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Message: [QUOTE="Rocktheworld, post: 2208665, member: 5037"] We have a good idea already. Over LeBron's first stint in Cleveland, his second-best player was Zydrunas Ilgauskas. He took that team from 17 to 34 wins instantly at age 18, then to 42 wins, then in year 4 was in the NBA Finals. Then he left and the team immediately goes back to 19 wins. That wasn't a run-of-the-mill team; his teams were [I]awful[/I], with a poor coach to boot, and had no business sniffing any success[I].[/I] And he took them to a finals and multiple conference finals, when he wasn't even peaking. When Jordan left his Bulls, they won 3 fewer games. LeBron has one bad half in game 3, and [I]these[/I] Cavs blow a 21 point lead to an IT-less Celtics at home. [/QUOTE]