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NBA all-star weekend

Huskyforlife said:
I think you could argue Jokic/Shai/Wemby/Luka/Tatum need the old guard to retire so people will shift their attention to the new era. As those 5 win championships, they’ll become household names. People won’t suddenly stop caring about basketball after the legends retire, the new guys will grow their popularity quickly.
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They already do win championships. Giannis, Joker, and, Tatum all won. Tatum and Giannis are boring personalities that don't move the needle. Joker has been the best player for 5 years in a row and doesn't move the needle. I think he's funny but he wants nothing to do with the NBA other than playing games and trying to win. SGA is a quiet guy, I love his game but it's not at all flashy. Wemby, once the novelty thing wears off he's another quiet guy from another country. We already have posters saying they find his game unappealing to watch. Luka would probably be the closest to moving the needle but there's no guarantee he'll ever get in shape and take the game as seriously as he should.
 
superjohn said:
They already do win championships. Giannis, Joker, and, Tatum all won. Tatum and Giannis are boring personalities that don't move the needle. Joker has been the best player for 5 years in a row and doesn't move the needle. I think he's funny but he wants nothing to do with the NBA other than playing games and trying to win. SGA is a quiet guy, I love his game but it's not at all flashy. Wemby, once the novelty thing wears off he's another quiet guy from another country. We already have posters saying they find his game unappealing to watch. Luka would probably be the closest to moving the needle but there's no guarantee he'll ever get in shape and take the game as seriously as he should.
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So you’re saying what the NBA is missing is big loud personalities? Like Danny Hurley, lol?
 
Unfortunately we're in a media environment where nothing moves the needle anymore because the fans won't let anything move the needle. NBA fans hate the NBA

6'7 point guard (Luka) that averages close to a 30pt triple double who is a nightly 50pt threat and lethal anywhere from the rim to 35 feet? meh, too fat and slow
7'0 center (Jokic) that averages close to a 30pt triple double who is the best passing big man in basketball history? meh, he doesn't care enough
6'8 wing (Tatum) that averages close to 30 a game, can break anyone down 1v1 and hit sidestep contested 3s while leading the best team in the NBA in a historic market? meh, boring
6'6 PG (SGA) that has an oldschool game of dribble combo breakdowns living in the midrange, averaging over 30 points a game on 50% FG? meh, boring
6'10 athletic freak of nature (Giannis) that is a league leader in rebounds while averaging 30 points a game and being completely unstoppable? meh, can't shoot
7'4 unicorn (Wemby) that leads the league in blocks, is DPOY frontrunner, averages 24/11/4 at 21 years old and is the centerpiece of a young team that has dynasty potential? LOL 7'4 GUY CAN'T POST UP!!!!
 
REB1094 said:
Unfortunately we're in a media environment where nothing moves the needle anymore because the fans won't let anything move the needle. NBA fans hate the NBA

6'7 point guard (Luka) that averages close to a 30pt triple double who is a nightly 50pt threat and lethal anywhere from the rim to 35 feet? meh, too fat and slow
7'0 center (Jokic) that averages close to a 30pt triple double who is the best passing big man in basketball history? meh, he doesn't care enough
6'8 wing (Tatum) that averages close to 30 a game, can break anyone down 1v1 and hit sidestep contested 3s while leading the best team in the NBA in a historic market? meh, boring
6'6 PG (SGA) that has an oldschool game of dribble combo breakdowns living in the midrange, averaging over 30 points a game on 50% FG? meh, boring
6'10 athletic freak of nature (Giannis) that is a league leader in rebounds while averaging 30 points a game and being completely unstoppable? meh, can't shoot
7'4 unicorn (Wemby) that leads the league in blocks, is DPOY frontrunner, averages 24/11/4 at 21 years old and is the centerpiece of a young team that has dynasty potential? LOL 7'4 GUY CAN'T POST UP!!!!
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What’s missing is unlikely to happen much ever again in economics driven sports. Players aren’t playing for the name on the front of the jersey.

Juice, rivalries, disdain, drama, narratives. Sports is entertainment first and foremost. Does it even exist at the NBA level? We’re barely holding on in college, Pitino-Hurley may be the best we have across the sport. Duke-UNC is fizzling out in front of our eyes. Sox-Yanks feels dead in the Yankees personality-less era. Right now the premier leagues have the best there are.
 
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REB1094 said:
Unfortunately we're in a media environment where nothing moves the needle anymore because the fans won't let anything move the needle. NBA fans hate the NBA

6'7 point guard (Luka) that averages close to a 30pt triple double who is a nightly 50pt threat and lethal anywhere from the rim to 35 feet? meh, too fat and slow
7'0 center (Jokic) that averages close to a 30pt triple double who is the best passing big man in basketball history? meh, he doesn't care enough
6'8 wing (Tatum) that averages close to 30 a game, can break anyone down 1v1 and hit sidestep contested 3s while leading the best team in the NBA in a historic market? meh, boring
6'6 PG (SGA) that has an oldschool game of dribble combo breakdowns living in the midrange, averaging over 30 points a game on 50% FG? meh, boring
6'10 athletic freak of nature (Giannis) that is a league leader in rebounds while averaging 30 points a game and being completely unstoppable? meh, can't shoot
7'4 unicorn (Wemby) that leads the league in blocks, is DPOY frontrunner, averages 24/11/4 at 21 years old and is the centerpiece of a young team that has dynasty potential? LOL 7'4 GUY CAN'T POST UP!!!!
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There’s not many players with the Jordan archetype of being elite, high flying wing scorers.

The closest on this list is Tatum and SGA. SGA is pretty fun to watch for me personally. The problems with Tatum have been spoken about extensively.

It’s weird in a time period where guys are suppose to be more skilled and athletic than ever that these kind of players aren’t being produced anymore when you can find them by the dozen in the 2000s.
 
HuskyWarrior611 said:
There’s not many players with the Jordan archetype of being elite, high flying wing scorers.

The closest on this list is Tatum and SGA. SGA is pretty fun to watch for me personally. The problems with Tatum have been spoken about extensively.

It’s weird in a time period where guys are suppose to be more skilled and athletic than ever that these kind of players aren’t being produced anymore when you can find them by the dozen in the 2000s.
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Talent isn’t the issue at all.
 
RuffRuff said:
Talent isn’t the issue at all.
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The wings from the 2000s would absolutely destroy the wings of today.

Maybe the PGs, it’s debatable based on what you value.

The bigs are the main position that’s light years better today.
 
HuskyWarrior611 said:
The wings from the 2000s would absolutely destroy the wings of today.

Maybe the PGs, it’s debatable based on what you value.

The bigs are the main position that’s light years better today.
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The NBA overall is the deepest and most talented it has ever been.
 
CardiacAndre7 said:
The NBA overall is the deepest and most talented it has ever been.
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If you want to say the league is deep with talent, sure.

I don’t think what we’re saying is mutually exclusive.
 
HuskyWarrior611 said:
If you want to say the league is deep with talent, sure.

I don’t think what we’re saying is mutually exclusive.
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There is the most high level talent in the league at one time there every has been.

It’s also the deepest.
 
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CardiacAndre7 said:
The NBA overall is the deepest and most talented it has ever been.
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Talent isn't the problem, style of play is the problem. People don't want to watch teams hoist up 50 threes in a game. So many athletic players yet their athleticism largely isn't being showcased. That's part of Castle's appeal, he's attacking off the dribble getting to the rim and putting people on posters in the halfcourt which is increasingly rare in today's NBA.
 
CardiacAndre7 said:
There is the most high level talent in the league at one time there every has been.

It’s also the deepest.
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I made clear what my stance was.

The bigs today is light years ahead of the time where it was Shaq and the field. Even though I’m not sure if any are better than Shaq. Obviously Joker has a great argument.

But do you disagree with the statement that guys like Kobe, TMac, LeBron, Melo, Wade, and KD were better than this crop of Edward’s, Booker, Tatum, etc.?
 
HuskyWarrior611 said:
I made clear what my stance was.

The bigs today is light years ahead of the time where it was Shaq and the field. Even though I’m not sure if any are better than Shaq. Obviously Joker has a great argument.

But do you disagree with the statement that guys like Kobe, TMac, LeBron, Melo, Wade, and KD were better than this crop of Edward’s, Booker, Tatum, etc.?
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Two of the best guys on that list are still playing at an incredibly high level. It’s certainly deeper, and PG play is at an all time high as well.
 
Scoe said:
Like I had mentioned earlier LeBron ruined the dunk contest by not participating in it as a rookie and then no else wanted to do it.

Ok the allstar game was still pretty good going into the 2010s yes was high scoring no one is saying they should play like it's the playoffs it's an allstar game after all at least there was some competition.



Kobe as an historian of the game knew right then and there that the allstar game changed forever even Melo knew.

Just go back to East vs West. Also bring back the NBA on NBC and CBS, TNT is good but bring back the old theme music. When you mess with tradition less people will tune in.
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Get rid of any espn contracts
 
CardiacAndre7 said:
Two of the best guys on that list are still playing at an incredibly high level. It’s certainly deeper, and PG play is at an all time high as well.
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So young KD and young LeBron and everyone on that list vs current Bron and KD and the young guys.

You think today’s crop is better? I just want a yes or no.
 
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HuskyWarrior611 said:
So young KD and young LeBron and everyone on that list vs current Bron and KD and the young guys.

You think today’s crop is better? I just want a yes or no.
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Yes overall much deeper and more talent, i’ve said this many times before.
 
HuskyWarrior611 said:
I made clear what my stance was.

The bigs today is light years ahead of the time where it was Shaq and the field. Even though I’m not sure if any are better than Shaq. Obviously Joker has a great argument.

But do you disagree with the statement that guys like Kobe, TMac, LeBron, Melo, Wade, and KD were better than this crop of Edward’s, Booker, Tatum, etc.?
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Do you think todays bigs could go toe to toe with Shaq, Olajuwon, Ewing, Robinson, Sabonis, etc?
 
CardiacAndre7 said:
Yes overall much deeper and more talent, i’ve said this many times before.
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Cracking Up Lol GIF
 
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HuskyWarrior611 said:
Cracking Up Lol GIF
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What do you even mean by the other generation? LeBron’s best years were 2012-2020, KD same. TMac was before that, Wade’s best years before that. You said 2000’s. You’re adding together 2000’s and 2010’s. You gotta be consistent.
 
CardiacAndre7 said:
What do you even mean by the other generation? LeBron’s best years were 2012-2020, KD same. TMac was before that, Wade’s best years before that. You said 2000’s. You’re adding together 2000’s and 2010’s. You gotta be consistent.
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Bron carried the Cavs to the Finals in 2007. If you want to remove KD fine.

Wade won in 2006. T Mac won his scoring titles in 2002-2003. What are you talking about.
 
CardiacAndre7 said:
Two of the best guys on that list are still playing at an incredibly high level. It’s certainly deeper, and PG play is at an all time high as well.
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Also, PG play is not better than it was in the 2010s when it was guys like Rose, Westbrook, Wall, Rondo with guys like CP3, Deron Williams, and Kidd still being high level players plus more.

The only thing that is at arguably at an all-time high these days is the center position. Oh and Steph of course.
 
When the NBA left NBC the media coverage changed forever, Kobe carried the NBA into the 2010s and then Lebron couldn’t take Kobe’s torch, that he took from MJ.

Its simple go back to NBA on NBC with the old theme music and a full version of round ball rock not a new supped up shortened version of it and have the intros with the stars of todays era. TNT is good, just go back to East vs West. The inside the NBA crew being honored was a cool moment but let’s be real it was a coverup and the whole coverage was one huge charade.

Just like a lot things in sports it’s constantly touched and played with and suprise suprise the product gets ruined. When you have a gold standard of success leave it the hell alone. Don’t lay a finger on fine art.
 
NBA players today are just much better at everything besides maybe post ups. There I things I like about past generations more( like creative passing point guards) but the skill level is at a different level now, as it should be.
However, if you gave the shoes to players now that the legends in the 80s and before wore, they would refuse to suit up and if they did they probably would have a hard time doing much. So that says something too
 
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