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NBA Finals: OKC v Indiana

I just read about this. OKC is a young team, but there was a bit of a “win now” feeling to this team because it is not clear how long a small market team can hold this roster together.
The Celtics are in the same position and they're a big market team. They are looking to jettison some players to get payroll down. The NBA salary rules were put in place specifically to achieve balance and keep teams from dominating for a long period.
 
One thing is certain that I'm happy about. I won't have to hear the chant "O-K-C" for a while.
 
I think JDUB is my favorite players on the team. So humbled, soft spoken and down the earth. I love his interviews they are so comical the way he talks. He is also a hell of a Robin to SGA's Batman.
 
Him and his father are first rate jerks. That is why his NBA players rated him most overrated. Congrats to OKC the best team! What a team win. JDub and Holgrem coming up big this game was huge.
Bruh. You may have a point about his father but I don't know what you're talking about with Hali himself. He was ranked the "most overrated player" in an anonymous poll of his peers and then just about outperformed everyone on the biggest stage. His stats in crunch time are unparalleled and he's a well spoken, well liked kid who didn't mind assuming the roll of the heel. He gained my respect this postseason.
 
I think that the overrated title was due to him being named to USA Olympic Team over veterans deemed more deserving by many.
 
I don't know why you keep repeating this when Indiana forced game 7 and were up 1 at halftime. If anything they lost it when Hali tore his Achilles.
I get what John is saying (I still liked OKC's chances tonight even before Haliburton got hurt), but to me games one and four ended up canceling out much like they did in the Denver series.

For a team that just won the title I feel oddly lukewarm on the Thunder. They were massive favorites in this series and yet I didn't come away convinced that they were the better team. Granted you could say that pretty much every team that's won a title in the last 5-10 years got some luck along the way, but for a team that the numbers will portray as an all-time great I found myself wanting more.
 
Bruh. You may have a point about his father but I don't know what you're talking about with Hali himself. He was ranked the "most overrated player" in an anonymous poll of his peers and then just about outperformed everyone on the biggest stage. His stats in crunch time are unparalleled and he's a well spoken, well liked kid who didn't mind assuming the roll of the heel. He gained my respect this postseason.
Tell that to a Knicks fan which I'm not. I'm just happy OKC and Celtics have won it both the last 2 years. Those are my favorite teams.
 
The Celtics are in the same position and they're a big market team. They are looking to jettison some players to get payroll down. The NBA salary rules were put in place specifically to achieve balance and keep teams from dominating for a long period.

There is varying appetite among franchises to pay luxury tax. The Golden State ownership group has very deep pockets, as does the Clippers, and they can do whatever they want. The Cavaliers and Suns are loaded, and Bucks and Pistons have the cash to ride out a few seasons. The Lakers being a family business was becoming a problem despite being in LA, but that will change. New Orleans, Memphis and Indiana ownerships do not have the net worth or market to run a big tax for multiple seasons. The Celtics and Spurs’ head owners are among the least wealthy in the NBA, but there appears to be more financial resources behind the lead owner and both are in pretty big markets.

I don’t get the sense the OKC can afford multiple big tax years, but we may be finding out in a few years.
 
It’s strange - but I remember so few Achilles injuries back in the day. Isiah Thomas (the Bad Boys one) and Dominique Wilkins had them at the end of their careers in the 90s. Then Kobe at the end of his career. I’m sure it probably happened to some others I don’t remember. But back then “load management” wasn’t a thing. Everyone just played through pain and had shorter careers.

But Achilles ruptures seem like they’ve become much more common in the last 5-10 years. Part of me wonders about the extra emphasis on weight training and maybe that putting more strain on a lower leg tendon … which would almost be a metaphorical parallel to the original Achilles mythology (gaining extra powers but leaving one area vulnerable). But guys like Durant and Haliburton aren’t exactly bulked up.
In this case physics rules. While you are bulking up and gaining flexibility in muscle you aren't bulking up the tendons supporting that muscle. Its the same with Tommy John surgeries. Pitchers are 6'5" 220 pound behemoths torquing on that elbow. Today planned Tommy John surgery is a routine part of pitcher development
 
Him and his father are first rate jerks. That is why his NBA players rated him most overrated. Congrats to OKC the best team! What a team win. JDub and Holgrem coming up big this game was huge.
This is ridiculous. Congrats to OKC for beating a team without their star and glueman.
If SGA went down, I doubt OKC wins. OKC has all the parts but are hard to watch. The "lowly" Pacers exposed a few areas that other teams will now take advantage going forward. IMO, Chet is soft and the most overrated player on the roster game in and game out. Without Caruso this team loses to Pacers in 6. Hardly impressed after watching 7 games.
As a UConn person - Congrats to Coach Daigneault - remember your roots!!!
 
The Boneyard is not known for nuance with its takes. This Indiana team is a good team that got hot at the right time and got a lot of help to make the NBA Championship. OKC is one of the best teams of the last 10 years, but experience matters in the playoffs and imperfect Denver and Indiana teams both gave OKC a run. If Indiana is a great team for taking OKC to 7, that makes Denver a great team for taking OKC to 7. Is anyone willing to jump on that bandwagon? The Knicks gave Indiana a battle in the Conference finals, but the Knicks benefitted from a few boneheaded plays by a very young Detroit team in Round 1, and the Knicks and Pacers both benefitted from major injuries to the Cavaliers and Celtics.

Halliburton is a very good, not great player. Siakam is the best player on the Pacers, there is excellent team chemistry, and Carlisle is good at using his bench to keep players fresh over a season. If this year's playoffs were played 9 more times, the Pacers probably wouldn't make the Finals again in any of them. A true upset run is so unusual in the NBA that people are overreacting to it. but his is more like Butler making back-to-back NCAA Titles 15 years ago (a well-coached good team catching some breaks) than the birth of a new powerhouse in the NBA.

There is a generational change happening in the NBA which I have discussed elsewhere. I expect big jumps by the Spurs, Rockets and Pistons next year, and the Cavaliers and Thunder will be back at or near the top of the East and West respectively. A lot of long-time fixtures in the playoff mix, like the Lakers, Suns and Bucks, are probably going to get worse before they get better. Knicks and Celtics are trying to figure out if they have the stamina and salary cap room to run it back one or two more times. This year's playoff bracket looks quite a big different from the last few, and next year's will look even more different.
 
The Boneyard is not known for nuance with its takes. This Indiana team is a good team that got hot at the right time and got a lot of help to make the NBA Championship. OKC is one of the best teams of the last 10 years, but experience matters in the playoffs and imperfect Denver and Indiana teams both gave OKC a run. If Indiana is a great team for taking OKC to 7, that makes Denver a great team for taking OKC to 7. Is anyone willing to jump on that bandwagon? The Knicks gave Indiana a battle in the Conference finals, but the Knicks benefitted from a few boneheaded plays by a very young Detroit team in Round 1, and the Knicks and Pacers both benefitted from major injuries to the Cavaliers and Celtics.

Halliburton is a very good, not great player. Siakam is the best player on the Pacers, there is excellent team chemistry, and Carlisle is good at using his bench to keep players fresh over a season. If this year's playoffs were played 9 more times, the Pacers probably wouldn't make the Finals again in any of them. A true upset run is so unusual in the NBA that people are overreacting to it. but his is more like Butler making back-to-back NCAA Titles 15 years ago (a well-coached good team catching some breaks) than the birth of a new powerhouse in the NBA.

There is a generational change happening in the NBA which I have discussed elsewhere. I expect big jumps by the Spurs, Rockets and Pistons next year, and the Cavaliers and Thunder will be back at or near the top of the East and West respectively. A lot of long-time fixtures in the playoff mix, like the Lakers, Suns and Bucks, are probably going to get worse before they get better. Knicks and Celtics are trying to figure out if they have the stamina and salary cap room to run it back one or two more times. This year's playoff bracket looks quite a big different from the last few, and next year's will look even more different.
It’s funny how you speak in absolutes as if you aren’t wrong about so much here.
 
This is ridiculous. Congrats to OKC for beating a team without their star and glueman.
If SGA went down, I doubt OKC wins. OKC has all the parts but are hard to watch. The "lowly" Pacers exposed a few areas that other teams will now take advantage going forward. IMO, Chet is soft and the most overrated player on the roster game in and game out. Without Caruso this team loses to Pacers in 6. Hardly impressed after watching 7 games.
As a UConn person - Congrats to Coach Daigneault - remember your roots!!!
Caruso was valuable on both ends but I would say Dort’s defense was the 2nd most important aspect to their championship.

Totally agree on Chet. If Indy had a more traditional 5, Chet would’ve been exposed more frequently than he was. Turner took him out in games 1 and 3 but was not consistent in that effort.
 
I hope you aren't talking about me as I definitely know about UConn basketball and have made some great opinions going all the way back to one of the first people who wanted KO gone. Calling posters names is childish. Like some of your posts haven't been awful.
That may be. Your opinion of Tyrese is simply wrong though.
 
That may be. Your opinion of Tyrese is simply wrong though.
Well it is my opinion. I don't think he one of the best players in the NBA. Not everyone likes each player the same. Just go back to threads talking about Jordan vs. Bryant. We all have players we like and Halliburton isn't one I like. I'm actually surprised there is so many people who like him since all the Knicks fans on this site who despise Indiana.
 
Well it is my opinion. I don't think he one of the best players in the NBA. Not everyone likes each player the same.
True, but that doesn't make an misguided opinion valid. Like this:

Guy: "I think the grass is purple"
Sane person: "Huh? It's various shades of green. What are you talking about?"
Guy: "Well, that's my opinion. Not everyone like each lawn the same"
 
Need as much luck as talent to win the NBA title these days. No repeat for a while now. It becomes a war of attrition. Last year, the Cs were mostly injury free, and had an easy path as other teams were hurt.

This year, the opposite. 4 of their 5 starters were hurt before or during the playoffs. IMO, Cs had the best talent and depth but you can't win with so many impact players hurt. Too bad as I think OKC Cs would have been a good matchup.
 
True, but that doesn't make an misguided opinion valid. Like this:

Guy: "I think the grass is purple"
Sane person: "Huh? It's various shades of green. What are you talking about?"
Guy: "Well, that's my opinion. Not everyone like each lawn the same"
Haliburton isn't even a top 25 in the league. Yeah he is clutch but that is about it. He isn't in the same league with SGA and I think JDUB is better than him too. Definitely the Pacers can't complain about their injuries as they have lucked out with other teams the last 2 years. Milwaukee with Dane, Cleveland with Darius Garland, Evan Mobley, Hunter and even Mitchel hurting his ankle. Knicks with Townes this year. Last year the Kincks had OG, Josh Hart and Brunson broke his hand and before that the Bucks without Giannis and Dane got injured. Kharma just came back and bit them this time. It is part of winning to stay injury free. They have been a lucky team beating other teams when their best players were injured or not playing.
 
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Need as much luck as talent to win the NBA title these days.
It's luck and it's also depth. OKC only even got that series to seven games because its bench outplayed Indiana's. It beat Denver for the same reason.

The last three teams to win the title have done so in large part because of depth. The Celtics were able to overcome the Porzingis loss last year because they had no problem playing 9-10 guys even when he was out. This year a couple guys started to look old and some other guys may have been asked to do too much as a result. The Nuggets lost Jeff Green, Caldwell-Pope, and Bruce Brown and now they have no margin for error with their health.

As a neutral fan, I don't love it. It feels too much like the NFL or even MLB at times where it just comes down to health, variance, and depth. The NBA used to be unique in that you needed your best player to be great. I haven't felt that the last two years with Tatum and SGA.

But I do get how the parity and unpredictability of it can be seen as a good thing.
 
Need as much luck as talent to win the NBA title these days. No repeat for a while now. It becomes a war of attrition. Last year, the Cs were mostly injury free, and had an easy path as other teams were hurt.

This year, the opposite. 4 of their 5 starters were hurt before or during the playoffs. IMO, Cs had the best talent and depth but you can't win with so many impact players hurt. Too bad as I think OKC Cs would have been a good matchup.
Speaking of which, kill the stupid 7-10 seed games, maybe run first real series 5 games. The fact playoffs can last close to 2.5 months is nuts. I was getting to the point to playoff exhaustion. No idea what the point of 2 days between finals games is. Keep it flowing Adam. Hoops and marathons don’t go, especially when you see stars going down like flies.
 
Speaking of which, kill the stupid 7-10 seed games, maybe run first real series 5 games. The fact playoffs can last close to 2.5 months is nuts. I was getting to the point to playoff exhaustion. No idea what the point of 2 days between finals games is.
Roster sizes need to be increased, Cam Spencer for instance wasn't playoff eligible due to a stupid rule.

Memphis was battered with injuries, and Cam would've been playoff eligible in any other sport. What's the point of even having 2 way contracts if players aren't playoff eligible.
 
Roster sizes need to be increased, Cam Spencer for instance wasn't playoff eligible due to a stupid rule.

Memphis was battered with injuries, and Cam would've been playoff eligible in any other sport. What's the point of even having 2 way contracts if players aren't playoff eligible.
We have two top 10 players that will be out all of next season due to the marathon. Achilles are usually wear and tear injuries, and quite traumatic in a sport where leaping and cutting is what the sport is built on.

 
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