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tzznandrew

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Duncan might be best power forward of all time. Duncan, Ginobili, Parker, Kawhi probably all hall of famers
Every one of them will be in the hall.
 

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Ginobili was a nice player, but his 3 best PPG seasons were 19.5, 17.4 and 16.5. Is he a superstar too now? Parker filled up the stat sheet a little better than Ginobili, and I guess you can consider him a superstar, maybe, although we are crossing into the territory of just saying after the fact that the best players on winning teams were superstars.

I don't think anyone thought Parker was a superstar before or even in the middle of his run with the Spurs. It wasn't until the tail end that people realized how great Parker was. The Spurs were a very deep team during the entire run.

No matter how you cut it, no successful team has ever simply put three superstars (1 of whom is on the downslope of his career) on a team along with a bunch of detritus. Depth matters.
 
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Ginobili was a nice player, but his 3 best PPG seasons were 19.5, 17.4 and 16.5. Is he a superstar too now? Parker filled up the stat sheet a little better than Ginobili, and I guess you can consider him a superstar, maybe, although we are crossing into the territory of just saying after the fact that the best players on winning teams were superstars.

I don't think anyone thought Parker was a superstar before or even in the middle of his run with the Spurs. It wasn't until the tail end that people realized how great Parker was. The Spurs were a very deep team during the entire run.

No matter how you cut it, no successful team has ever simply put three superstars (1 of whom is on the downslope of his career) on a team along with a bunch of detritus. Depth matters.
Ginobili is a Hall of Famer because of his international contributions.
 
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Ginobili was a nice player, but his 3 best PPG seasons were 19.5, 17.4 and 16.5. Is he a superstar too now? Parker filled up the stat sheet a little better than Ginobili, and I guess you can consider him a superstar, maybe, although we are crossing into the territory of just saying after the fact that the best players on winning teams were superstars.

I don't think anyone thought Parker was a superstar before or even in the middle of his run with the Spurs. It wasn't until the tail end that people realized how great Parker was. The Spurs were a very deep team during the entire run.

No matter how you cut it, no successful team has ever simply put three superstars (1 of whom is on the downslope of his career) on a team along with a bunch of detritus. Depth matters.
Nobody said superstar, they said Hall of Famer. They said Tim Duncan was a superstar which isn't even an arguable point
 

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I think Westbrook's contract is going to be very hard to move. I can almost see Detroit doing the deal, because Griffin, Drummond, D-Rose and Westbrook wouldn't look terrible on paper and the east could be a 3 or 4 team race. Plus, Griffin's age and contract make him untradeable, so why not take one run at the title while he is still in his prime? The downside is that Detroit will be atrocious at the back end of all of these bad contracts.
 
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I think Westbrook's contract is going to be very hard to move. I can almost see Detroit doing the deal, because Griffin, Drummond, D-Rose and Westbrook wouldn't look terrible on paper and the east could be a 3 or 4 team race. Plus, Griffin's age and contract make him untradeable, so why not take one run at the title while he is still in his prime? The downside is that Detroit will be atrocious at the back end of all of these bad contracts.
The back end. . . . meaning next year or the year after? Including this year, Blake(player option 3rd year) and Andre have 2 years and Westbrook 3? That isn't impossible to overcome. On the one hand, the Pistons are in a purgatory of mediocrity so this would help and is a decent fit on paper. On the other hand, does anyone really want Westbrook? The better question is why in the world would Miami do this?
 

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The back end. . . . meaning next year or the year after? Including this year, Blake(player option 3rd year) and Andre have 2 years and Westbrook 3? That isn't impossible to overcome. On the one hand, the Pistons are in a purgatory of mediocrity so this would help and is a decent fit on paper. On the other hand, does anyone really want Westbrook? The better question is why in the world would Miami do this?
I don't know Dragic's health situation, but I really like his game. He is not nearly the athlete Westbrook is, but he also comes with no bull scalito.
 

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I am not interested in your opinion if you don't make some predictions yourself. I predicted the East, and will get to the West in the next day or two.
 

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I think the East is a toss-up in some ways, but Milwaukee should be the favorite. West will be as well.

1. Bucks
2. Celtics
3. Pacers
4. 76ers
5. Raptors
6. Nets
7. Heat
8. Magic
 
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East predictions
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1) Bucks - Giannis is that good.
2) 76ers - D is going to be insane. Embiid will get hurt, though. If JRich and Horford can hit 40% from 3, they'll be #1.
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3) Raptors - Core is older, but still really solid. I think Siakam takes a leap.
4) Celtics - Team should fit better together. Could pass Raptors if Tatum's trajectory reverts back to expected after 1st year.
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5) Orlando - Surprise of the season. Defense comes together, take advantage of 5-9 teams having weaknesses.
6) Pacers - Missing 2 months of Oladipo +rust hurts.
7) Nets - I like a lot of their pieces, but not sure of the D and there's a gaping hole at the 4 until next year.
8) Heat - Addition by subtraction of Whiteside.
9) Pistons - Blake Griffin begins to break down at age 30 like an NFL RB.
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10) Hawks - Will be playing too many young guys to make the playoffs, but will start getting the frisky tag.
12) Bulls - A lot of good, starter-quality players. Need a star.
11) Wizards - Beal will keep them out of the bottom 3.
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13) Hornets - Of the bottom 3, have the most veteran guys who who won't tank.
14) Knicks - How do you spend that much money in FA and still suck? Very young starting lineup.
15) Cavaliers - Year 2 of the tank Hopefully they get into top 3 this time.
 

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Lakers about to sign Avery Bradley for $10M a year. LOL. What a terrible deal.

 

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Lakers add Bradley, who played well for Memphis after struggling with the Clippers. He should be a nice bench piece.

Nuggets trade for Grant, a quality 3/4. The Nuggets only had one weakness: SF. They have fixed that. If Jamal Murray becomes a star they are the next Golden State.
 

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East predictions
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1) Bucks - Giannis is that good.
2) 76ers - D is going to be insane. Embiid will get hurt, though. If JRich and Horford can hit 40% from 3, they'll be #1.
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3) Raptors - Core is older, but still really solid. I think Siakam takes a leap.
4) Celtics - Team should fit better together. Could pass Raptors if Tatum's trajectory reverts back to expected after 1st year.
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5) Orlando - Surprise of the season. Defense comes together, take advantage of 5-9 teams having weaknesses.
6) Pacers - Missing 2 months of Oladipo +rust hurts.
7) Nets - I like a lot of their pieces, but not sure of the D and there's a gaping hole at the 4 until next year.
8) Heat - Addition by subtraction of Whiteside.
9) Pistons - Blake Griffin begins to break down at age 30 like an NFL RB.
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10) Hawks - Will be playing too many young guys to make the playoffs, but will start getting the frisky tag.
12) Bulls - A lot of good, starter-quality players. Need a star.
11) Wizards - Beal will keep them out of the bottom 3.
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13) Hornets - Of the bottom 3, have the most veteran guys who who won't tank.
14) Knicks - How do you spend that much money in FA and still suck? Very young starting lineup.
15) Cavaliers - Year 2 of the tank Hopefully they get into top 3 this time.

I think this highlights how much "if" there is across the east. Milwaukee looks like a consensus favorite, but they lost a little depth. Some prognosticators say the Nets are best. The Raptors got a lot worse. Boston may have gotten better, may have gotten worse.

Lots of people on this board are high on Philly, yet I think they got a lot worse, losing Butler and Reddick. They don't have defensive answers for quick, smaller guards, lack ball handling and outside shooting. Horford only started taking 3s when he got to Boston, and even then only when completely uncontested. Playing as a 4, those will be contested a lot more often and he won't be able to take them in volume or make them at a 40% clip.
 
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East predictions
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1) Bucks - Giannis is that good.
2) 76ers - D is going to be insane. Embiid will get hurt, though. If JRich and Horford can hit 40% from 3, they'll be #1.
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3) Raptors - Core is older, but still really solid. I think Siakam takes a leap.
4) Celtics - Team should fit better together. Could pass Raptors if Tatum's trajectory reverts back to expected after 1st year.
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5) Orlando - Surprise of the season. Defense comes together, take advantage of 5-9 teams having weaknesses.
6) Pacers - Missing 2 months of Oladipo +rust hurts.
7) Nets - I like a lot of their pieces, but not sure of the D and there's a gaping hole at the 4 until next year.
8) Heat - Addition by subtraction of Whiteside.
9) Pistons - Blake Griffin begins to break down at age 30 like an NFL RB.
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10) Hawks - Will be playing too many young guys to make the playoffs, but will start getting the frisky tag.
12) Bulls - A lot of good, starter-quality players. Need a star.
11) Wizards - Beal will keep them out of the bottom 3.
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13) Hornets - Of the bottom 3, have the most veteran guys who who won't tank.
14) Knicks - How do you spend that much money in FA and still suck? Very young starting lineup.
15) Cavaliers - Year 2 of the tank Hopefully they get into top 3 this time.
This looks closest to mine so I'll piggyback. I'd go Pacers, Nets, Orlando, Miami for tier 3.
 
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I think this highlights how much "if" there is across the east. Milwaukee looks like a consensus favorite, but they lost a little depth. Some prognosticators say the Nets are best. The Raptors got a lot worse. Boston may have gotten better, may have gotten worse.

Lots of people on this board are high on Philly, yet I think they got a lot worse, losing Butler and Reddick. They don't have defensive answers for quick, smaller guards, lack ball handling and outside shooting. Horford only started taking 3s when he got to Boston, and even then only when completely uncontested. Playing as a 4, those will be contested a lot more often and he won't be able to take them in volume or make them at a 40% clip.
No one with an opinion with listening to has the Nets as the favorite.

I do agree that defending smaller guards is a weakness, but it is actually less of a weakness than last year. Richardson is better than Butler versus those types and Thybulle and Zaire Smith came in with reputations as defensive stoppers at the 2. The biggest weakness will be late game scoring as they lost their closer but they will rack up a lot of regular season wins.
 
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East predictions
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1) Bucks - Giannis is that good.
2) 76ers - D is going to be insane. Embiid will get hurt, though. If JRich and Horford can hit 40% from 3, they'll be #1.
--
3) Raptors - Core is older, but still really solid. I think Siakam takes a leap.
4) Celtics - Team should fit better together. Could pass Raptors if Tatum's trajectory reverts back to expected after 1st year.
--
5) Orlando - Surprise of the season. Defense comes together, take advantage of 5-9 teams having weaknesses.
6) Pacers - Missing 2 months of Oladipo +rust hurts.
7) Nets - I like a lot of their pieces, but not sure of the D and there's a gaping hole at the 4 until next year.
8) Heat - Addition by subtraction of Whiteside.
9) Pistons - Blake Griffin begins to break down at age 30 like an NFL RB.
--
10) Hawks - Will be playing too many young guys to make the playoffs, but will start getting the frisky tag.
12) Bulls - A lot of good, starter-quality players. Need a star.
11) Wizards - Beal will keep them out of the bottom 3.
--
13) Hornets - Of the bottom 3, have the most veteran guys who who won't tank.
14) Knicks - How do you spend that much money in FA and still suck? Very young starting lineup.
15) Cavaliers - Year 2 of the tank Hopefully they get into top 3 this time.
East Tier 1:
1. Bucks---- bledsoe/matthews/middleton/giannis/lopez
2. Sixers----simmons/richardson/harris/horford/embiid
East Tier 2:
3. Celtics---walker/brown/hayward/tatum/kanter
4. Pacers---brogden/lamb/warren/sabonis/turner
5. Nets-----irving/levert/harris/kurucs/allen
6. Raps-----lowry/vanvleet/powell/siakham/gasol
East Tier 3:
7. Heat-----dragic/waiters/butler/johnson/adebayo
8. Magic---augustine/fournier/hayes/gordon/vucevic
9. Pistons--jackson/rose/kennard/griffin/drummond
10. Bulls---white/lavine/porter/markkanen/carter

West Tier 1:
1. Clipps----beverley/shamet/george/leonard/zubac
2. Lakers----rondo/green/james/davis/cousins
West Tier 2:
3. Nuggs----murray/harris/barton/millsap/jokic
4. Jazz-------conley/mitchell/ingles/bogdanovic/gobert
5. Rockets---paul/harden/gordon/tucker/capela
6. Blazers----lillard/mccollum/hood/collins/whiteside
West Tier 3:
7. Pels-------holiday/redick/ingram/zion/favors
8. Warriors--curry/russell/mckinnie/green/looney
9. Spurs-----white/forbes/derozan/morris/aldridge
10. Mavs----wright/hardaway/doncic/powell/porzingis
 
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1. Bucks
2. Sixers
3. Celtics
4. Pacers
5. Pistons
6. Nets
7. Heat
8. Magic

Unless the Raptors make a massive trade
to get Bradley Beal maybe, then I see these 8
 

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West
1. Clippers
2. Jazz
3. Nuggets
4. Blazers
5. Rockets
6. Lakers
7. Warriors
8. Spurs

Dallas could challenge for the 8 seed maybe.
my suns are terrible...
 

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