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We know that KO is a great in-game coach (adjustments against Florida, for example), but he's also shown that he's a great recruiter. Of the players mentioned above, he is responsible for bringing in Brimah, DHam, Sam Cassell, and Purvis.

Furthermore, in the case of Brimah, he's showing that he can develop a player, just like his hall-of-fame mentor, Jim Calhoun.
 
UcannUconn said:
Yea it's a little disconcerting. I was hoping to have the "Facey is the most improved player on the team" reports by now.
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I think Facey is on a trajectory much like Nolan's. Kelis Fisher should be much improved by the end of this year but will still need to get stronger to have a bigger impact. I expect him to be really solid by his junior year.
 
imno1 said:
I think Facey is on a trajectory much like Nolan's. Kelis Fisher should be much improved by the end of this year but will still need to get stronger to have a bigger impact. I expect him to be really solid by his junior year.
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It seems like Facey has a higher level of skill and athleticism than Nolan, where Nolan has the advantage in body composition.
 
imno1 said:
I think Facey is on a trajectory much like Nolan's. Kelis Fisher should be much improved by the end of this year but will still need to get stronger to have a bigger impact. I expect him to be really solid by his junior year.
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Nolan couldn't walk and chew gum the beginning of his freshman year.
Only his size and our desperation made him a marginal D1 recruit.
His growth has been borderline unbelievable.
Facey was much futher along, he was pretty highly touted out of high school.
The thing that concerns me is he was a little older and might have maxed out.
If he developed anywhere near Nolan people would be talking NBA this year.
Facey is a concern as the 4 is a weak spot as of now.
 
I said it before (and got some flack) but you just don't hear the buzz about Facey & Lubin that you hear about the other players (although Chief is big on Lubin). Looks like we will be weaker at the 4. Still early and I don't think we need as much at the 4 this year.
 
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RedDog said:
We know that KO is a great in-game coach (adjustments against Florida, for example), but he's also shown that he's a great recruiter. Of the players mentioned above, he is responsible for bringing in Brimah, DHam, Sam Cassell, and Purvis.

Furthermore, in the case of Brimah, he's showing that he can develop a player, just like his hall-of-fame mentor, Jim Calhoun.
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He also brought in Phil Nolan.
 
chapwilvaug72 said:
scout was not paying attenseeonee

LubiN is a huge get

he has veryvery serious skills

heed dee rockski
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Alrighty, that was some really special typing and spelling. Even when I get on this board after a glass of whiskey, I still know how to use my spell as I type function. I can tell when something is spelled wrong, because there's a red underline under the word, just like I can see now under most of your words.

Secondly, you've convinced me that Lubin is a one and done for certain.
 
AZHuskiePop said:
Nolan couldn't walk and chew gum the beginning of his freshman year.
Only his size and our desperation made him a marginal D1 recruit.
His growth has been borderline unbelievable.
Facey was much futher along, he was pretty highly touted out of high school.
The thing that concerns me is he was a little older and might have maxed out.
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Not sure about that. Nolan was a classic project kid that we've brought in time and again. Tall, rangy, with a body that had the potential to fill out a bit.

If he developed anywhere near Nolan people would be talking NBA this year.
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We must be watching a different Nolan.
 
Yea, Nolan was not top 100 but he was top 150 and had plenty of solid offers. I don't know where "marginal D1 recruit" comes from.
 
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AZHuskiePop said:
Nolan couldn't walk and chew gum the beginning of his freshman year.
Only his size and our desperation made him a marginal D1 recruit.
His growth has been borderline unbelievable.
Facey was much futher along, he was pretty highly touted out of high school.
The thing that concerns me is he was a little older and might have maxed out.
If he developed anywhere near Nolan people would be talking NBA this year.
Facey is a concern as the 4 is a weak spot as of now.
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Marginal?

Haws. Have you seem much basketball ??

Go watch a Siena Canisius game. Fact is Nolan had to develop. Several measures of Hilton Armstrong.
 
This Nolan > Armstrong thing is confusing to me. I can't find a single way that sophomore Nolan outplayed freshman Armstrong.
 
AZHuskiePop said:
Nolan couldn't walk and chew gum the beginning of his freshman year.
Only his size and our desperation made him a marginal D1 recruit.
His growth has been borderline unbelievable.
Facey was much futher along, he was pretty highly touted out of high school.
The thing that concerns me is he was a little older and might have maxed out.
If he developed anywhere near Nolan people would be talking NBA this year.
Facey is a concern as the 4 is a weak spot as of now.
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What is this incredible Phil Nolan development that you keep referencing? Phil Nolan could barely make a layup last year. Do you remember how many times he had wide open dunks and got swatted?

Hopefully we will see some improvement this year, but last year he made strides defensively and that's about it. Offensively and rebounding, he left a lot to be desired.
 
Armstrong had an extra inch or two, and more quickness. I like Phil's scrappiness and ability to put on weight. Armstrong was better at filling the stat sheet but I think Phil is going to round out into a very nice player, and has a shot to make the NBA as a PF. This year will tell since lack of strength was the major defect holding him back. Getting some playing time at PF, his natural position, will also help him.

From what Phil was coming into UConn, this is a tremendous job of player development and a credit to the UConn coaching staff and Phil's hard work.
 
Silly

You're comparing Hilton Armstrong to Phillip Nolan to Antric Klaiber. Except they are all 6'10 (or bigger). You're saying that they came in unpolished & they had to be developed. Armstrong was not very good his Freshman year. The skillset for Nolan won't ever approach HA by his graduation. But it's an arc & he's got more improvement coming.

Having said that ... A 6-10 guy at 250 D1 programs would love to gave Nolan's assets.
 
Pudge said:
Silly

You're comparing Hilton Armstrong to Phillip Nolan to Antric Klaiber. Except they are all 6'10 (or bigger). You're saying that they came in unpolished & they had to be developed. Armstrong was not very good his Freshman year. The skillset for Nolan won't ever approach HA by his graduation. But it's an arc & he's got more improvement coming.

Having said that ... A 6-10 guy at 250 D1 programs would love to gave Nolan's assets.
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Armstrong wasn't great as a freshman, but he was better than Nolan was as a freshman or as a sophomore.
 
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Hilton Armstrong averaged 9 to 12 minutes a game from FR thru Junior year. Never scored more than 3.4 ppg.

To my unprofessional eye, he always looked like he had more potential than Philip Nolan ... Nolan's Got more play.

Again - NOT a marginal D1 player at all. Nolan would play big minutes at 320 D1 schools & he can get better.
 
HuskyHawk said:
No mention of Samuels, but I think he's already shown he's a heck of a player. But really, this team is deep. No weak link I can see.
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He gave us some awesome minutes in the tourney last year though..... Those players are EXTREMELY valuable off the bench.
 
Doggie Style said:
He gave us some awesome minutes in the tourney last year though..... Those players are EXTREMELY valuable off the bench.
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I think the backup PG is an interesting competition between Samuel and Cassell Jr. If Cassell is better than T-Sam, then he's a very good player.
 
HuskyHawk said:
I think the backup PG is an interesting competition between Samuel and Cassell Jr. If Cassell is better than T-Sam, then he's a very good player.
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I love Tsam, but all the pre-season buzz has been around Sam II Am. Seth Greenberg flagged him early and said KO has raved about him in off air conversations. Welsch had him in the starting lineup at first night and Cronin as recently as yesterday was predicting him to be a major factor for us. That's a lot of smoke.
 
OkaForPrez said:
I love Tsam, but all the pre-season buzz has been around Sam II Am. Seth Greenberg flagged him early and said KO has raved about him in off air conversations. Welsch had him in the starting lineup at first night and Cronin as recently as yesterday was predicting him to be a major factor for us. That's a lot of smoke.
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Plenty of minutes for both. We're a guard heavy team, having a guy come off the bench who can create his own shot (Cassell) and a guy who can run the offense (TSam) is a great luxury to have. Imagine if we could meld the two of them into the same body? TSAMCASSELL? It would be phenomenal.

No flying cars yet, no way to combine two humans into one - science has really been letting us down lately.
 
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OkaForPrez said:
I love Tsam, but all the pre-season buzz has been around Sam II Am. Seth Greenberg flagged him early and said KO has raved about him in off air conversations. Welsch had him in the starting lineup at first night and Cronin as recently as yesterday was predicting him to be a major factor for us. That's a lot of smoke.
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Sounds like the next Ajou Deng! Hopefully not.
 
CL82 said:
Nah, we've actually seen that TSam can play.
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I don't mean TSam, I mean Cassell Jr. Lots of hype, nothing to back it up. I have no problems with TSam as my backup PG. He's somewhere with Taliek and Ricky Moore in my mind in what he brings, and may have more offense than either.
 
Nolan flashed some nice new post moves last year. I'm hoping he can follow that up by finishing more this year.
 
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