hoping for the best...

 

[cancontent]

Already have ND losing in the 2nd round to Creighton

Well that ain't happening now. The match versus Miss State is going to be something though after seeing them last night.

 

[CB360]

Well that ain't happening now. The match versus Miss State is going to be something though after seeing them last night.

Yeah, who would have thought......... Oh well!

 

[Dillon77]

Well, two of the three ACC teams that had injuries to their leading scorers are out in the first round:

• FSU went down to Georgia without Ms. Latson.
• NC State, who besides not having Diamond Johnson, apparently only had 8 active players for their match against Princeton.

The Wolfpack had an 8-pt. lead but shot blanks the last 5+ minutes. Grace Stone sealed the deal for the Tigers with a 3 with 7 seconds remaining. Saniya Rivers had a decent all-round game filling in for Johnson, but the Wolfpack missed Diamond's ability to "go off" for a streak.

I'll be very intrigued to see the ND-MSU game. It's only the second time these programs have ever played. Completely different sets of players and head coaches, but Niele and Coach Owens were both there. I'm actually a bit concerned about this because MSU has a lot of pesky, fast guards and HC Sam Purcell is a Jeff Walz disciple. Will expect you'll see a lot of guard ball pressure on Sunday, a la Louisville's strategy in the ACC Tourney. On the other hand, can't see MSU hitting nearly 60% of their three's again: ND has very, tall rangy guards who will get in your face.

 

[Skeets]

Despite my intense dislike of the ND aurora, I wish no ill on Miles. What you are suggesting, while not out of the realm of possibility, sounds more like a conspiracy theory. There are very good reasons for awaiting. Surgery is always the last option. Plus, often there are pre-surgery things need to occur such as reducing swelling, etc. Then there is medical scheduling and maybe personal reasons for delaying having nothing to do with seeding.

And never forget UConn is undefeated against ND in football. They were scared to complete the home and home series. Shame! (That's my conspiracy theory.)

 

[Dillon77]

For her sake as a person and athlete, I hope it's the least complex of these in terms of rectification and recuperation (I also was thinking meniscus). As an Irish fan, ditto that thought. On her own, paired up with backcourt mate Sonia Citron and the other Irish, she's a special player and ingredient to the Irish mix. Can't wait to see how incoming frosh Hannah Hidalgo and Emma Risch mix with her. Go 'Liv!

 

[maple]

Well that ain't happening now. The match versus Miss State is going to be something though after seeing them last night.

I think Miss State is gonna go on a little run. Just a vibe. I wouldn’t be surprised if they upset ND.

 

[cancontent]

I think Miss State is gonna go on a little run. Just a vibe. I wouldn’t be surprised if they upset ND.

I'm getting the same vibe.

 

[Bigboote]

Younger athletes often have menisci repaired rather than snipped out. This is for two reasons. First, their healing processes are much better than those of older folks. Healing of a meniscus is still slow, but it happens. Also, the tear is often abrupt, so it can be stitched back together. When I've had surgeries, they've been due to cumulative damage, so there are frayed edges, tears that have worn, etc.

Also, of course, there's a much bigger implication to having 30% of your tissue cut away when it still needs to last 60 years.

 

[KY Card Fan]

I'm getting the same vibe.

Sam Purcell in Purcell Pavilion?

Why not?