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Message: [QUOTE="Sea Goat, post: 3943319, member: 3716"] Love your optimism - but unfortunately facts get in the way... 8 years in and we just haven't made the progress we should have. Imo, here's the difference. Ño slam on Cavanaugh, but we need to build a program, not be maintain one. Carvel played D - 1, had a cup of coffee in the pros, coached in NHL and was a D - 1 head coach. Cavanaugh played low end D - 3 and was an assistant to micromanager, Jerry York. Carvel gets it across the board - talent, matchups, motivation. As great a guy as Cavanaugh may be, he lacks the intangible to get kids to perform beyond their capabilities and to mesh with in a system that maximizes success with what you got not with what you would like to have... [/QUOTE]