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Stanford's guards were severely overmatched against UCONN. I am not sure that I saw the speed required to compete against UCONN, ND or Baylor and I didn't see anything that made me think it will improve by March. But who knows...could have just been one of those days.
 
UConnCat said:
You aren't seriously comparing Tenn's loss of Massengale with Stanford's loss of Green, are you?

The challenge for Stanford is that after the Tenn game it won't play another ranked opponent until the NCAAs. Tough to bring a young backcourt up to speed that way, not that Stanford can control the quality of its conference.
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no, neither team is crippled. TN still has a lot of guards and so do we. The skill of the guards is at question. I've watched Tara for 25 years. Her team will improve greatly by March, regardless of the conference we play in.

I've seen Green play before she tore her ACL in h.s and her Achilles this yr. She will be very good when healthy.
 
Why doesn't Stanford try to schedule some tougher teams in the middle of their conference games like UConn does? Duke, Oklahoma, UNC...those are all after Christmas. And with the Big East being strong, Uconn doesn't really even need to do that.

I understand that it's tough to schedule home and homes, blah blah blah, but surely most teams wouldn't object a winter trip to Palo Alto as much as they do to Storrs!
 
easttexastrash said:
Stanford's guards were severely overmatched against UCONN. I am not sure that I saw the speed required to compete against UCONN, ND or Baylor and I didn't see anything that made me think it will improve by March. But who knows...could have just been one of those days.
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Frosh guard Camp had a very good game. She and Orrange will improve more throughout the year, as will Kokenis. It's not speed as much as execution, cutting down on TOs and breaking the press. Speed can be overrated if you don't execute fundamentals and shoot the ball well. Look at A&M and Duke this year.
 
sarals24 said:
Why doesn't Stanford try to schedule some tougher teams in the middle of their conference games like UConn does? Duke, Oklahoma, UNC...those are all after Christmas. And with the Big East being strong, Uconn doesn't really even need to do that.

I understand that it's tough to schedule home and homes, blah blah blah, but surely most teams wouldn't object a winter trip to Palo Alto as much as they do to Storrs!
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Because we can't. We only have so many # of non games available because the Pac 10, now 12, is the ONLY conf. that plays each team twice and stupid conf. tourney. That equals 25 games!

We have had many yrs with great non conf schedules (TN, UConn, Duke, Depaul, Purdue, Okl, GA, etc).
 
cardfan said:
no, neither team is crippled. TN still has a lot of guards and so do we. The skill of the guards is at question. I've watched Tara for 25 years. Her team will improve greatly by March, regardless of the conference we play in.

I've seen Green play before she tore her ACL in h.s and her Achilles this yr. She will be very good when healthy.
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Forget the word "crippled." Believe what you want, but analyst after analyst has made the point that Tenn with Massengale in the lineup is better than Tenn without Massengale in the lineup. She may not be shooting the ball well (not currently needed by Tenn), but she has a fantastic A/TO ratio of 35:15 which is significantly better than any of her teammates. In fact, no other Tenn player has a positive A/TO ratio and no other Tenn player currently has more than 11 assists. Tenn is not the same team without her. I'm sure Green will be good despite not playing for 2 full years. But she's irrelevant to a discussion about the impact of the loss of Massengale. A comparable loss for Stanford would be Kokenis, but not Green. Somehow I believe that if the tables were turned and it was Stanford playing without its starting point guard (Kokenis), you'd be singing a much different tune.
 
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UConnCat said:
Forget the word "crippled." Believe what you want, but analyst after analyst has made the point that Tenn with Massengale in the lineup is better than Tenn without Massengale in the lineup. She may not be shooting the ball well (not currently needed by Tenn), but she has a fantastic A/TO ratio of 35:15 which is significantly better than any of her teammates. In fact, no other Tenn player has a positive A/TO ratio and no other Tenn player currently has more than 11 assists. Tenn is not the same team without her. I'm sure Green will be good despite not playing for 2 full years. But she's irrelevant to a discussion about the impact of the loss of Massengale. A comparable loss for Stanford would be Kokenis, but not Green. Somehow I believe that if the tables were turned and it was Stanford playing without its starting point guard (Kokenis), you'd be singing a much different tune.
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Of course I agree TN is better with Massengale in the line-up and have followed their stats. And no, I would not sing a different tune if Kokenis were hurt. We have other pgs, and some who may even be better than Kokenis over time. Had Green stayed healthy, she would have played vs. TN. Bball is about match-ups, and the even without Massengale, TN matches up well vs. Stanford. Simmons lit up us up last year and having Baugh back will certainly help. TN will be fine.
 
UConnCat said:
I'm basing my opinion on Mallory's play last year. Muffet has always talked about her as the team's best defender though maybe Diggins has surpassed her. I haven't seen enough of ND yet this year.
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Getting back to ND, for a second, this is from a recap of today's game:

"Brittany Rayburn, Purdue's leading scorer for the season, was held to four points on 1-for-7 shooting. She was ill and played just 24 minutes. Notre Dame defensive stopper Brittany Mallory handled her assignment.
"She's incredibly disciplined and determined," McGraw said. "She fights screens really well. We got some help at times when we needed it, but overall, she just guarded her one-on-one and did a really good job of taking away the three." "

Backing you up. I guess I am just too biased to objectively judge Mallory's defense, because she is not as gifted offensively as Diggins, Novasel, etc. I did not know Rayburn was ill... she looked fine to me.
 
speedoo said:
Getting back to ND, for a second, this is from a recap of today's game:

"Brittany Rayburn, Purdue's leading scorer for the season, was held to four points on 1-for-7 shooting. She was ill and played just 24 minutes. Notre Dame defensive stopper Brittany Mallory handled her assignment.
"She's incredibly disciplined and determined," McGraw said. "She fights screens really well. We got some help at times when we needed it, but overall, she just guarded her one-on-one and did a really good job of taking away the three." "

Backing you up. I guess I am just too biased to objectively judge Mallory's defense, because she is not as gifted offensively as Diggins, Novasel, etc. I did not know Rayburn was ill... she looked fine to me.
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Kaleena Mosqueda-Lewis, meet Brittany Mallory.

On offense, Mallory is pretty much a 3-point shooter and she shoots a pretty good %. She likes the corner. But you're correct, she is not as talented and versatile as Diggins, Novasel and McBride.
 
speedoo said:
Getting back to ND, for a second, this is from a recap of today's game:

"Brittany Rayburn, Purdue's leading scorer for the season, was held to four points on 1-for-7 shooting. She was ill and played just 24 minutes. Notre Dame defensive stopper Brittany Mallory handled her assignment.
"She's incredibly disciplined and determined," McGraw said. "She fights screens really well. We got some help at times when we needed it, but overall, she just guarded her one-on-one and did a really good job of taking away the three." "

Backing you up. I guess I am just too biased to objectively judge Mallory's defense, because she is not as gifted offensively as Diggins, Novasel, etc. I did not know Rayburn was ill... she looked fine to me.
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I love Mallory's game.
 
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UConnCat said:
Kaleena Mosqueda-Lewis, meet Brittany Mallory.

On offense, Mallory is pretty much a 3-point shooter and she shoots a pretty good %. She likes the corner. But you're correct, she is not as talented and versatile as Diggins, Novasel and McBride.
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About McBride... she has not impressed me so far. What am I missing?
 
speedoo said:
About McBride... she has not impressed me so far. What am I missing?
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McBride is a shooter! She didnt light it up today, but she can! I think ND will be tough this year. Those seniors are a talented group!

As far as Stanford goes, i never worry about the Cardinal! Tara always has her team ready to play.
 
speedoo said:
About McBride... she has not impressed me so far. What am I missing?
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She does a little bit of everything. She is the team's 3rd leading scorer (12 ppg), is shooting 51% on FGs, and is the 2nd leading rebounder. Her 3-point shooting is not as good as expected (~ 30%) but that's true of the entire ND team so far. She has good size and is a good athlete. She missed the 2nd half of the season last year so she's still rounding in to form. I think she's going to be a lot like Novosel before her career is over.
 
cardfan said:
:) and I bet a lot of money she'll play vs. Stanford.
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Who, Massengale? Impossible for her to play 10 days from now. She just had surgery and her left hand is in a cast and sling. They are saying she is out for 2 to 3 weeks, and my guess is they are being optimistic.
 
speedoo said:
Who, Massengale? Impossible for her to play 10 days from now. She just had surgery and her left hand is in a cast and sling. They are saying she is out for 2 to 3 weeks, and my guess is they are being optimistic.
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I didn't know she had surgery. I read the 2-3 week timeline right after it happened and thought there was a chance she could play vs. us. Hope she gets better soon.
 
cardfan said:
I didn't know she had surgery. I read the 2-3 week timeline right after it happened and thought there was a chance she could play vs. us. Hope she gets better soon.
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I should have taken your bet. Nothing like easy money.
 
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I was skeptical about ND, but am coming around. I think it is entirely possible that ND, UConn, and Baylor will lose only to each other. I had Baylor and UConn at the top. ND may be in their grouping. I'd put Stanford and Tennessee next, perhaps with Miami. Duke, Kentucky, Maryland, and TAMU are a notch farther down.
 
MilfordHusky said:
I was skeptical about ND, but am coming around. I think it is entirely possible that ND, UConn, and Baylor will lose only to each other. I had Baylor and UConn at the top. ND may be in their grouping. I'd put Stanford and Tennessee next, perhaps with Miami. Duke, Kentucky, Maryland, and TAMU are a notch farther down.
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We'll know a lot more about ND next weekend after they play Kentucky in South Bend. They will have revenge on their minds since Kentucky beat them at their place a year ago. If ND is as impressive against Kentucky as they were today, that will tell us a lot, no doubt about it.
 
UConnCat said:
Two questions for those of you who are watching:

Is Mallory defending Rayburn (for the most part)? (Mallory is ND's best defender)
Has Notre Dame played Peters and Achonwa together for many minutes in the game? (The UConn/ND matchups will be fascinating as both teams start with 4 guards)

Thanks.
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How is Mallory Notre Dame's best defender when Devereaux Peters is the reigning Big East Defensive Player of the Year?
 
VAUConnFan said:
How is Mallory Notre Dame's best deender when Devereaux Peters is the reigning Big East Defensive Player of the Year?
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Probably because Peters blocks many shots and Mallory does not. Same reason scoring is the biggest consideration ..... it's a statistic that's easy for the voters to look at, they don't even have to watch them play. But Peters also fouls a lot in big games as I recall, which puts her on the bench where she can't help her team. I don't think Mallory has that problem.
 
VAUConnFan said:
How is Mallory Notre Dame's best deender when Devereaux Peters is the reigning Big East Defensive Player of the Year?
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Can't answer that. I offered up my opinion and I value on-ball defenders more than help defenders. Actually, I think the award should have gone to Faris over both of them, but I'd pick Mallory over Peters.

Here's an article that discusses your question. As Muffet said, Mallory often guards the other team's best player regardless of position but of course she didn't say one deserved it over the other.

http://www.swishappeal.com/2011/3/8/2037388/2011-big-east-final-uconn-notre-dame
 
speedoo said:
Probably because Peters blocks many shots and Mallory does not. Same reason scoring is the biggest consideration ..... it's a statistic that's easy for the voters to look at, they don't even have to watch them play. But Peters also fouls a lot in big games as I recall, which puts her on the bench where she can't help her team. I don't think Mallory has that problem.
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When you more or less match the other contenders for the award in volume of steals, surpass them in rebounding, and totally blow them away in number of blocks there is no other choice. As mentioned, Peters put up these stats in self imposed limited play. She played about 300 less minutes than Faris. I expect a different result this year. Peters isn't likely to put up the same number of blocks. She's being reeled in to try to prevent fouls and preserve playing time.
 
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speedoo said:
Probably because Peters blocks many shots and Mallory does not. Same reason scoring is the biggest consideration ..... it's a statistic that's easy for the voters to look at, they don't even have to watch them play. But Peters also fouls a lot in big games as I recall, which puts her on the bench where she can't help her team. I don't think Mallory has that problem.
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The stats strongly support your assertion. Of 16 big games last year(UCLA, Kentucky, Baylor, Purdue, Gonzaga, UConn x 4, DePaul x 2, Utah, Temple, Oklahoma, Tennessee, and Texas A & M) Ms Peters was hit with two fouls within the first 6 minutes of 5 of those games, 2 of which was against UConn.
 
Kelly got robbed last year, in my opinion. Hopefully the committee makes up for it this year. The way she is playing she deserves to be All Big East and BE Defensive Player of the Year.
 
easttexastrash said:
Stanford's guards were severely overmatched against UCONN. I am not sure that I saw the speed required to compete against UCONN, ND or Baylor and I didn't see anything that made me think it will improve by March. But who knows...could have just been one of those days.
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speed isn't taught, you either are or aren't fast. You either are in track or you are not....

not all guards have to be fast, ball handling, passing, scoring 3s, and defense are important though.
 
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