NCAA proposing new college athletics subdivision rooted in direct athlete compensation

[ZooCougar]

So Charlie Baker revolutionary idea for the future of college athletics is to let the rich schools do what they want and make sure small schools can never compete in any sport? Truly enlightening

Has to do this or the P2 leaves the NCAA outright at some point.

 

[RSTuthill]

There is nothing about 50 percent in title ix. It's supposed to be proportional to enrollment

Well, unless FB is treated uniquely and is not included in the calculation, this will be almost impossible to do unless a lot of women get paid in non-revenue sports.

 

[huskymedic]

There is nothing about 50 percent in title ix. It's supposed to be proportional to enrollment

I get what you are saying. That was a quote taken from the article. I haven’t read the proposal yet to see if it was lazy writing or something else to be sure federal Title IX is met:

 

[Hamms30]

hey look.. a pin

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POP!!!!!!!!!

 

[FfldCntyFan]

Basically have to hope if we drop football we can hitch a ride in the B1G or SEC for basketball

Why would either conference want a partial member?

 

[JMick]

Why would either conference want a partial member?

"Hope" is doing a lot of heavy lifting in this instance

I could see a world where some basketball powers don't want the football investment but the SEC and B1G want the northeast market and their branding.

It's ridiculous but I'm imaging a scenario where us, Villanova, Georgetown & St Johns join the SEC as partial members so the SEC can get a foothold in B1G territory without the full investment.

 

[AZHuskiePop]

Why would either conference want a partial member

Because UConn will bring in more than it gets .

 

[huskymedic]

 

[rich1122]

I stopped watching Pro Sports. I don’t watch much college except UCONN. Getting to be so complicated that I’ll probably say F It.

 

[shizzle787]

Your last sentence is a huge point. Doubtful that all the Big East teams are going to opt in. Big East power conference no longer.

The only schools I could see potentially not opting in are Butler and DePaul. The original Big East schools, Marquette, Xavier, and Creighton will opt in. If some of them have to drop some sports to afford it, they will.

 

[shizzle787]

Exactly, opt-in or out-out.

 

[ZooCougar]

https://x.com/rltsports/status/1732114345243574358?s=46

This is the first move in a process where you will eventually see the Indianas, Purdues, Syracuses and Wake Forests get left in the dust.

 

[ZooCougar]

https://x.com/rltsports/status/1732114345243574358?s=46

This is the first move in a process where you will eventually see the Indianas, Purdues, Syracuses and Wake Forests get left in the dust

“This isn’t my execution, it’s a stay of execution, it really is!”

 

[UCHuskies08]

I knew NIL was the end. Oh well. There's always other hobbies.

 

[UCFBfan]

"Hope" is doing a lot of heavy lifting in this instance

I could see a world where some basketball powers don't want the football investment but the SEC and B1G want the northeast market and their branding.

It's ridiculous but I'm imaging a scenario where us, Villanova, Georgetown & St Johns join the SEC as partial members so the SEC can get a foothold in B1G territory without the full investment.

This is a good point. There is likely a chance the Northeast will not be part of this Superleague. Unless Syracuse and BC can figure out how to play with the rich boys. NYC will be gone because without the BE, no one cares about college hoops.

 

[Dizzy21]

I do wonder how many times we have to be rejected for people to understand that basketball is not taking us to the promised land...

 

[Skiblets]

So Charlie Baker revolutionary idea for the future of college athletics is to let the rich schools do what they want and make sure small schools can never compete in any sport? Truly enlightening

He’s only proposing what his bosses want. Gotta remember. The schools are the NCAA. He reports to the members

 

[WrenchFan69]

If UConn opts into this, I assume we're dropping football, a commensurate amount of women's sports, and possibly other men's sports to get to the minimum? And would the NCAA lower the minimum to support this? The numbers simply don't add up for anybody except the top 30 football programs in the country

 

[Patman]

He’s only proposing what his bosses want. Gotta remember. The schools are the NCAA. He reports to the members

this is likely a proposal they've been workshopping for awhile. My guess is they want to get this sanctioned by congress because what's really going to happen is the courts are going to whack them good and hard.

 

[Dizzy21]

If UConn opts into this, I assume we're dropping football, a commensurate amount of women's sports, and possibly other men's sports to get to the minimum? And would the NCAA lower the minimum to support this? The numbers simply don't add up for anybody except the top 30 football programs in the country

If we opt in, we are not cutting football. Men's and women's track and field will be cut first I assume. They already started cutting back on it this year. 120+ athletes, equal guys and girls. Not something that gets the University a ton of national attentional widely.

 

[JMick]

The numbers simply don't add up for anybody except the top 30 football programs in the country

Unfortunately, I think that's the point

 

[Skiblets]

Unfortunately, I think that's the point

This state will figure it out.

 

[WrenchFan69]

I don't know enough about Title IX. Can an exception be made that favors benefits over "equality?" If the option is women's athletes at 30 schools get paid but another 100 schools cut women's sports, that doesn't benefit women as a whole. And for the schools opting out, the women who would have competed at the D1 level are now competing at a lower level of competition inherently. That's a raw deal for every women's athlete except for those at schools with big football money

 

[WrenchFan69]

If we opt in, we are not cutting football. Men's and women's track and field will be cut first I assume. They already started cutting back on it this year. 120+ athletes, equal guys and girls. Not something that gets the University a ton of national attentional widely.

Can we cut women's track without cutting football? We are essentially at the minimum of women's scholarships to match football as it is. Men's track probably gets what 10-15 total scholarships to split up? Maybe that's enough to cut women's tennis in matching scholarships.

I think we're more likely to opt out if we're keeping football.

 

[ZooCougar]

If UConn opts into this, I assume we're dropping football, a commensurate amount of women's sports, and possibly other men's sports to get to the minimum? And would the NCAA lower the minimum to support this? The numbers simply don't add up for anybody except the top 30 football programs in the country

You came to the right conclusion in here.

This proposal is designed to eliminate all but about 30 of FBS programs from the highest level.

If too many schools opt in they will just raise the spending requirements.

 

[JMick]

If we opt in, we are not cutting football.

Where are we going to play? Who are we going to play against?

 

[MilliniumPrince]

The next step in the March to the Blessed 68 or 70. The breakaway will happen sooner than I thought.

 

[Kolumbo]

This is a good point. There is likely a chance the Northeast will not be part of this Superleague. Unless Syracuse and BC can figure out how to play with the rich boys. NYC will be gone because without the BE, no one cares about college hoops.

Since it's no longer college ball, a sort of merger to compete nationally. UConn, UMass, maybe Syracuse. With all of the pro teams around, the northeast has to have more than 1 minor league team in Penn State. They can rotate home games between Gillette, Yankee Stadium and The Rent!

 

[jdb50]

How the heck do MAC schools keep up with this change? It also makes our independent status a real drawback. Need TV money to keep up.

 

[shizzle787]

The next step in the March to the Blessed 68 or 70. The breakaway will happen sooner than I thought.

There is not going to be a breakaway. If these schools leave the NCAA, the won't have the 1,100-school legal liability shield. That means if they get sued, they can't spread the settlement around 1,100 ways.