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Yikes.. Celtics really got shafted here. Just haaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaate to see it :)

Apparently there was an actual deal on the table to Indiana for Turner (in principle)

I'm curious what the thought process behind his opt out is? Does he think he's going to do better than 34 million per? That's insanity.

Would need to be more than turner to fit cap wise
 
The rumor is Hayward has a 3 year offer for around $80M from the Knicks
 
This is still a good result for Boston.

And Kanter is being traded as well. More picks plus another exemption.
Getting Turner would be great for them, can't see how they could possibly convince them to add Oladipo
 
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Getting Turner would be great for them, can't see how they could possibly convince them to add Oladipo
Agree, I'd think its either Turner or Oladipo - no way both unless Boston put Smart in play (GWillliams and/or any other reserves, draft picks or other chattel will not suffice).
ON the either/or, Turner fits the need better, but I'd be psyched for the potential upside of Oladipo, he's repetitive but so was Hayward and VO could be flipped for a big mid-season if he gets healthy and returns to form. They must have some plan because their only bigs right now are Theis and.... um, ....er...Tacko?!
 
Agree, I'd think its either Turner or Oladipo - no way both unless Boston put Smart in play (GWillliams and/or any other reserves, draft picks or other chattel will not suffice).
ON the either/or, Turner fits the need better, but I'd be psyched for the potential upside of Oladipo, he's repetitive but so was Hayward and VO could be flipped for a big mid-season if he gets healthy and returns to form. They must have some plan because their only bigs right now are Theis and.... um, ....er...Tacko?!

Danny could, and arguably should put Romeo in play for the turner/dipo package
 

My guess is he'll get paid as much as possible by the teams that seem to never win because they give max contracts to guys like him and then when he's over 30 he'll want to win and take pay cuts. Crazy he's still just 26, he'll be a dominant rebounder rim runner well into his 30's.
 
Good for Hayward but the Hornets are nuts. Maybe this is why they continue to be one of the worst franchises in the NBA.
They don't even have the cap space to afford him, makes no sense. Hope the Knicks are on the phone tonight offering to take Batum or Zeller with picks
 
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With Batum's dead cap from being stretched the Hornets are paying $39m for Hayward each of the next three years. MJ and Kupchak are horrendous executives. The Hornets still aren't a playoff team.

Disappointing that the Knicks couldn't get something out of that situation but I'm not sure a front office who's so bad that they sign Hayward to that deal is smart enough to try to get out of Batum's $27m remaining salary.

Boston losing Hayward for nothing, after losing Horford and Kyrie for nothing, is unbelievable. The Kemba signing was a mistake (as much as we love Kemba). I'm amazed Ainge still has a job. He's living off that BK trade from eons ago and the Fultz/Tatum draft swap.
 
Jeff teague and tristan thompson are celtics wannamaker to golden state.
 
Lakers are killing it this off-season. Schroeder, Harrell and Matthews are great pickups. It appears Davis is coming back and LeBron continues to be a freak of nature at his age.
 
With Batum's dead cap from being stretched the Hornets are paying $39m for Hayward each of the next three years. MJ and Kupchak are horrendous executives. The Hornets still aren't a playoff team.

Disappointing that the Knicks couldn't get something out of that situation but I'm not sure a front office who's so bad that they sign Hayward to that deal is smart enough to try to get out of Batum's $27m remaining salary.

Boston losing Hayward for nothing, after losing Horford and Kyrie for nothing, is unbelievable. The Kemba signing was a mistake (as much as we love Kemba). I'm amazed Ainge still has a job. He's living off that BK trade from eons ago and the Fultz/Tatum draft swap.
I don't like Ainge's mid-first drafting choices, Langford was a HUGE mistake lat year (arguably worst first round pick vs if they take Brandon Clarke they might have been in finals), BUT both the pretty recent Tatum swap and the Pierce/Garnett Brooklyn trade were all-time fleecings. Celtics have been competitive every year, Hawyard signing was a disaster from start to finish but the CLT contract isn't Ainge's fault and neither were the injuries.

He'd be a distraction and therefore likely a bad signing, but I feel that the Celtics need to pay Isiaih Thomas something to get rid of the bad juju from dumping him with an injury sustained in service to C's.
 
I don't like Ainge's mid-first drafting choices, Langford was a HUGE mistake lat year (arguably worst first round pick vs if they take Brandon Clarke they might have been in finals), BUT both the pretty recent Tatum swap and the Pierce/Garnett Brooklyn trade were all-time fleecings. Celtics have been competitive every year, Hawyard signing was a disaster from start to finish but the CLT contract isn't Ainge's fault and neither were the injuries.

He'd be a distraction and therefore likely a bad signing, but I feel that the Celtics need to pay Isiaih Thomas something to get rid of the bad juju from dumping him with an injury sustained in service to C's.

Just taking thybull at 14 and they’re probably in the finals.

The Tatum trade was only a fleece because fultz got the yips. It was a very light trade to move up to 1-1 historically.
 
With the biannual exception adding a guy like Wayne Ellington wouldn’t be the worst move.

provides the shooting they need off the bench.
 
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Just taking thybull at 14 and they’re probably in the finals.

The Tatum trade was only a fleece because fultz got the yips. It was a very light trade to move up to 1-1 historically.
I agree on Thybulle, he might have been even better than Clarke in that he would have made Smart expendable. Smart being their most trade-able contract & the guy that jacked up 20 shots when forced into starters minutes and role due to Hayward's ineffectiveness.

IF Ainge took Fultz he'd be justifiably gone. To trade down for an NBA all-star in exchange for a guy that barely plays and is traded for a 2nd rounder is a fleece regardless. If Portland traded down to #2 and took Durant instead of Oden or 2 to #3 and took Jordan instead of Bowie, these things would be talked about as long as there is an NBA. Let's see what Tatum does (an hopefully Fultz salvages more of his career), but that trade is within a whisker of legendary draft day swaps & blunders

And of course if Philly had Tatum they probably win the finals in 2019 and make it again in 2020.
 
I agree on Thybulle, he might have been even better than Clarke in that he would have made Smart expendable. Smart being their most trade-able contract & the guy that jacked up 20 shots when forced into starters minutes and role due to Hayward's ineffectiveness.

IF Ainge took Fultz he'd be justifiably gone. To trade down for an NBA all-star in exchange for a guy that barely plays and is traded for a 2nd rounder is a fleece regardless. If Portland traded down to #2 and took Durant instead of Oden or 2 to #3 and took Jordan instead of Bowie, these things would be talked about as long as there is an NBA. Let's see what Tatum does (an hopefully Fultz salvages more of his career), but that trade is within a whisker of legendary draft day swaps & blunders

And of course if Philly had Tatum they probably win the finals in 2019 and make it again in 2020.

Im more in the Danny probably should’ve just traded for kawhi school of thought.

maybe he bounces, but you probably win it all in 2019 and that’s worth it.
 
Im more in the Danny probably should’ve just traded for kawhi school of thought.

maybe he bounces, but you probably win it all in 2019 and that’s worth it.
I would not give up the next 4 and 6 years of Brown and Tatum respectively for that one year of Kawhi - EVEN if it netted a guaranteed championship. You traded one of those guys to get Kawhi. To some extent the process, the regular seasons and the playoffs are worth more to me than the end result b/c I mostly like watching good basketball games. Of course the ultimate desire is to win, but as fans it is not like we 'get' anything for that.

I'm spoiled via seeing my teams win championships in multiple sports, so my fandom is similar to a player who has won a chip and then prioritizes the best situation versus just chasing rings. A very competitive team for 5+ years is much better to me than 1 championship and 4 no-title chance years.
 
I would not give up the next 4 and 6 years of Brown and Tatum respectively for that one year of Kawhi - EVEN if it netted a guaranteed championship. You traded one of those guys to get Kawhi. To some extent the process, the regular seasons and the playoffs are worth more to me than the end result b/c I mostly like watching good basketball games. Of course the ultimate desire is to win, but as fans it is not like we 'get' anything for that.

I'm spoiled via seeing my teams win championships in multiple sports, so my fandom is similar to a player who has won a chip and then prioritizes the best situation versus just chasing rings. A very competitive team for 5+ years is much better to me than 1 championship and 4 no-title chance years.

They also could’ve used kyrie to make the deal.
 
They also could’ve used kyrie to make the deal.
That could have been the greatest head case swap in league history. Others
Big Man: Demarcus Cousins for Hassan Whiteside
Fights Club: Xavier McDaniel for Ron Artest
Gun Club: Gilbert Arenas for Kevin Porter Jr.
All World: World B. Free for Metta World Peace
50% is 90% mental: Mackey Sasser for Chuck Knoblach...whoops, wrong sport
 
The 2020 Edition of second round steals:

Trevelin Queen - Sweet analytics guy. Shoots the 3, elite block and steal rates. His statistical projection is like Michael Carter-Williams with a 3 ball. But, he's older, small school competition. There's risk. But I'm loving the gamble.

Paul Reed- analytics beast. Legit 6-9, 220 pounds with a standing reach of 9-1. He can do it all....except shoot. Good rebounding and block rates. If Reed develops any kind of shot, he's a legit starter on a title team. Even without his shot there's a role for him as a small ball 5. He's taller than some of the center prospects going in round 1.

Payton Pritchard- Guy had a legit case to be NPOY this year. Analytically he checks a lot of box. Doesn't have a negative reach like Terry. He can be a reliable backup PG, a MLE caliber player.

Mason Jones- Starting to think the new market inefficiency is old guys. Jones projects to do a lot of good things in the NBA. He can shoot it, he can play some D. Those 2 things alone give him a chance. But, he also fouls a lot and turns the ball over too much. Playing with a good NBA PG would be huge for him to hopefully cut down on some of that.

Killian Tillie - if he stays healthy, he's probably a steal. the only reason he's on this list is injuries, it almost feels like cheating to include him. But a worthy gamble at some point.

Kaleb Wesson- a weird quandy. He's big, with a huge 7'2 wingspan. he can be a legit center. Plus he can shoot it, even from 3. He's got decent block and steal numbers. And supposedly has dropped some weight and looks great in work outs. And he can hit FTs at a decent clip (73%). But he's still not finishing well. part of that is his style, especially down low. He will need to work on that. But there are some tools here to carve out a nice career. Role could be a Brook Lopez type.

Bump.

Celtics fans know why.

Also Paul reed has a bpm of 10 right now. Killing it in limited time so far
 
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That could have been the greatest head case swap in league history. Others
Big Man: Demarcus Cousins for Hassan Whiteside
Fights Club: Xavier McDaniel for Ron Artest
Gun Club: Gilbert Arenas for Kevin Porter Jr.
All World: World B. Free for Metta World Peace
50% is 90% mental: Mackey Sasser for Chuck Knoblach...whoops, wrong sport

Those are some fun fantasy deals lol
 
Bump.

Celtics fans know why.

Also Paul reed has a bpm of 10 right now. Killing it in limited time so far

Pritchard looks better than that right now. Looks like a legit, long term starting NBA PG to me. If so, that is a transformational pick for the Celtics. Kemba will be back, but can play fewer minutes and the team has his replacement.

Nesmith hasn't shown anything, but there is plenty of time. This is an important season to see if Bob Williams can finally show enough. Celtics need to upgrade up front.
 
Pritchard looks better than that right now. Looks like a legit, long term starting NBA PG to me. If so, that is a transformational pick for the Celtics. Kemba will be back, but can play fewer minutes and the team has his replacement.

Nesmith hasn't shown anything, but there is plenty of time. This is an important season to see if Bob Williams can finally show enough. Celtics need to upgrade up front.

I think Pritchard can be a Derek fisher for the 2000 lakers type.

but I mean 8-10m player isn’t bad. He can be a starter type player. But not star upside
 
I think Pritchard can be a Derek fisher for the 2000 lakers type.

but I mean 8-10m player isn’t bad. He can be a starter type player. But not star upside
Tristan Thompson has likened P-Rabbit to Dellavadova & I think that's a decent comp, though Delly was D only - couldn't throw a lob pass to save his life way-back-when in finals and cannot shoot. So rich man's Delly that could be a fill-in starter and certainly finishes some games.

I'm a little worried but not overly so about Nesmith. I saw parts of two preseason games and he looked very good in spurts, albeit lost at times. He's super long, recovers well defensively (a couple of impressive athletic 'he came from nowhere' blocks) and can definitely shoot. If the Development League was playing I'd be pretty confident that he'd be ready to contribute by the 2nd half of the season. Absent that, maybe Carson Edwards inexplicable recent minutes are a shot across Nesmith's bow to get him to step up.

But as Pritchard can shoot, defend & pass the C's don't need Nesmith
Walker, Brown, Tatum, Smart, TThompson, Pritchard, Theis, GWilliams (defends bigger players well), RWilliams (finally improving!) & Semi (becoming consistent from 3) is 10, more than enough guys/options come playoffs. I was worried about the Celtics early, now I'm intrigued as Tatum & Brown continue to improve and the complimentary pieces are all functional. If Kemba is healthy they are right there with the top 4 in east (Buck, Sixers, Heat, Celtics) - right now I'd say all have +20% chance to make finals.
 

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