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Hunt for 7 said:
I would have thought the Knicks with OG and Bridges would at least be competitive against Boston. They were pretty much hand picked by Rose to combat Tatum and Brown. The mistake was the KAT trade. They could have signed Hartenstein and used Randle to get some depth.
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They couldn't sign Hartenstein, that was part of the problem. Their offer couldn't exceed ~$12mm for year one with limited escalations. This is among the senseless things about the current CBA.

Hunt for 7 said:
KAT is just so bad defensively he can only play drop coverage and Boston just shoots too good so you have to switch everything on the perimeter.

I really hate the plus/minus metric for last night it shows KAT +8 as the most effective Knicks player other than Hart at +13. Then he fouls out with a minute and a half left and we win. Go figure.
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I believe the idea was to have KAT play the four (as Randall's replacement). Robinson missing most of the season injured screwed this up.

Hunt for 7 said:
Even with KAT’s deficiencies this team still under performed against the best teams. That has to be on someone. Thibs has taken this group as far as he can and maybe this team as constructed is just average as the pieces don’t fit together.

They are going to have to figure something out as far as roster construction because after the Boston series it will be three straight years of losing in the second round. They are not getting better.
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This is why it's time to move on from Thibs.

With a starting lineup of Robinson, KAT, Anunoby, Bridges & Brunson; with Hart as sixth man, the Knicks cam matchup well defensively at most spots. No other team has two wing defenders the quality OA & MB. With OG playing the four he was giving up too much height too often.

The Bridges trade didn't work out close to what was expected (the prior Nova additions all moved in seamlessly) and yes, KAT will always be deficient on defense. A trade for a competent starting center (presumably for Bridges & Robinson) would help quite a bit. A couple depth pieces will also be needed.
 
BigErnMcCracken said:
Take a look at that '07 Cavs roster. Yeesh. And he was a couple years younger than Cam Spencer was when he was at UConn.
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And the 2016 title is what made me stop being a LeBron hater. That wasn't the Banana Boat squad. That was a dude carrying a team on his back and beating an historically good team.
 
superjohn said:
Nope, NBA basketball is played with 5 guys on the court for each team, there's two teams on the court. There's 15 roster spots, 5 starters and 10 bench guys. One team wins the NBA championship, at this point in his career Lebron needs to be the third best player on his team to win a championship. He's currently the second best player on his team and they just got smoked in the first round.
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Trade him for Jaylen Brown. Is he good enough now?

You acknowledge there are 15 players on each team without acknowledging that how good or bad they substantially impacts the team's performance.
 
FfldCntyFan said:
They couldn't sign Hartenstein, that was part of the problem. Their offer couldn't exceed ~$12mm for year one with limited escalations. This is among the senseless things about the current CBA.


I believe the idea was to have KAT play the four (as Randall's replacement). Robinson missing most of the season injured screwed this up.


This is why it's time to move on from Thibs.

With a starting lineup of Robinson, KAT, Anunoby, Bridges & Brunson; with Hart as sixth man, the Knicks cam matchup well defensively at most spots. No other team has two wing defenders the quality OA & MB. With OG playing the four he was giving up too much height too often.

The Bridges trade didn't work out close to what was expected (the prior Nova additions all moved in seamlessly) and yes, KAT will always be deficient on defense. A trade for a competent starting center (presumably for Bridges & Robinson) would help quite a bit. A couple depth pieces will also be needed.
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I'd rather package Bridges and Robinson for a legitimate SG, though I don't know who's out there. Brunson, XXX, Hart, OG, KAT would be a perfect starting lineup. Then fill out the bench in FA
 
Scoe said:
It's ok I understand you're a little sad about Lebron going fishing.
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Sure, I’m bummed. That’s how people get when their teams/players lose.

It’s a lot weirder to be over the moon about them/him losing. Too much hate in your heart my man.
 
superjohn said:
What's the right fit for Lebron at this point? He played with a dominant big who is a beast defensively and they lost 4-1 in the first round last year. He played with who some say is the most talented player in the league and they lost 4-1 in the first round this year. It will be 6 seasons removed from his last championship when he takes a crack at it again next season.

Outside of Jokic, Giannis, or another possible star coming to the Lakers or forming another super team somewhere else I don't see how he wins another championship.

People were saying Austin Reaves was the best third option in the league and now people are trashing him. Dude averaged 20/6/5 this season.
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TBH I think Davis is a better fit than Luka for 41 yr old LeBron. Davis and 3 and D wings, which is what they had in 2020. I was always dumbfounded how they didn't get more shooters to pair with LeBron and Davis--you have the hard part figured out! I think if not for running into an all-time great in his prime, that's a roster that could be in the conference finals any year.

Edit: They obviously had to make the Luka trade, it's just more for long term than right now
 
CardiacAndre7 said:
Sure, I’m bummed. That’s how people get when their teams/players lose.

It’s a lot weirder to be over the moon about them/him losing. Too much hate in your heart my man.
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Lebron never played for UConn, I don't have to be sad for him. I don't even care that much, just glad to see the Lakers lose especially the ones that were doing victory laps after we got eliminated against Florida.
 
Scoe said:
Lebron never played for UConn, I don't have to be sad for him. I don't even care that much, just glad to see the Lakers lose especially the ones that were doing victory laps after we got eliminated against Florida.
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Do you think people here only root for UConn? You don't get sad when the Knicks or the Yankees lose?
 
Scoe said:
Lebron never played for UConn, I don't have to be sad for him. I don't even care that much, just glad to see the Lakers lose especially the ones that were doing victory laps after we got eliminated against Florida.
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I don’t just go dormant from April-November. Other sports are ongoing
 
navery12 said:
Do you think people here only root for UConn? You don't get sad when the Knicks or the Yankees lose?
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I honestly don't get as sad when the Knicks and Yankees lose, as opposed to UConn . I also know there are Yankee boards and Knicks boards. Also am not gonna try to force others to be sad for me if the Yankees or Knicks lose.
 
Scoe said:
I honestly don't get as sad when the Knicks and Yankees lose, as opposed to UConn . I also know there are Yankee boards and Knicks boards. Also am not gonna try to force others to be sad for me if the Yankees or Knicks lose.
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No one is trying to force you to be sad, now you’re just hyperbolizing everything.

This is a UConn board, but please, pray tell, is the topic of this thread?
 
Scoe said:
I honestly don't get as sad when the Knicks and Yankees lose, as opposed to UConn . I also know there are Yankee boards and Knicks boards. Also am not gonna try to force others to be sad for me if the Yankees or Knicks lose.
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Agree with you about the UConn stuff...I'd rather all my other favorite teams go 0 and whatever or fold entirely if it meant UConn athletics continues to thrive.
 
Scoe said:
I honestly don't get as sad when the Knicks and Yankees lose, as opposed to UConn . I also know there are Yankee boards and Knicks boards. Also am not gonna try to force others to be sad for me if the Yankees or Knicks lose.
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UConn is definitely my favorite, so I get that, though the Mets are close. But nobody is trying to force you to be sad. He's just explaining why he cares that LeBron lost.

You post on this UConn board about the Yankees winning and losing every year. Even though this is a UConn site I still come here to talk about Mets and Giants news than Mets forums because you people are the ones I interact with far more than those other forums
 
one of the worst voices in sports media, this first round has been one of the most entertaining in a while and it's reflected in the ratings. I wish hoops was always reffed like this. it was funny to see a guy like Austin Reaves not get rewarded with his foul baiting and grift that he gets in the regular season.

 
FfldCntyFan said:
They couldn't sign Hartenstein, that was part of the problem. Their offer couldn't exceed ~$12mm for year one with limited escalations. This is among the senseless things about the current CBA.


I believe the idea was to have KAT play the four (as Randall's replacement). Robinson missing most of the season injured screwed this up.


This is why it's time to move on from Thibs.

With a starting lineup of Robinson, KAT, Anunoby, Bridges & Brunson; with Hart as sixth man, the Knicks cam matchup well defensively at most spots. No other team has two wing defenders the quality OA & MB. With OG playing the four he was giving up too much height too often.

The Bridges trade didn't work out close to what was expected (the prior Nova additions all moved in seamlessly) and yes, KAT will always be deficient on defense. A trade for a competent starting center (presumably for Bridges & Robinson) would help quite a bit. A couple depth pieces will also be needed.
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The irony here is that they may be able sign him after this season, as his OKC contract has a team option and the Thunder may decline and go for a big in the draft.
 
I can't believe the Knicks gutted out that win. I absolutely hate how much iso Thibs runs down the stretch. I think there were 4-5 consecutive empty possessions until he finally called for a Bridges/Brunson PnR and they started getting some good looks.

I think Thibs' job is safe now that he won that series. They're not in Boston's league and won't win the series unless there's a major injury. Tough to fire Thibs if he loses to them but who knows in this league. The team just isn't truly championship caliber. Malone seems like the obvious successor if they make a move.
 
superjohn said:
Despite his numbers he can't be the second best player on a championship team at this point.
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Depends how you're framing it. Swap out Tatum, Mitchell, or SGA for LeBron and he could win the title as the best player on any of those rosters. Forget second best.

His primary limitation as a player right now is his durability. He can't play 40-45 minutes a night like those guys can. That's why he's been so bad in the fourth. But for 30-35 minutes he can still trade punches with anyone. Tim Duncan was arguably still the best player on the 2014 Spurs at age 38, and he only had to play 33 MPG that postseason because they were so deep.

I think what we are finding in this era of hoops is that having the best player (or even two best players) doesn't take you as far as it used to. How else are we to explain guys like Giannis and Jokic going out early so often? Things like depth, smart team building, and coaching matter more now.
 
FfldCntyFan said:
They couldn't sign Hartenstein, that was part of the problem. Their offer couldn't exceed ~$12mm for year one with limited escalations. This is among the senseless things about the current CBA.


I believe the idea was to have KAT play the four (as Randall's replacement). Robinson missing most of the season injured screwed this up.


This is why it's time to move on from Thibs.

With a starting lineup of Robinson, KAT, Anunoby, Bridges & Brunson; with Hart as sixth man, the Knicks cam matchup well defensively at most spots. No other team has two wing defenders the quality OA & MB. With OG playing the four he was giving up too much height too often.

The Bridges trade didn't work out close to what was expected (the prior Nova additions all moved in seamlessly) and yes, KAT will always be deficient on defense. A trade for a competent starting center (presumably for Bridges & Robinson) would help quite a bit. A couple depth pieces will also be needed.
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Thanks yes I forgot that they could not compete with the other offers he was going to get because of the CBA.
Agree on all the other points. Dante was also a huge loss as you say he fit seamlessly and last years team was way more fun to watch.

Hopefully they can figure out how to make the small tweaks to their roster to get the pieces they will need to compete for a chip while Brunson is still at his peak.

If I ever had a sports idol it was Clyde he was my hero as a 10 year old. In his book he had a section on how to wash your face and I swear I followed that process for my entire teen life.
 
navery12 said:
I'd rather package Bridges and Robinson for a legitimate SG, though I don't know who's out there. Brunson, XXX, Hart, OG, KAT would be a perfect starting lineup. Then fill out the bench in FA
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Why is Bridges not that guy? Honest question, I don't understand why it has been so underwhelming
 
CardiacAndre7 said:
Reaves played pretty poorly. Bringing up his regular season stats doesn’t change that fact.
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LeBron unfortunately is a 3rd or 4th or 5th player on a championship team at this point in his career- which is still pretty incredible- go look at Jordan stats & years when he was 39 & 40. This isn’t earth shattering news- think it’s pretty obvious if James is your second best player you ain’t winning anything important.
 
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