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This harping on and denigrating of Ms. Gabby's BB potential may just be the biggest bone-headed analysis
in the history of the 'Yard.

Olympic-class athletes tend to transfer skills very neatly from one discipline to another...just watch.
 
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You would not put Saniya inside except for an occasional high speed slashing 2 would you?
Nope. I just don't think we need a slasher or around the basket type player as a starter, that's really it for me. As a spark off the bench, sure. I don't think anyone is denigrating Gabby's potential. As I've said with no real outside threat, defending this team becomes easier. One thing we will miss about K besides her momentum shifting 3s, is that she forced the defense to put at least one person on her 20 feet away from the basket creating a lot more space for everyone else.
 

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This harping on and denigrating of Ms. Gabby's BB potential may just be the biggest bone-headed analysis
in the history of the 'Yard.

Olympic-class athletes tend to transfer skills very neatly from one discipline to another...just watch.
I don't see a lot of denigration going on here - what I see is a comparison of Gabby's skills demonstrated last year to other very good basketball player's skills, and a projection of how those skills may have changed and can be blended into starting line-ups and the team as a whole.
Beyond her free throws, I do not remember Gabby taking any shots beyond around five feet from the basket last year - she may have, but if she did they were not memorable or very plentiful. And her free throw shooting is not something to hang one's hope for the future on. I suspect she will be both a much better free throw shooter and a more proficient mid-range shooter this coming year. And I suspect she will be a very good player and see more time in meaningful games - but I don't personally think she will be the best option for the fifth starter on this year's team. Not denigration, just my analysis of what this team needs this year.
 

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This harping on and denigrating of Ms. Gabby's BB potential may just be the biggest bone-headed analysis
in the history of the 'Yard.

Olympic-class athletes tend to transfer skills very neatly from one discipline to another...just watch.

I don't think it is going on at all. How can Gabby be less than respected for what she did last year and I agree that if she has found the catch up talents she will be an absolute "high caliber semi-automatic" destroyer amongst the UConn arsenal of weapons. Some of us remember last preseason with Geno on Saniya ... so we just want to wait and see and also logically surmise that there is a "bird in the hand" in KLS at the 3 if there is a question.
 
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she forced the defense to put at least one person on her 20 feet away from the basket creating a lot more space for everyone else.

I agree and that is the reason I think that Samuelson is going to be the fifth starter. Not only will KLS help spread the floor and give the Huskies another bona-fide sharpshooter from the outside, she will also provide help on the boards at 6'3.
 

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If Chong starts that's a 3-guard lineup and it's unlikely Geno will want that. Think you can nix that as an option. For other reasons I kinda doubt Williams will get it either. I'm still leaning towards Collier or KLS.
 

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If Chong starts that's a 3-guard lineup and it's unlikely Geno will want that. Think you can nix that as an option. For other reasons I kinda doubt Williams will get it either. I'm still leaning towards Collier or KLS.

Agreed. Now he will confound us all by putting Courtney out there!
 
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As if...:rolleyes:


You funny.
I knew that since the Pope Canonized (using a small ball) him, someone would doubt his fallibility. But I have it on very reliable, political, sources that Geno is, without a doubt, human. Believe it or leave it.
 
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Agreed. Now he will confound us all by putting Courtney out there!
Since I know nothing of Courtneys summer successes or failure --I only make this ASSUMPTION, Courtney has good size. In photo's she looks about KLS's size. By stats she's 6 1 KLS 6 3--but guide books have a tendency to not tell the truth. In Moriah's first year she was listed at 7 ft 6 inches--which is just a bit off--of course it may be true I haven't seen her in person.
 
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Auriemma hardly needs an apologist in his corner to protect his legacy or stroke his ego. But I've told many that I do love numbers. So here are a few to chew on. In his first 8 seasons Geno amassed a decent record with an average of just over 20 wins and and just under 10 losses per year. So often you will hear a coach or school having their successes measured by 20 win seasons. Now with the last 22 years under Geno the numbers are scarier than Nightmare on Eagleville Rd. 756 - 56, over 34 wins and barely 2.5 losses. 93% win percent. So when this coach makes some decisions about who is riding point or pine I'm giving him the benefit. Mistakes don't happen much.
You nailed the truth of things that give me, in off years, a hissy pitt. Geno, in an "off year" win's only 31 games. Every time I read the "whoe is us", "what has happened to Geno" or "Muffet has his number (pundits folly)" ---i think of the 340 or more Div 1 coaches who are getting big raises because they won 20 games (a winning season) that year. 359 of the 360 Div one coaches would love to have Geno's "off" year record..
 

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I just read an article about the Boston Celtics and the author broke down the roster thus: ball handlers; wings: swings; and bigs. Let me give it a try for our Huskies:
Ball-Handlers: Jefferson, Nurse, Chong, Ekmark, Polido
Wings: Samuelson, Stewie
Swings: Collier, Williams, Boykin, Tierney
Bigs: Butler, Tuck​

The "Swings" may play "Big" or "Wing."

No rule against KLS and Stewie playing at the same time. Or Morgan and Natalie.

Worth a thought, especially for an observer like me who has never liked the rigid 1, 2, 3, 4, and 5 designations.:cool:
 
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Hey HoopsFan - Agree that Chong is in the same time zone as Mo on quickness. Chong also has a better outside shot than Gabby. Chong also has a sneaky quick drive to hoop at times too. However, I just read another article this week (on top of many articles this season and last season, and the season before) that defense is a PRIORITY. Remember, Chong started last year because of her offensive skills (and dedicated practice), but was quickly pulled because of her defense. *If your opponent can't score, they can't win! Hey look, that one player is being picked on because she can't stop their opponent. Let's feed the ball to that area.
A positive issue is what area of the court Gabby will be playing. Defensively she could play the 3 or wing area. With her size, jumping ability, and quickness she could handle any top scorer. (Remember, wing is usually a high scoring and leading scoring position.) Gabby was a top defender last year. Rebounding is another important factor. Gabby could crash the boards both offensively (and use her 65% shooting to put it back in) or defensively rebound and start the fast break using her AA track skills. And let's say--Oh Well, she doesn't have a great outside shot. Give me all her pluses and I will accept the lack of an outside shot.
Believe me, I like Chong a lot. I think she has the potential to be a very, very good player. However, her defense and her overall consistency has to improve if she wants to start.
I don't have to defend Chong--we will see what we shall see==I wasn't aware of her "Moriah like quickness" (quote are make it stand out not quoting). Every thing about both ladies is predicated upon how they have improved. Chong is not stupid, she must have spent the year working on DEFENSE. Size and Jumping ability there is little she can do there. Chong must have been in glory with Geno praising her last year--only to have the bubble burst after one game. If Gabby, has improved on DEFENSE, long ball shooting, (say may because only Geno will make that call -) Gabby MAY get the nod to be 6 or even 5 in some games. But my belief (Defense depending) maybe hope is Collier at 6th woman.
In terms of "why Chong was pulled from the starting line up" last year. She was pulled after the Stanford game. Geno could have pulled 7 players for lack of defense . Stanford was playing with Mercury at their ankles and above their abilities. Bonnie, KLS's sister, stopped KLM better than pretty near anyone. And hit a couple of 3 too. It's a shame that maybe Chong's career may have the Stanford game hanging over her head. Again we shall see.
 
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I just read an article about the Boston Celtics and the author broke down the roster thus: ball handlers; wings: swings; and bigs. Let me give it a try for our Huskies:
Ball-Handlers: Jefferson, Nurse, Chong, Ekmark, Polido
Wings: Samuelson, Stewie
Swings: Collier, Williams, Boykin, Tierney
Bigs: Butler, Tuck​

The "Swings" may play "Big" or "Wing."

No rule against KLS and Stewie playing at the same time. Or Morgan and Natalie.

Worth a thought, especially for an observer like me who has never liked the rigid 1, 2, 3, 4, and 5 designations.:cool:
I like that the possibilities using this definition--appears to be unlimited depending upon the quality of the opponent.
 
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This harping on and denigrating of Ms. Gabby's BB potential may just be the biggest bone-headed analysis
in the history of the 'Yard.

Olympic-class athletes tend to transfer skills very neatly from one discipline to another...just watch.
I think you have missed entirely the opinions expressed about Gabby and where she is or may be going forward. The reality of what she did last year was a solid inside game, she rebounded very well and shot fantastically from the lane or nearby. That in no way is harping or denigrating when making note of it. Husky fans would love to see her blossom as a 12-17 foot dependable shooter. What she did last year as a freshman in moving from her more natural position to playing "big" was awesome. That track background in fact did transfer quite nicely. But positioning and her ability to go high for rebounds is what she brought. A shooting touch from mid range is yet to appear. That is not to say she can't or won't develop that skill. We'll find out as the season progresses.
 

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Let me give it a try for our Huskies:
Ball-Handlers: Jefferson, Nurse, Chong, Ekmark, Polido
Wings: Samuelson, Stewie
Swings: Collier, Williams, Boykin, Tierney
Bigs: Butler, Tuck​

I suggested this earlier. Standard lineup would comprise two ball-handlers, and one each wing, swing, and big. Should coach want to add one to any category, subtract somewhere else. Let's try it. First, go big:
2 ball-handlers
1 swing
2 bigs​

Or go up-tempo:
3 ball-handlers
1 wing
1 swing​

The possibilities are endless, and much easier (at least for me) than the more rigid 1, 2, 3, 4 and 5 slots.
 

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Even Hall of Fame head coach Geno Auriemma isn’t quite sure who the fifth starter will be. Following a practice on Thursday he threw out the names of sophomore Gabby Williams as well as freshmen Napheesa Collier and Katie Lou Samuelson.

While Auriemma would like Chong to have a key role as a junior and wants her to be a consistent performer and not just one that puts on an occasional offensive showcase, her lack of size as well as the Huskies other top reserves all capable of seeing time in the front court could result in Chong coming off the bench as she did 36 times a season ago.


“That is one area where you do want a guard coming the bench,” Auriemma said. “Then we are really small (if Chong starts). We have tried it and we have kind of experimented with everything.”


http://www.nhregister.com/sports/20...-role-undefined-heading-into-preseason-opener
 
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