NBA not enthralled with Zach Edney

[MuchoDogYears]

This is hilariously stupid.

If you’re a fan of today’s NBA version of basketball, good for you. Enjoy.

I much prefer a balanced inside/outside game, and it being reffed according to the rules in the book.

Seriously, “hilariously stupid”? That’s your fact based counterpoint argument? Right. LOL

 

[nelsonmuntz]

This is the entire point. If everyone can play on the perimeter, then the post is more open. You don't need a 7 footer in that scenario because a wing/guard can beat his man and have an open shot at the basket. It's why a WR always has a bit of an advantage over a DB, because 1 of them knows where he's going, and the other one has to react. A 5-out offense makes it so that ANYONE can score in the post, not just the Center....although on the occasion that they want to, the C certainly can as well.

At issue is whether or not teams use it that way. The good teams do lot's of cutting to the basket. (our very own UConn Huskies for example) They use the 3 to open up the floor. That is a product of good scheming. The lousy teams take 3's because they can't figure out anything better to do because they aren't well coached. That's an entirely different conversation.

A WR operates in a lot more open space than a cutter, so that is a bad comparison.

Do you realize the other team is playing defense? You get that they are also trying to win, right? A 5 out is an exceptionally easy defense to defend, and the timing has to be perfect for it to work against defenses that don't suck. Or your team just has to be a lot better than your opponent, but I will let you in on a secret: All the offenses work when you are a lot better than your opponent.

Penetrating from 30 feet out on the wing is exceptionally difficult, as I have already covered about 3 times in this thread. It results in low probability, contested shots, because the help defense will always get there unless the other team is terrible or not trying.

 

[ibleedhuskyblue]

Penetrating from 30 feet out on the wing is exceptionally difficult, as I have already covered about 3 times in this thread. It results in low probability, contested shots, because the help defense will always get there unless the other team is terrible or not trying.

Wrong again. Penetrating from 30 is easy when you only have 1 man to beat between you and the basket. It's difficult when there's there's big guy in there to contest your shot.
The help defense can't help when the other 4 guys are threats from the perimeter. This is the whole point.

 

[ScottCT]

If he doesn't develop at least a mid range shot he will be useless in the NBA.

 

[ibleedhuskyblue]

If he doesn't develop at least a mid range shot he will be useless in the NBA.

I actually think it's more important for him to increase his lateral quickness (shout-out Rick Pitino). He will get roasted in the pick and roll otherwise.

 

[Bomber36]

Clingan is considerably more mobile than Edey. A healthy Donovan Clingan is quite a basketball player. When was the last time someone put up a stat line like 14 points, 14 rebounds and 8 (9?) blocks in an NCAA Tournament game?

 

[BigErnMcCracken]

If you’re a fan of today’s NBA version of basketball, good for you. Enjoy.

I much prefer a balanced inside/outside game, and it being reffed according to the rules in the book.

Seriously, “hilariously stupid”? That’s your fact based counterpoint argument? Right. LOL

I suspect that if Shaq were in college today he'd have a pretty bright NBA future.

 

[aceboon]

That the NBA doesn’t value Edey is an indictment of the present-day NBA and its decision to roll out a product that long ago decided to sell the “Michael Jordan superstar” marketing image to its audience.

Winning, and competition, are a distant second to packaging when it comes to the NBA product. Edey doesn’t fit the package. The NBA rules as reffed don’t support a player of his talent in the way that college basketball does.

College basketball and the NBA are two different sports. College basketball is all about winning. The NBA is about selling a product first and foremost.

Shaq’s style of play, bullyball, would’ve resulted in him being undervalued in the NBA draft in current times. That is a reflection of the NBA being only a step above professional wrestling. Sad when compared to how the NBA looked and operated before Michael Jordan retired.

lol @ winning being a distant second when all of the discussion regarding the NBA is "rings", and then you say the NBA suffers from selling the "Michael Jordan superstar" image when Jordan was one of the ultimate winners in the league. Not sure I've read a post more disconnected from NBA reality, sounds like a parody of a gray haired WFAN caller.

 

[Kenny11]

I actually think it's more important for him to increase his lateral quickness (shout-out Rick Pitino). He will get roasted in the pick and roll otherwise.

He is in phenomenal shape. It looks like he has already spent the last couple of years trying to get quicker and leaner. I'm not sure how much more he can do.

 

[Mr. Hand]

Edey suffers from lack of lateral quickness, which is an absolute requirement/must at every position in the NBA, even centers. You cannot be slow footed and expect to make an NBA roster.

 

[uconnfan68]

Yeah, the NBA needs more generic 6'6 wings jacking 3's at 33% (when they can get a shot off at all) than a 7'4 guy that will shoot 65% from the field and get to the line every third time he gets the ball. That is why so many of the current NBA GMs will be out of work in 5 years.

They don't leave the league, they just rotate to other teams.

 

[AdamaNation]

Why UConn football should join the MAC - NewsBreak
According to 1 NBA scout, he feels that Purdue big man Zach Edney's talent may not translate to the NBA game. Yes, he's 7-4, yes he moves well, however can he move fast enough to cover big men like KD, Yannis, and other 5s? Not sure. Why am I mentioning this? Maybe because DC might be in the same situation. DC does move a little bit better, he has shown an outside shot, although he would definitely have to improve it. Remember that the NBA has a defensive 3 seconds technical foul rile, which precludes big men camping in the paint on D. This means that bigs have to move around the lane, and out to the paint. Just food for thought.

Me sees Thabeetitus

 

[nomar]

Anyone who seriously compared Clingan and Edey's athleticism clearly hasn't bothered to watch them play. Donovan isn't a "little bit better," he's in the stratosphere athletically compared to Edey. Just a stupid, stupid take.

It's the very reason why Clingan -- despite his stats being dwarfed by Edey's -- is projected to go much higher!

 

[nomar]

That the NBA doesn’t value Edey is an indictment of the present-day NBA and its decision to roll out a product that long ago decided to sell the “Michael Jordan superstar” marketing image to its audience.

Winning, and competition, are a distant second to packaging when it comes to the NBA product. Edey doesn’t fit the package. The NBA rules as reffed don’t support a player of his talent in the way that college basketball does.

College basketball and the NBA are two different sports. College basketball is all about winning. The NBA is about selling a product first and foremost.

Shaq’s style of play, bullyball, would’ve resulted in him being undervalued in the NBA draft in current times. That is a reflection of the NBA being only a step above professional wrestling. Sad when compared to how the NBA looked and operated before Michael Jordan retired.

Teams play the way to do to win, not for marketing purposes. "Winning, and competition, are a distant second to packaging when it comes to the NBA product" is an absolutely ridiculous statement. What kind of front office values marketing over winning? One filled with people who don't care about keeping their jobs, and I'm not sure anyone fits that category.

Btw, UConn PLAYS NBA BASKETBALL. All shots in the paint and 3s -- no midrange shots.

Shaq would do fine, and be highly valued, in today's NBA. Just like the Admiral and Hakeem. Those guys were studs. Robinson and Olajuwon would be shooting 3s and Shaq wouldn't, but they'd all be All-NBA.

The way the games are reffed is a small component. It's the talent. Big guys can handle the rock and shoot from deep. Why wouldn't you want them doing that if they can????????????

I just really couldn't disagree more with your take. Just seems like you don't like the modern NBA so you're yelling at clouds.

 

[husky429]

That the NBA doesn’t value Edey is an indictment of the present-day NBA and its decision to roll out a product that long ago decided to sell the “Michael Jordan superstar” marketing image to its audience.

Winning, and competition, are a distant second to packaging when it comes to the NBA product. Edey doesn’t fit the package. The NBA rules as reffed don’t support a player of his talent in the way that college basketball does.

College basketball and the NBA are two different sports. College basketball is all about winning. The NBA is about selling a product first and foremost.

Shaq’s style of play, bullyball, would’ve resulted in him being undervalued in the NBA draft in current times. That is a reflection of the NBA being only a step above professional wrestling. Sad when compared to how the NBA looked and operated before Michael Jordan retired.

Tell me you don't watch the NBA without telling me you don't watch the NBA.

 

[MuchoDogYears]

All right, I’m getting smoked here. Feeling like Stetson vs UConn. Pressing on…

I have no issue with today’s centers being able to shoot the 3.

However, Shaq couldn’t shoot outside the paint, nor could Olajawan, or Parish, or any of those players. In fact, none did or could. Yet their teams won. From what I’m hearing here, none of these players with the skill set that they had, would be drafted high or even be starters.

IMO, something along the way got skewed that created this. Which resulted in a superstar college center like Edey being an afterthought in the upcoming draft.

Yes I acknowledge that teams still draft based on who they believe will be able to help their team win, not on marketing.

The NBA front office though only cares about marketing. If bending the on-court rules helps players score more, they’re all in. Especially for any player they consider a star. The game isn’t reffed according to the rule book, it’s reffed according to whom has the ball.

Showtime first, competition second.

 

[MuchoDogYears]

Tell me you don't watch the NBA without telling me you don't watch the NBA.

You’re right. I don’t watch any NBA regular season games anymore. I watch some playoff games but that’s it.

 

[Improviser]

Poor Zach.

I guess he won't be making Facebook Friend Requests for any Boneyarders.

 

[Zonepress]

Anyone who seriously compared Clingan and Edey's athleticism clearly hasn't bothered to watch them play. Donovan isn't a "little bit better," he's in the stratosphere athletically compared to Edey. Just a stupid, stupid take.

Thank you!!

 

[uconnfan68]

Waylon thinks Boban should be dominating the NBA.

Best announcer.

 

[Zonepress]

That the NBA doesn’t value Edey is an indictment of the present-day NBA and its decision to roll out a product that long ago decided to sell the “Michael Jordan superstar” marketing image to its audience.

Winning, and competition, are a distant second to packaging when it comes to the NBA product. Edey doesn’t fit the package. The NBA rules as reffed don’t support a player of his talent in the way that college basketball does.

College basketball and the NBA are two different sports. College basketball is all about winning. The NBA is about selling a product first and foremost.

Shaq’s style of play, bullyball, would’ve resulted in him being undervalued in the NBA draft in current times. That is a reflection of the NBA being only a step above professional wrestling. Sad when compared to how the NBA looked and operated before Michael Jordan retired.

You couldn’t say all this and watch nba
Winning in competition are important?

 

[nomar]

All right, I’m getting smoked here. Feeling like Stetson vs UConn. Pressing on…

I have no issue with today’s centers being able to shoot the 3.

However, Shaq couldn’t shoot outside the paint, nor could Olajawan, or Parish, or any of those players. In fact, none did or could. Yet their teams won. From what I’m hearing here, none of these players with the skill set that they had, would be drafted high or even be starters.

IMO, something along the way got skewed that created this. Which resulted in a superstar college center like Edey being an afterthought in the upcoming draft.

Yes I acknowledge that teams still draft based on who they believe will be able to help their team win, not on marketing.

The NBA front office though only cares about marketing. If bending the on-court rules helps players score more, they’re all in. Especially for any player they consider a star. The game isn’t reffed according to the rule book, it’s reffed according to whom has the ball.

Showtime first, competition second.

Olajuwon definitely shot outside the paint. A baseline jumper was a significant part of his game. Robinson had a mid-range jumper too.

It took way too long for people to realize that bigs taking 15-18 footers should not be doing that. If KG came into the NBA today he wouldn’t take any 20-footers—he’d be taking tons of 3s. Because it’s smarter.

 

[Zonepress]

Another consideration is that Don's wing span looks much longer than Zach - they're just different athletes. Height doesn't tell the entire tale. Take for instance, Houston. They are one of the smallest teams in American, yet get their hands on more balls than anyone. A lot of that has to do with their wingspan, not their height. I honestly don't see a lot of comparisons between Edey & Clingan. Totally different players, different body types, different athletes.

Nba values 3 things in the current game for centers
-guard the paint
-play the pick and roll well
-hit the wide open 3
Edey. Comes up short on all 3
Clingan has the first 2 and shows enough good form to believe he can shoot the 3
In short he is and nba center
Imho the only question is will he be a starter
Getting big money on a second contract
Or a rotation player who plays 10-12 years in the league

 

[Bomber36]

Poor Zach.

I guess he won't be making Facebook Friend Requests for any Boneyarders.

He’ll be crying all the way to the bank.

 

[Zonepress]

All right, I’m getting smoked here. Feeling like Stetson vs UConn. Pressing on…

I have no issue with today’s centers being able to shoot the 3.

However, Shaq couldn’t shoot outside the paint, nor could Olajawan, or Parish, or any of those players. In fact, none did or could. Yet their teams won. From what I’m hearing here, none of these players with the skill set that they had, would be drafted high or even be starters.

IMO, something along the way got skewed that created this. Which resulted in a superstar college center like Edey being an afterthought in the upcoming draft.

Yes I acknowledge that teams still draft based on who they believe will be able to help their team win, not on marketing.

The NBA front office though only cares about marketing. If bending the on-court rules helps players score more, they’re all in. Especially for any player they consider a star. The game isn’t reffed according to the rule book, it’s reffed according to whom has the ball.

Showtime first, competition second.

The answer as to why the game changed is that the NBA came to fully embrace the three-point shot
The influx of skilled international centers who can shoot the 3 was a
Big influence but in the end the brilliance of stef Curry 3 point shooting ultimately changed the
Game
Unfortunately, the Americans in high school and college(UConn a notable exception) values athleticism to large degree over skill( Kentucky)
just look at the NBA mock draft, and you can see
A projected first round close to half of the players being international players
There is some hope as Cooper Flagg Cameron, boozer, and AJD are obviously very athletic are also very skilled players and projected has the best players in the world at their age

 

[ibleedhuskyblue]

Nba values 3 things in the current game for centers
-guard the paint
-play the pick and roll well
-hit the wide open 3
Edey. Comes up short on all 3
Clingan has the first 2 and shows enough good form to believe he can shoot the 3
In short he is and nba center
Imho the only question is will he be a starter
Getting big money on a second contract
Or a rotation player who plays 10-12 years in the league

This is a great way of saying this with significantly fewer words than i would have used. Well done.

 

[ColchVEGAS]

Edey's NBA prospectus are where they are solely because of his defensive projections. He will be a liability on defense with his lack of speed. I thought Kenny Smith nailed it in his post game assessment by stating he is not on draft boards because he would most likely only be a 6-8 minute spurt a game. The 5 has to be able to guard the perimeter in today's NBA game and Edey cannot do that effectively.

 

[Zonepress]

This is a great way of saying this with significantly fewer words than i would have used. Well done.

Thnks!

 

[nomar]

The answer as to why the game changed is that the NBA came to fully embrace the three-point shot
The influx of skilled international centers who can shoot the 3 was a
Big influence but in the end the brilliance of stef Curry 3 point shooting ultimately changed the
Game
Unfortunately, the Americans in high school and college(UConn a notable exception) values athleticism to large degree over skill( Kentucky)
just look at the NBA mock draft, and you can see
A projected first round close to half of the players being international players
There is some hope as Cooper Flagg Cameron, boozer, and AJD are obviously very athletic are also very skilled players and projected has the best players in the world at their age

Not sure it's what's "valued" as much as what happens in terms of training as a practical matter. These international players all start playing pro ball at a young age and, yes, the fundamentals are drilled into them early. Whether it's soccer or basketball or anything else, the US just doesn't throw teenagers into junior pro teams--we don't have them. That's not a bad thing at all, in my view.

A good HS coach can instill fundamentals into his players but he only gets a fraction of a kid's time and AAU ball -- which is understandably used by players to attract interest from colleges -- doesn't help and can be counterproductive. Then they're in college and while, again, a good coach can accomplish a lot, there are plenty of distractions (again, not a bad thing).

Doncic signed with Real Madrid at 13. No American could ever receive the level of training he had.

 

[Zonepress]

Not sure it's what's "valued" as much as what happens in terms of training as a practical matter. These international players all start playing pro ball at a young age and, yes, the fundamentals are drilled into them early. Whether it's soccer or basketball or anything else, the US just doesn't throw teenagers into junior pro teams--we don't have them. That's not a bad thing at all, in my view.

A good HS coach can instill fundamentals into his players but he only gets a fraction of a kid's time and AAU ball -- which is understandably used by players to attract interest from colleges -- doesn't help and can be counterproductive. Then they're in college and while, again, a good coach can accomplish a lot, there are plenty of distractions (again, not a bad thing).

Doncic signed with Real Madrid at 13. No American could ever receive the level of training he had.

Statement at all these international players start playing pro, a young age may or may not be true
But what I think you’re missing is that American players spend just as much time with the game but it’s mostly spent playing games
Not unusual to play 80 to 100 AAU games in a year
International players, or they’re there with a protein we’re not spend it more time working on fundamentals and improving their individual skills
For gaseous when you see the difference between international players and American players