My take on Katie Lou

[Buzzyboy]

OK - I think I got this now. Augustus and Whalen are much Greater WNBA players than Bird and DT because they have three rings and Bird and DT only have two. And of course Tina is just an average center since she has no rings.

I appreciate this post. How is it possible that championships can somehow be the only criteria for judging how good (or great) someone is. There have been numerous extraordinary athletes who have never had the opportunity to win team championships through no fault of their own and their performances and others who have multiple championships that weren't nearly as accomplished! To suggest as such is a bit outrageous, I feel! Ted Williams sucks, I guess as does Ernie Banks and maybe a few other Hall of Famers. People who judge performers predominately by their championships can potentially include people who in some cases are not worthy and dismiss others who far exceed some who've won multiple times. I agree it happens but I and many others regard it as nonsense.

 

[j66kicker]

I appreciate this post. How is it possible that championships can somehow be the only criteria for judging how good (or great) someone is. There have been numerous extraordinary athletes who have never had the opportunity to win team championships through no fault of their own and their performances and others who have multiple championships that weren't nearly as accomplished! To suggest as such is a bit outrageous, I feel! Ted Williams sucks, I guess as does Ernie Banks and maybe a few other Hall of Famers. People who judge performers predominately by their championships can potentially include people who in some cases are not worthy and dismiss others who far exceed some who've won multiple times. I agree it happens but I and many others regard it as nonsense.

Sorry - It don't mean a thing if you ain't got that ring

http://img.bleacherreport.net/img/s...d-series-ring_crop_north.jpg?w=492&h=420&q=75

Ted Williams and Dan Marino didn't suck, but who cares?

 

[Phillyconn]

I appreciate this post. How is it possible that championships can somehow be the only criteria for judging how good (or great) someone is. There have been numerous extraordinary athletes who have never had the opportunity to win team championships through no fault of their own and their performances and others who have multiple championships that weren't nearly as accomplished! To suggest as such is a bit outrageous, I feel! Ted Williams sucks, I guess as does Ernie Banks and maybe a few other Hall of Famers. People who judge performers predominately by their championships can potentially include people who in some cases are not worthy and dismiss others who far exceed some who've won multiple times. I agree it happens but I and many others regard it as nonsense.

Great performers are judged predominately by their championships. Nobody, remembers losers. Win a championship, as a great player, and you will never be forgotten. Win multiple championships, as a great player, and become a legend.

I am a Flyer's fan. Being a Flyer's fan, I can remember when the Flyers lost to Wayne Gretzky and the Edmonton Oilers, in seven games. Nobody remembers that gritty Flyers team, that took the greatest NHL team of all time, to game seven. Nobody, remembers that Ron Hextall, was MVP, on the losing team. Nobody, but heartbroken Flyers fans.
But, rightly so, because, we lost. Like it or not, nobody remembers the losers. Like it or not, greatness is measured predominantely by championships. Rightly so.

 

[UcMiami]

Great performers are judged predominately by their championships. Nobody, remembers losers. Win a championship, as a great player, and you will never be forgotten. Win multiple championships, as a great player, and become a legend.

I am a Flyer's fan. Being a Flyer's fan, I can remember when the Flyers lost to Wayne Gretzky and the Edmonton Oilers, in seven games. Nobody remembers that gritty Flyers team, that took the greatest NHL team of all time, to game seven. Nobody, remembers that Ron Hextall, was MVP, on the losing team. Nobody, but heartbroken Flyers fans.
But, rightly so, because, we lost. Like it or not, nobody remembers the losers. Like it or not, greatness is measured predominantely by championships. Rightly so.

For teams - absolutely. The team with the most wins in a season in NFL history is the NE Patriots, but they lost the SB so unless you are doing a statistical analysis they aren't in the conversation for best.
For individual accolades in team sports I don't buy it - best hitter in baseball - there are a number of candidates, but no discussion is complete without Ted Williams whose teams never won anything. If YOU want to make championships a criteria fine, but there is a debate - and does one championship suffice, or is it number of championships so 3 is better than 2.
And on Dan Marino - talk to most Dolphin fans and they probably place him above Griese as the best Dolphin QB ever, but Griese has the rings

 

[Siestakeyfan]

Most of the girls that come out of high school and into college,are like deer in the headlights,and seldom does a coach give praise and make statements towards their playing time.Yet,Geno has said both Lou and Collier will be playing a lot,and are learning and adjusting fast.
This is a big deal,and since coach doesn't usually sugar coat anything,I am pretty confident,in saying,that we have two very special young ladies,here,who are going to excel rather quickly.
If I recall,the last girls that Geno gave high praise to,coming out of high school and into the program,were Stewie,Moriah,and Morgan,and,since they turned out pretty good,I will bet his judgment will be spot on again.

A REALLY Excellent post !!!

 

[RockyMTblue2]

Stewie was going to be great no matter where she went... Geno had nothing to do with her superstar status (according to some)

There are time when you are just too subtle and the emoticon doesn't finish it. Just say, let's get Stewie out of the argument and deal with run of the mill great players!

 

[RockyMTblue2]

Nurse, Tuck, and Stewart will also be hitting threes.

Not like KLS I suspect. I suspect this is oh so repetitive, 'cuz I posted without reading the whole thread (and now I'm afraid to look).

 

[RockyMTblue2]

Ted Williams and Dan Marino didn't suck, but who cares?

Who? Ah, the car dealer and the guy in the commercials no one knows these days - I think the most frequent one is for Rayban Pants?

PS. It's a joke folks. Just going with the flow. But I suspect the same folk who say I dunno to Marino know who Joe Namath was/is - and it's not because he got drunk and made a pass at the ESPN sideline reporter, though that stuff tends to stay around like dog poo on your shoe!

 

[Huskies Rule]

I think Geno has probably made her work harder to be the player she could be than most any other coach may have. She's always strived to be great and had a great work ethic but Geno has surely pushed even her own expectations, never being satisfied with anything but excellence! I think that demand has spurred her to a level that I'm not sure even she thought she would have attained. That in fact is why she chose Geno and Storrs as her landing place amongst all the offers she had.

I completely agree, Buzzy. It is hard to imagine another coach pushing as relentlessly as Geno pushes his kids, both physically and psychologically, particularly those he believes have greatness within them, like Stewie.
Two moments in The Geno Auriemma Project come to mind:

- Prior to last year's Texas game, Geno literally called Stewie out, in front of the entire team saying," Remember your freshman year? Stewie was the most valuable
player for Baylor her freshman year." A very unamused Stewie responded with a monster game (31 pts, 12 reb, 7 assists, 3 blocks, 2 steals).

- After a Stewie defensive lapse at practice, Geno shouted," You get beat all the time on that. Damn, Stewie!" He was all over her, most every practice.
Stewie's mature, wise response: "Coach motivates me in a way that is different than everyone else on the team. I think that he's always on me. He's always, you know,
you're the worst player, you suck, that kind of thing. When I hear that, it's like it just makes me so annoyed, so mad. It makes me want to play better, do better, that
kind of thing. It's something I've come to expect from him, even though I don't want to hear it, but he's trying to motivate me to be the best player I can be."

Man, has it ever worked. One tough coach. One great kid.

 

[Phillyconn]

For teams - absolutely. The team with the most wins in a season in NFL history is the NE Patriots, but they lost the SB so unless you are doing a statistical analysis they aren't in the conversation for best.
For individual accolades in team sports I don't buy it - best hitter in baseball - there are a number of candidates, but no discussion is complete without Ted Williams whose teams never won anything. If YOU want to make championships a criteria fine, but there is a debate - and does one championship suffice, or is it number of championships so 3 is better than 2.
And on Dan Marino - talk to most Dolphin fans and they probably place him above Griese as the best Dolphin QB ever, but Griese has the rings

Ted Williams was before my time. I've heard that he was the last to bat 400. In a season. Great player, but I've heard more about the Yankee clipper or the great Mickey Mantle. Why because they won championships. Look at Big Papi? The way he almost, single handedly, beat the yanks, then won the WS. No, amount of batting titles can replace that. I'm not even a Red Sox fan but I had to tip my hat.
Great players, on the biggest stage, leading their teams, to victory, is the stuff legends are made of. So, you can have great players, but if they haven't won a title, they're usually not in the conversation, as the greatest ever.