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ND & FSU injuries impact on bracket picks

cancontent said:
Baylor did the exact same thing with respect to Blackwell during the season. To this day, I don't believe her injury was fully disclosed. FSU and NC State didn't say much about Latson and Johnson either, so why is the focus solely on ND?

Sports teams of all stripes will keep injuries close to the vest. Hockey is notorious for using "undisclosed - choose section of body - injury" when reporting. NFL teams will deny media reports all the time even though one can see a player isn't right, like Matt Stafford of LA this year.

It's not that I'm a ND homer, but I find that we're painting ND with a brush that isn't being applied to all when they've done the same. I get that ND can be seen as a villain on this board, but they not doing anything different than what other teams would in the same situation.
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Who said this thinking doesn’t apply to NC St and/or FSU? I think all teams don’t disclose what won’t help them.
 
cancontent said:
Baylor did the exact same thing with respect to Blackwell during the season. To this day, I don't believe her injury was fully disclosed. FSU and NC State didn't say much about Latson and Johnson either, so why is the focus solely on ND?

Sports teams of all stripes will keep injuries close to the vest. Hockey is notorious for using "undisclosed - choose section of body - injury" when reporting. NFL teams will deny media reports all the time even though one can see a player isn't right, like Matt Stafford of LA this year.

It's not that I'm a ND homer, but I find that we're painting ND with a brush that isn't being applied to all when they've done the same. I get that ND can be seen as a villain on this board, but they not doing anything different than what other teams would in the same situation.
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Such heart breaking news about the injuries to these players. So I’m praying for their successful healing.
Also, prayers for my favorite team that they remain healthy, as they navigate their way to the sixth game of the tourney. Go UConn!
 
MSGRET said:
You knew that she wasn't going to play after Ivey stated that they weren't going to comment on her injury. They wanted the highest seed they could get and host the the first and second round. They will most likely get past Southern Utah, but will most likely lose to the Creighton/Miss St winner.
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To be fair anyone with two eyes and a brain knew she was done for the year. The committee should have proceeded as if she would remain unavailable with that non update from Ivey.
 
VA Huskie said:
Who said this thinking doesn’t apply to NC St and/or FSU? I think all teams don’t disclose what won’t help them.
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Based on the tone of the thread, the focus has been on ND. That's what I'm basing my reply on.
 
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Rowdy831 said:
Watching the tape my guess would be ACL. That was my thought when I saw it happen and after watching the replays I was even more convinced. Hopefully I am not accurate and she will be as good as new when next season kicks off in November.
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If she is expected to available for summer session, as was reported, it would seem as though it may not be an ACL or MCL. I’m neither a doctor nor someone who has stayed at a Holiday Inn Express, so I’m open to being enlightened on the subject; can someone be ready to go in 3 to 4 months?
 
Fore! said:
If she is expected to available for summer session, as was reported, it would seem as though it may not be an ACL or MCL. I’m neither a doctor nor someone who has stayed at a Holiday Inn Express, so I’m open to being enlightened on the subject; can someone be ready to go in 3 to 4 months?
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Well, if it's something like a medial meniscus tear that can be addressed with arthroscopic surgery, there's a possibility she could be ready for some kind of workout, albeit it might be more recuperative. But who knows what the surgeons might find.

I watched footage of 'Liv at the ND game today and she was pretty active, on her feet (not crutches or cane) but that does not parallel what may/may not be wrong. Hoping for the best...
 
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CB360 said:
Already have ND losing in the 2nd round to Creighton :)
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Well that ain't happening now. The match versus Miss State is going to be something though after seeing them last night.
 
Well, two of the three ACC teams that had injuries to their leading scorers are out in the first round:
  • FSU went down to Georgia without Ms. Latson.
  • NC State, who besides not having Diamond Johnson, apparently only had 8 active players for their match against Princeton.
The Wolfpack had an 8-pt. lead but shot blanks the last 5+ minutes. Grace Stone sealed the deal for the Tigers with a 3 with 7 seconds remaining. Saniya Rivers had a decent all-round game filling in for Johnson, but the Wolfpack missed Diamond's ability to "go off" for a streak.

I'll be very intrigued to see the ND-MSU game. It's only the second time these programs have ever played. Completely different sets of players and head coaches, but Niele and Coach Owens were both there. I'm actually a bit concerned about this because MSU has a lot of pesky, fast guards and HC Sam Purcell is a Jeff Walz disciple. Will expect you'll see a lot of guard ball pressure on Sunday, a la Louisville's strategy in the ACC Tourney. On the other hand, can't see MSU hitting nearly 60% of their three's again: ND has very, tall rangy guards who will get in your face.
 
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CajunHusky said:
Do you think they talked Miles into delaying surgery three weeks to get the highest seed possible?
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Despite my intense dislike of the ND aurora, I wish no ill on Miles. What you are suggesting, while not out of the realm of possibility, sounds more like a conspiracy theory. There are very good reasons for awaiting. Surgery is always the last option. Plus, often there are pre-surgery things need to occur such as reducing swelling, etc. Then there is medical scheduling and maybe personal reasons for delaying having nothing to do with seeding.

And never forget UConn is undefeated against ND in football. They were scared to complete the home and home series. Shame! (That's my conspiracy theory.)
 
CajunHusky said:
Do you think they talked Miles into delaying surgery three weeks to get the highest seed possible?
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I offered only for consideration. Do I think they delayed the surgery for these reasons? NO!!!

I think I saw that they were hoping/ planning surgery in the next week or so and that they would have her back in the summer. I saw Miles at the Southern UTAH broadcast jumping up and down and hollering with the best of them.

If they are planning to have her back in two to three months that would seem to rule out an ACL. I believe normal return from an ACL is 9 to 12 months. A MCL doesn;t usually require surgery. Paige returned from tibial plateau surgery in three months BUT early symptoms are severe pain necessitating no weight bearing (crutches) neither of which Miles has exhibited. A meniscus surgery can be a two month return. And the pain can be transitory with certain movements which may be why they thought she might be able to return for NCAA.
 
CajunHusky said:
I offered only for consideration. Do I think they delayed the surgery for these reasons? NO!!!

I think I saw that they were hoping/ planning surgery in the next week or so and that they would have her back in the summer. I saw Miles at the Southern UTAH broadcast jumping up and down and hollering with the best of them.

If they are planning to have her back in two to three months that would seem to rule out an ACL. I believe normal return from an ACL is 9 to 12 months. A MCL doesn;t usually require surgery. Paige returned from tibial plateau surgery in three months BUT early symptoms are severe pain necessitating no weight bearing (crutches) neither of which Miles has exhibited. A meniscus surgery can be a two month return. And the pain can be transitory with certain movements which may be why they thought she might be able to return for NCAA.
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For her sake as a person and athlete, I hope it's the least complex of these in terms of rectification and recuperation (I also was thinking meniscus). As an Irish fan, ditto that thought. On her own, paired up with backcourt mate Sonia Citron and the other Irish, she's a special player and ingredient to the Irish mix. Can't wait to see how incoming frosh Hannah Hidalgo and Emma Risch mix with her. Go 'Liv!
 
Dillon77 said:
For her sake as a person and athlete, I hope it's the least complex of these in terms of rectification and recuperation (I also was thinking meniscus). As an Irish fan, ditto that thought. On her own, paired up with backcourt mate Sonia Citron and the other Irish, she's a special player and ingredient to the Irish mix. Can't wait to see how incoming frosh Hannah Hidalgo and Emma Risch mix with her. Go 'Liv!
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Probably one of the more significant implications of meniscus repair is that the surgery is essentially "shaving" the cartilage and removing torn material and free floating debris. As my ortho explained it to me is you have x amount of cartilage and after the surgery you have somewhat less that most probably lead to future issues. The goal is take away as little material as possible.
 
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CajunHusky said:
Probably one of the more significant implications of meniscus repair is that the surgery is essentially "shaving" the cartilage and removing torn material and free floating debris. As my ortho explained it to me is you have x amount of cartilage and after the surgery you have somewhat less that most probably lead to future issues. The goal is take away as little material as possible.
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Younger athletes often have menisci repaired rather than snipped out. This is for two reasons. First, their healing processes are much better than those of older folks. Healing of a meniscus is still slow, but it happens. Also, the tear is often abrupt, so it can be stitched back together. When I've had surgeries, they've been due to cumulative damage, so there are frayed edges, tears that have worn, etc.

Also, of course, there's a much bigger implication to having 30% of your tissue cut away when it still needs to last 60 years.
 
CajunHusky said:
Probably one of the more significant implications of meniscus repair is that the surgery is essentially "shaving" the cartilage and removing torn material and free floating debris. As my ortho explained it to me is you have x amount of cartilage and after the surgery you have somewhat less that most probably lead to future issues. The goal is take away as little material as possible.
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When I was 23, I had a torn medial meniscus prior to the advent of arthroscopic surgery and the debris was floating throughout my right knee. The Surgeon -- the head surgeon for an SEC football team -- took out the "floaters," but kept the shaving to a minimum. He gave me a list of exercises to build up all the small muscles around my knee to reduce strain and stress. I did them religiously.

My right knee has performed just fine over the years though double-digit number of marathons and half-marathons and regular basketball leagues that I still play in, right up to this morning (just got home). I've got to play a few less games than I used to and Monday's are guaranteed to be soreness. But I'm still chugging away, setting screens, grabbing rebounds, hitting a few jump hoots and taking flops the way Muffet taught me. ;) Call me a lucky one.
 
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Despite Notre Dame’s crushing loss of Miles, the only player on the team that makes everyone better, they are headed to the Sweet 16. Congratulations to coach Nielle Ivey and the team.
 
Frankus said:
Despite Notre Dame’s crushing loss of Miles, the only player on the team that makes everyone better, they are headed to the Sweet 16. Congratulations to coach Nielle Ivey and the team.
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It certainly wasn't pretty (see my comments on the other board's March 19th thread), but they got the W. Lauren Ebo and Maddy Westbeld were monsters on the boards with 18 and 15 rebounds, respectively, MSU lost the touch on the three's and Sonia Citron hit 10-14 FT's to seal the proverbial deal.

Now, just don't watch the tape!:D;)
 
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So proud of the ND team without Miles & Mabrey. They fought for that W! Now we got Maryland again. Let’s hope it’s not a blowout.
 
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I guess Niele and Tara are now on the same page when it comes to Jenna Brown.
 
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