NCAA may delay academic changes to give black schools more time

[CL82]

Emmert is either daring us to sue him, or he's going to relent on using current APR data. His position is too inconsistent to be sustainable.

 

[uconnfan68]

Emmert is either daring us to sue him, or he's going to relent on using current APR data. His position is too inconsistent to be sustainable.

Cage match. Emmert vs. JC. JC gets to sub in KFree. After all, he is a coach.

 

[willie99]

Emmert's email address : memmert@ncaa.org

Just saying....

I have sent him an e-mail. I hope many others do likewise

 

[sammydabiz]

I have sent him an e-mail. I hope many others do likewise

If he doesn't read his emails, maybe he'll read some letters at home:

Mark Emmert
808 36th Ave E
Seattle, WA 98112

 

[jorge34]

This "low resource" argument may work when discussing an inner city high school or something...but a college?

Give me a break.

 

[HuskyBballFan]

I'd love to see some data showing the transfer and early entry rates at the "lower resource" schools compared to the "higher resource" schools.

 

[upstater]

This "low resource" argument may work when discussing an inner city high school or something...but a college?

Give me a break.

Inner city high schools have 2x as much money per student as some of the colleges in question.

Sad but true.

 

[hungry husky]

Kevin Duffy: NCAA adopts flexible APR transition for low-resource schools, spokesperson says

 

[uconnbill]

I just despise double standards and that is what the NCAA is using in giving some colleges a break on their APR and others ie: UConn gets the shaft

 

[sledog]

Let's cut to the chase with the lawsuit. What's Herbst eMail address??

 

[UCFBfan]

I'm speechless by this ! I didn't think we had a case until right now. The fact that they are picking and choosing is mind boggling!!

Props to Jay Bilas for calling out the NCAA, AGAIN! I love that man! Calls it as he sees it.

Screw the NCAA.....get those lawyers on the phone....then again, the damage has already been done.....

 

[Chief00]

I feel like Will Ferrell's character in Zoolander, "Am I taking crazy pills." This has been insane from the start and just keeps getting crazier and more obvious that the NCAA has a vendetta against us. I've been banging my head against the wall for awhile now wondering why we don't sue. What's to stop the NCAA from creating another rule just to screw with our program? We need to take our case to the public and sue their asses.

SuperJohn - You nailed it. People used to think I believed in black helicopters etc....saying what is consenus now - yes Mark Emmert has a huge vendetta against UConn and particularly Jim Calhoun. They hate each other, and that's using very mild language.

 

[MattMang23]

Let's cut to the chase with the lawsuit. What's Herbst eMail address??

Susan.Herbst@UConn.edu

She answered me through this account when I emailed her in September so I can verify that it's legit.

 

[selles]

I'm speechless by this ! I didn't think we had a case until right now. The fact that they are picking and choosing is mind boggling!!

Props to Jay Bilas for calling out the NCAA, AGAIN! I love that man! Calls it as he sees it.

Screw the NCAA.....get those lawyers on the phone....then again, the damage has already been done.....

We can't sue the NCAA because that would make us untouchable by any other conference. I don't live in Connecticut anymore, but this is an issue Connecticut voters need to think about before they vote anymore stuffed shirts into office (or higher office). Because this would not be happening if Chris Dodd were still relevant. Legislative pressure is how you impact the NCAA.

 

[AJC88]

We can't sue the NCAA because that would make us untouchable by any other conference. I don't live in Connecticut anymore, but this is an issue Connecticut voters need to think about before they vote anymore stuffed shirts into office (or higher office). Because this would not be happening if Chris Dodd were still relevant. Legislative pressure is how you impact the NCAA.

THANK YOU. What do we win by suing? Monetary damages? At what cost? Players have already left, suing does UConn no good. As you said, legislative pressure is the key here, not another lawsuit.

 

[sparky]

We are screwed.

 

[Uconn77Duke74]

School should set up a "donor" fund with the specific purpose of pursuing litigation on this matter.

 

[DogMania]

I've said this all along. Some folks at the NCAA are bent on punishing UConn. The NCAA is going to wait till the last possible moment, when all the undeclared 2012 recruits are all spoken for, before either granting UConn a waiver or decide to include the must current APR scores.

Maybe I'm wrong and they are going to stick to their guns till the end, but I would think they don't want to get into an ugly court battle that would paint them in a bad light. Even if UConn took file in court right now, they would probably stay the course but then once most or all the legit D1 recruits are off the board, do something that gets UConn eligible for the tournament next, but by then the damage would be already done, if not done so already. If they were to take such action even after some litigation has begun, it would probably be thrown out of court since the issue at hand, would seem to be resolved.

Now with that said, I do wonder if UConn or someone who represents the student athletes could draw up a complaint against the NCAA for other types of damages; financial, reputation, etc. One could try to make a case that the NCAA singled them out and even though let them in the tourney in the end, that their actions resulted in players transferring, leaving early to the NBA, and 2012 recruits being scared away, as well as impact on future recruiting that all impact success on the court which impacts ticket sales, regular season TV opportunities/money and post season tournament opportunities/money. From the players stand point, they can argue that they met their academic responsibilities but that the NCAA's actions impacted their reputation and earning potential for some of the same reasons mentioned above.

Think about it! If the NCAA really wanted to be fair while still sending a message that they are serious about the APR, they could have easily made a decision many months ago and said that they would grant waivers to programs that showed significant progress by putting up qualifying scores for the 2010-11 and the 2011-12 academic years, when they would become available. The only reason I can see why they are taking this position is there are people within that organization that want to hurt UConn. What else could it be. What fair and reasonable person would want to punish some individuals (players) who have done no wrong and a program that has done the right things for two years running? Even as bad as our legal system is at times, they have built in leniency for those who show recent good behavior. What they don't do, is add to the punishment after they've already sentenced the guilty, something the NCAA is doing to UConn in this instance.

As p*ssed off as I am, I do find it interesting how this will all play out. One thing is for sure, I won't be happy if UConn doesn't go down without a fight. My preference is for the NCAA to make UConn eligible ASAP and as a result the program adding a few surprise quality 2012 recruits, but I doubt any of us believe that will happen. If a couple months from now, the NCAA lets us in the tourney, and no one takes the NCAA to court, I still won't be happy, because the damage will have already have been done. As it stands now, it's probably already too late, in that the likelihood that the staff will be able to bring in any recruits of significance is remote at best.

 

[geordi]

THANK YOU. What do we win by suing? Monetary damages? At what cost? Players have already left, suing does UConn no good. As you said, legislative pressure is the key here, not another lawsuit.

Absolutely. The only thing we might "win" from a law suit is an injunction to allow us to play in the tournaments next year. There is plenty of time between now and then to overturn the injunction. Even if we were successful in a lawsuit, the venom at the NCAA would be such that they'd be looking at every piece of paper and monitoring every phone call that comes out of the university so they could evoke the death penalty over evan a minor infraction. At this point, it's best to let it ride. We've missed the tournaments before and it hasn't hurt the program.

 

[MattMang23]

With all this talk of injunctions and the like to allow us to play in next year's tournament, I think it's important to remember that making the tournament-other than by winning your conference tournament- is a completely subjective process whereby you have to be selected to compete. Selected by whom? The NCAA.

Who's to say that even if we won an injunction and went, say, 19-13 and failed to win the conference tournament, putting us squarely on the bubble that the NCAA would even select us.

All they'd have to say is other teams were better options to select. And then what's a congressional inquiry or lawsuit going to do? Force the NCAA to legally defend a team's inclusion or snub from the tourney? Not gonna happen. The only way we get in this year is if the rule changes, and even then the NCAA has the right to snub us well... Just because.

 

[specialisthusky]

With all this talk of injunctions and the like to allow us to play in next year's tournament, I think it's important to remember that making the tournament-other than by winning your conference tournament- is a completely subjective process whereby you have to be selected to compete. Selected by whom? The NCAA.

Who's to say that even if we won an injunction and went, say, 19-13 and failed to win the conference tournament, putting us squarely on the bubble that the NCAA would even select us.

All they'd have to say is other teams were better options to select. And then what's a congressional inquiry or lawsuit going to do? Force the NCAA to legally defend a team's inclusion or snub from the tourney? Not gonna happen. The only way we get in this year is if the rule changes, and even then the NCAA has the right to snub us well... Just because.

atleast an injunction would allow the huskies one last chance to wipe the orange off the floor in the Big East Tourney.

Can we just dream a bit better and attempt to take down the NCAA once and for all though?

 

[DogMania]

atleast an injunction would allow the huskies one last chance to wipe the orange off the floor in the Big East Tourney.

Can we just dream a bit better and attempt to take down the NCAA once and for all though?

Since an NCAA tourney ban means a BET ban as well. Although getting one of those 68 NCAA spots is never guaranteed, getting at least one BET game is. IMO, it's the combination of neither tournament and the stigma that comes with it that hurts the program, particularly with recruiting.

As I said before, much of the damage is already done, and give it another month or so with no post season hanging over our heads, and the impact on recruiting could already hit its max.

For example Bradley Hayes was quoted that the ban was not a big deal, and now as it stands he has canceled his visit. If not for this issue and the uncertainty of JC returning or not, UConn would be landing a player like Bradley Hayes considering who we're competing against for him.

It looks like we're going to have to continue to take our lumps and hope we come out okay on the other end under the leadership of some new head coach. I just hope we don't end up like SJU and Georgetown when they lost their long standing coaches. It took a while for the Hoyas to recover and SJU has never really been the same. I fear that instead of JC leaving on a high not with the cupboards full, he might end up leaving with the program in shambles or at least not riding atop the big east which where we've been throughout most of the past 2 decades.

 

[Inyatkin]

It's the stigma, plus the fact that every time we're mentioned on a national broadcast, every halftime show or wrap-up or whatever, they'll be some "UConn is banned for bad grades" or something. I'm already gritting my teeth for it.

 

[Chief00]

Emmert cut this deal a long time ago to get the APR Post Season ban. Since you can't distinguish between the athletes racial/economic backgrounds between UC and the Black colleges he focuses on this pseudo resource issue - a true phony to the bone bureaucrat. What's amazing is that this old news is finally hitting the media when we have been discussing this backroom deal for months.