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Message: [QUOTE="NielsisGood, post: 1911036, member: 7503"] No, not patronizing at all... You were able to see that Batum was a good passer years before his coaches? Pretty rich coming from a guy who links to BBRef and NBA stats pages and then proceeds to completely botch how many assists he's been averaging. He also doesn't have much of a low post game. Did you actually read the entire article in your first link? Were you assuming I wouldn't? The writer both explains any critiques by acknowledging the grind of an NBA regular season, and then goes on to praise Batum for his defensive work in the playoffs. The Zach Lowe article is fairly vague and doesn't provide any hard statistics, and both your advanced stats links didn't take me to the correct pages. If this is all that you can find to make your case, then it's probably not a case worth trying to make. 1. Sure 2. Maybe if this were 2011 3. Definitely too early to tell 4. Sure 5. No 6. No 7. Sure 8. Sure 9. Really a starter in name only and usually isn't even on the court at the end of games when the team is up 10. See 3 11. No So yeah... About 5th. I think he's high end. [/QUOTE]